Alan Carr Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 (edited) I have started the Airfix 1/48 Hawker Hurricane MK 1 and I’m rather confused as to the internal colours Airfix show quite a bit of aluminium and some interior green, but when I google Hurricane interiors green seems more predominant. I thought I would do LE T flown by Sub Lt Richard Exxon Jimmy Gardner in August 1940. Like all these subjects when did the change happen that dictated a change of the interior colours? Any help would be appreciated, and I’m sorry for digging out an old sore Best wishes Alan Edited July 21, 2021 by Alan Carr Title misleading and ambiguous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tango98 Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 (edited) Alan, From the relevant Hurricane Mk I 'protective finishes' documents: Cockpit interior - grey green Tubular framework within cockpit - aluminium Pilot seat - aluminium Rudder pedal heel boards - black or plain aluminium These interior colours remained in effect for all UK built Hurricanes until PZ865, the last Hurricane built (a IIc) Also, wheel wells - aluminium HTH Cheers Dave Edited July 17, 2021 by tango98 added information 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selwyn Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 19 minutes ago, Alan Carr said: I have started the Airfix 1/48 Hawker Hurricane MK 1 and I’m rather confused as to the internal colours Airfix show quite a bit of aluminium and some interior green, but when I google Hurricane interiors green seems more predominant. I thought I would do LE T flown by Sub Lt Richard Exxon Jimmy Gardner in August 1940. Like all these subjects when did the change happen that dictated a change of the interior colours? Any help would be appreciated, and I’m sorry for digging out an old sore Best wishes Alan https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234967761-airfix-hurricane-interior-colour-confusion/ https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234954200-early-hurricane-cockpit-colours-as-per-airfix-instruction/ https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/52968-hurricane-mk1-cockpit-colour/ Selwyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerbob Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 @Troy Smith anything to add- besides admonishing on the vague title? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 On 17/07/2021 at 17:30, Alan Carr said: I thought I would do LE T flown by Sub Lt Richard Exxon Jimmy Gardner in August 1940. Hmm.... well, regarding interiors, what Dave posted is correct for the era you are asking about. IIRC there is debate about what plane(s) were flown By Sub Lt Gardner, If this means this LE-T , V7203 Then you can't make it (accurately) from the Airfix kit..... it is one of the 50 built in the summer of 1940 with fabric wings. see https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235005804-hurricane-p3886-uniqe-fabric-wing/page/2/&tab=comments#elControls_3737491_menu The whole thread is worth a read, and this info was first made available here, and is not 'in the books' , as is a sizeable amount of Hurricane detail information. For info on what Sub Lt Gardner may have flown, and if it is, or is not the above, I'd suggest @Grey Beema and @tonyot will be the chaps to ask, @iang maybe know as well. Regarding interior colours, in more depth. Very early Hurricanes show a mid grey tone in B/W photos, including the wheel well, so interior grey green. This seems to have switched during the L**** series production, (first batch built) and early in this run, as all the clear wreck photos in France show the following, This was then switched to the all interior parts in aluminium paint except the upper cockpit side walls and rear bulkhead. This includes wheel wells, and the wooden interior parts of the fuselage, though fabric was not painted internally. Later on, as best I can determine the 8th Hawker built batch, Serials KW/KZ on, the internals switch to all grey green (there is debate on the rear fuselage tubing) but images of a KX Hurricane IId cockpit, production line photos and a painting by war artist show the switch, with wheel wells and inside of UC doors in underside colour. This is a summary, really needs rewriting, and other images collating. https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234963507-all-the-hurricane-questions-you-want-to-ask-here/page/2/#elControls_1682406_menu Ohm seems the 300 made by Austin Motors were also all grey green internally, as there is film of them being made. Nearly of these went direct to Russia, so not relevant to your question. Now I can hear your groans HTH T PS yon change the title of your thread using the edit facility, look for the dots in the top right of your post. This is what you are asking, and is the place to ask the basic question, in this case "Hurricane internal colours in 1940" 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Beema Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 (edited) I have some information here but I need my other online source (ORB is on another device) to confirm some information.. Gardner’s claims were 10.07.40 He111 Destroyed - Hawker Hurricane Y3485 @Troy Smith is that a real serial or have I transcribed it wrong (I’ll look at the ORB tomorrow). 21.08.40. Do17 Destroyed, Do17 Shared Destroyed - Hawker Hurricane P2884/LE°V 18.09.40 2 x Do17 Destroyed, Do17 Damaged - V6578. So which was the Aircraft with the England Expects Signal? I got the answer 03/10/2015 from @tonywalton see page two of the thread below.. Did Gardner fly LE°T? Yes but his regular aircraft was LE°V.. OTU Course No7 (Naval) My interpretation of P2884/LE°V If you need more I can look tomorrow.. Hope this helps... Edited July 20, 2021 by Grey Beema 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, Grey Beema said: Hawker Hurricane Y3485 @Troy Smith is that a real serial or have I transcribed it wrong No Hurricane serial begins with Y P3485 is listed in Air Britain as with 242, Hawker built, date 14 May 40 (assume this is completion/delivery date) Nothing else 'fits' Great info on the other planes. @Alan Carr I presume you are using the Xtradecal sheet? https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/X48146 see also http://www.ascalecanadian.com/2015/11/fleet-air-arm-pilots-in-battle-of.html from @airjiml2 "Modeler's Note: Xtradecal has recently issued a decal sheet in both 1/72 and 1/48 scale which includes aircraft flown by Gardner and Cork. Sadly, there are some issues with the depiction of Gardner’s aircraft as they have included no serial number, the aircraft is incorrectly marked as LE-T, and they’ve included a spurious flag signal for the right side of the Hurricane. (LE-T was Hurricane V7203 in which Canadian Pilot Office Joseph Latta went missing on January 1941.) Dickie Cork’s P2831 LE-K is much more accurate and carries a RN style crown painted under the cockpit." and "Gardner painted Nelson’s Trafalgar "England Expects" signal on the side of his Hurricane." " "The left side of Jimmy Gardner’s 242 Squadron Hurricane was painted with Nelson’s "England Expects" signal from the Battle of Trafalger. It is believed that the Hurricane which carried this art was P2884 LE-V. Gardner flew LE-V most often with 242 Squadron." You could do LE-V with a added V and the right serial. HTH T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 I suspect the logbook entry is aircraft letter Y, aircraft serial with the first letter not given. I've seen this in several cases, not least Cork when he was with 242. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Beema Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 Just for completeness.. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Beema Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 I have had a look at the aircraft the RE Gardner flew in July & Aug ‘40 Information source – 242 Records of Events. See below. I think Graham was right - some were annotated with the Aircraft letter as a suffix to the Serial number. Anyway this is what he flew.. Date Serial Aircraft Letter (?) 10-Jul 3485 Y 12-Jul 3089 R 13-Jul 3089 R 13-Jul 3089 R 19-Jul 3054 N 20-Jul 3054 N 21-Jul 3884 U 21-Jul 3884 U 22-Jul P3218 23-Jul 7203 T 29-Jul 3087 Q 29-Jul 3087 Q 01-Aug P2884 V 02-Aug P2804 02-Aug P3087 05-Aug P2884 V 07-Aug P2884 V 08-Aug P2884 V 09-Aug P2884 V 11-Aug P3090 11-Aug P2967 11-Aug P2967 13-Aug L1981 (L)? 14-Aug P3090 15-Aug P3090 16-Aug P3090 16-Aug P3485 17-Aug P2967 18-Aug N3814 19-Aug P2967 19-Aug P2967 20-Aug P2884 V 21-Aug P2884 V 21-Aug P2884 V 28-Aug P2884 V 28-Aug P2884 V 30-Aug P2884 V 30-Aug P2884 V 31-Aug P2884 V 31-Aug P2884 V 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Carr Posted July 21, 2021 Author Share Posted July 21, 2021 What can I say fellow Britmodellers you are all the best, I’d love to buy you all a beer, so although the decal sheet does not mention a serial number for Garners A/C it transpired that V7203 was flown by him but P2884 LE K was the more usual plane. It’s back to the drawing board for me now, I’m currently fighting with the cockpit which is my ham fisted model making, a cat’s cradle of tubing defying me all the way Thank you isn’t enough but Thank you 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Beema Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 6 hours ago, Alan Carr said: What can I say fellow Britmodellers you are all the best, I’d love to buy you all a beer, so although the decal sheet does not mention a serial number for Garners A/C it transpired that V7203 was flown by him but P2884 LE K was the more usual plane. It’s back to the drawing board for me now, I’m currently fighting with the cockpit which is my ham fisted model making, a cat’s cradle of tubing defying me all the way Thank you isn’t enough but Thank you LE°V Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Carr Posted July 25, 2021 Author Share Posted July 25, 2021 As a P.S. to my post regarding the interior of the Hawker Hurricane in 1/48, I was wondering what make of seat belts would be recommended for it Thank you Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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