Robert Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 (edited) A new aircraft from Sukhoi will be revealed at MAKS 2021. There are pictures showing a single engine twin tailed aircraft covered with a tarp being wheeled around https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/uac-checkmate.37538/page-3 Regards Robert Edited July 19, 2021 by Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman2 Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 The Russian curiosity Net Photos 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiampieroSilvestri Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 (edited) That could be the Mig-41. Saluti Giampiero Edited July 16, 2021 by GiampieroSilvestri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 Air combat is going to be very tricky with all the combatants looking the same these days. That could be an F-35 under that tarp 4 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 looks a lot like a F-35-"inspired" aircraft... Alex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davecov Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 13 minutes ago, GiampieroSilvestri said: Could that be the south korean KAI KF-21? Saluti Giampiero The KAI KF-21 is twin-engined. Russian Tarpaulin-Jet is single-engined. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 29 minutes ago, alex said: looks a lot like a F-35-"inspired" aircraft... That's the thing. Optimum radar-reduction is the same no matter what computer or design bureau it runs at. It's the same reason all modern cars look a bit alike. Aerodynamics I suppose it's really just a choice of engines, crew number and whether you want low-observable from all angles like the F-35, or just while you're flying into the attack like the Su-57 Felon. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman2 Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 Another view of the Russian curiosity Net Photo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 Rather interesting times! If everybody flies stealth jets... Will it be down to dogfights again? The Chinese J-31 also looks the same, but twin engined. It is even the same black as this cover https://www.popsci.com/uploads/2019/03/18/65MWL5ZXSISOQ5W3CWRINRRY5A-1024x683.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 You punch the same parameters into a computer and you get the same result.... Trevor 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 38 minutes ago, Max Headroom said: You punch the same parameters into a computer and you get the same result.... So you mean computers are right? Or you mean that those ARE the same calculations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B (Sc) Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 24 minutes ago, exdraken said: o you mean computers are right? Or you mean that those ARE the same calculations? I think the snag is that if you make similar compromise assumptions, the most believable or acceptable answers will look similar , at least to anyone who is part of a committee. Old style designers were more apt to go with their gut feel or their personal idiosyncratic engineering preferences. There used to be a saying about IT kit - " no-one got fired for buying IBM". In this case, if everyone else is producing shapes like this, that reassures the doubters. A radical departure may be seen as more risky. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnT Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 And I thought BVR tactics were down to advanced radar, missiles and systems.Now I realise that the major possible combatants have a protocol that as their aircraft are so ugly they will engage out of sight of the other More seriously I reckon the guys are right in that when you design for the same problem you get the same shapes/ solutions. Of course a highly active government agency specialising in industrial espionage helps 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman2 Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 The Russian curiosity Net Photo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nachtwulf Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 looks like a single engine YF-23 to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 You remember the MiG-1.42? From the side the silhouette looks similar as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman2 Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 The Russian curiosity sketch Net Photo 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredag Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 21 hours ago, magman2 said: The Russian curiosity Net Photos Paint looks a bit wrinkly...;) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewolf Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 19 hours ago, alex said: looks a lot like a F-35-"inspired" aircraft... Alex A Russian near copy built using data stolen from Lockheed Martin perhaps? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 Well at least it doesn't have turquoise wheels 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenko Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 Not one that you do a collection of models of because of the markings. Teleport me back to the sixties and seventies please it was colourful then. Dick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomBigStu Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 20 hours ago, Mike said: That's the thing. Optimum radar-reduction is the same no matter what computer or design bureau it runs at. It's the same reason all modern cars look a bit alike. Aerodynamics I suppose it's really just a choice of engines, crew number and whether you want low-observable from all angles like the F-35, or just while you're flying into the attack like the Su-57 Felon. That and safety (both passenger and pedestrian) regulations don’t leave much wiggle room for the designer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazontipede Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Whitewolf said: A Russian near copy built using data stolen from Lockheed Martin perhaps? Well if one discounts the lack of horizontal stabilisers, the sharply canted vertical stabs and the rather unusual Angel-Interceptor wrap around intake plus various sundry other details... I'm afraid I'm not seeing, just like an F-35. To me it looks more like they've been having a peek at some of Gerry Anderson's designs and adapting them for stealth... I admit I'm not convinced by a couple of details of the otherwise interesting drawings. I can see no evidence for the intakes at the roots of the taileron/stabilator or whatever you want to call those tail fins under the tarps. The main wrap around intake is also perhaps a bit speculative. It'll certainly be an interesting reveal! Edited July 17, 2021 by Gazontipede cannot spell... :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr T Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 Looks a bit like a cross between the F35 and the YF32. I wonder if they are looking for something a bit cheaper than the Su57 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewolf Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 14 minutes ago, Mr T said: Looks a bit like a cross between the F35 and the YF32. I wonder if they are looking for something a bit cheaper than the Su57 Thats a pretty good description. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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