Ruttman Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 (edited) Hi all, I’ve linked below pictures of my most recent armour completion, a 1/35 Rye Field Models Challenger 2 in Berlin brigade camouflage. I decided to keep weathering to a minimum as such a scheme has never been used in battle so could never get too dirty. Any critique would be welcome. I haven’t done many armour models so there’s still a lot of room for improvement. Thanks Luke Edited August 20, 2021 by Ruttman 30 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ade H Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 (edited) You have a good grasp of fine dust on skirts. Perhaps you could expand a bit about your method. Can I make a constructive suggestion though? My second thought was that there seems to be some unweathered upper surfaces which look stark and monochromatic. I have had this problem myself, when I wanted to strike the right note with parts which needed to look comparatively clean, and ending up foregoing them because I wasn't sure how to tackle them subtly. It was only photographing my models which revealed things which I hadn't seen or considered. I always remind myself that there is almost no such thing as a completely clean surface on a used vehicle. Edited August 20, 2021 by Ade H 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan-o Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 Nice job👍And to take on that colour scheme without to much experience well done🤗 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robgizlu Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 Nicely done Rob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullbasket Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 23 hours ago, Ruttman said: Any critique would be welcome. I haven’t done many armour models so there’s still a lot of room for improvement. Well, if you're a novice AFV modeller, you've done a good job on this, as the Berlin scheme isn't easy to do. As for room for improvement, that applies to even the best of us. We're always learning. John. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modelling Padre Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 Hi Luke, Great job on this model. I have this on my shelf un-built, in your experience how does go together? Cheers Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruttman Posted August 24, 2021 Author Share Posted August 24, 2021 (edited) On 20/08/2021 at 14:17, Ade H said: You have a good grasp of fine dust on skirts. Perhaps you could expand a bit about your method. Can I make a constructive suggestion though? My second thought was that there seems to be some unweathered upper surfaces which look stark and monochromatic. I have had this problem myself, when I wanted to strike the right note with parts which needed to look comparatively clean, and ending up foregoing them because I wasn't sure how to tackle them subtly. It was only photographing my models which revealed things which I hadn't seen or considered. I always remind myself that there is almost no such thing as a completely clean surface on a used vehicle. Thanks, I’d have to agree with your recommendation for the upper surfaces. How would you recommend making it more dirty? It has to be quite subtle as this scheme has never been used in war and so won’t ever have been left long enough uncleaned for too much grime to accumulate. Edited August 24, 2021 by Ruttman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruttman Posted August 24, 2021 Author Share Posted August 24, 2021 On 21/08/2021 at 12:09, ivan-o said: Nice job👍And to take on that colour scheme without to much experience well done🤗 Thank you. I’ve built quite a few aircraft so I have decent experience with painting and masking; it’s the heavier weathering on the lower hull and side skirts of tanks which I tend to struggle with on armour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ade H Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 (edited) If we were talking about a model which was not yet painted, I would have recommended beginning with intershading to vary each camo colour. This bakes in some of the most subtle effects of weathering and makes every post-painting task easier because you're not having to fight with a monochrome surface. But after painting, even on a completely finished model, you can use OPR (oil paint rendering). Then your effects can be as subtle and as finely targeted as you need. As you have not made very many AFVs, I appreciate that you may not be sure how to do that, so my recommendation is to watch some of Mike Rinaldi's YT videos, (search YT for Rinaldi Studio Press). If you also want some tips from me, I'm happy to help, although it may get a bit long and boring! 😉 Edited August 24, 2021 by Ade H typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 Fine looking Challenger and this has inspired me to try one in this scheme as a future build. Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milan Mynar Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 Great paintwork and building. This camo looks very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmerit Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 Nice job. A couple of minor comments just for anyone else doing a build. You've painted the rubber pad on the engine deck grey/blue and it should be rubber. It's called a 'resilient rail' and is made from rubber - it's designed to reduce the shock if the barrel is depressed to the limit stops when over the back decks. Other little one is the fire extinguishers. They either need to be black if you have covers on them, or red if the extinguishers are exposed. You've also got the commanders primary sight facing back to front! Thats the box in top of the turret in front of the cupola. You need to turn it around!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertie McBoatface Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 I didn't know the Berlin camo was in service for that long. Learn something here every time. It looks fine to me. On the subject of the upper structure weathering, have you considered modulating the big flat spaces with oils? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ade H Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 (edited) @Bertie Psmith That's kind of what I was on about yesterday (unless you're suggesting tone mapping filters). I think it helps a lot with these finishes. Edited August 25, 2021 by Ade H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dov Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 Telll me: Which time perode was it actually? I have no idea, not my time. On WW2 mostly. Or IDF. Wonderful done. Happy modelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilspen Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 Lovely finish of a tricky scheme. One to be proud of, considering you have not done much armour. Cheers Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmerit Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 (edited) On 8/26/2021 at 7:01 PM, dov said: Telll me: Which time perode was it actually? I have no idea, not my time. On WW2 mostly. Or IDF. Wonderful done. Happy modelling On 8/25/2021 at 1:44 PM, Bertie Psmith said: I didn't know the Berlin camo was in service for that long. Learn something here every time. It looks fine to me. On the subject of the upper structure weathering, have you considered modulating the big flat spaces with oils? It wasnt. Ajax Squadron of 1RTR are experimenting with disruptive patterns and re did the Berlin scheme recently. The scheme dates from the Cold war era (for you youngsters). Not sure of they still have their Challys painted in it, or of they have gone back to good old green. As far as I am aware, the only MBTs done in the Berlin scheme were Mk10 Chiefys located in......... Berlin of course, so I'm guessing that was around 1976/77 ish. Not sure when the Mk11s came into service off the top of my head. The first Mk10 painted in the Berlin scheme was done as a bit of an experiment and the CO thought it rather effective, so they did all of the urban located Chiefys in the scheme. The Tankies hated it apparently but got to quite like it after a while. I'm sure someone will come along and fill in the details and make some minor corrections to my scribblings, but that's broadly the facts. Edited September 11, 2021 by simmerit correction to typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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