trickyrich Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 I'm loving the work you're doing on this build, the detailing work is great. I do agree about the main wheel well, it really can't be seen that well, unless you're REALLY trying! Plus it's prob not worth all the hassle (or cost in my case, I've gone with the kit one) to fit one. Just a few extra detail bits are all you need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pappy Posted July 5, 2021 Author Share Posted July 5, 2021 1 hour ago, trickyrich said: I'm loving the work you're doing on this build, the detailing work is great. I do agree about the main wheel well, it really can't be seen that well, unless you're REALLY trying! Plus it's prob not worth all the hassle (or cost in my case, I've gone with the kit one) to fit one. Just a few extra detail bits are all you need. Cheers Rich, There is deffo a law of diminishing returns especially wrt u/c bays. If you have a load of ordnance hanging off the jet it is even harder to see into the bays and the mass of struts and hydraulic actuators does a good job of obscuring the details so I will just add a little wiring and perhaps the Hyd res tank and elec battery as these are quite prominent. I have used resin u/c bays before and they can come up really nice but I always worry about the effect of the alignment as OOB the kit alignment is already set to a large degree. Once you cut out the u/c bay you must pay close attention to avoid a lop-sided stance which would off-set all that lovely detail and ruin the look, cheers, Pappy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pappy Posted July 6, 2021 Author Share Posted July 6, 2021 G'day people, I had a few mins before dinner tonight (I won't bore everyone with pics of that) so I decided to make the Hyd resevoir using some bits of sprue and wire And a dry fit Next up the battery was provided as PE, this was assembled cheers, Pappy 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 Hi Pappy, I'm enjoying your updates and seeing your progress on this build. Having seen your Thai Viper recently, I know how well you can wrangle the Hasegawa kit into a wonderful outcome! Thanks for sharing your improvements and techniques. Andrew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pappy Posted July 8, 2021 Author Share Posted July 8, 2021 4 hours ago, Andrew said: Hi Pappy, I'm enjoying your updates and seeing your progress on this build. Having seen your Thai Viper recently, I know how well you can wrangle the Hasegawa kit into a wonderful outcome! Thanks for sharing your improvements and techniques. Andrew. G'day Andrew, Thanks very much, I have learnt heaps from this and other sites over the years, happy to hear that people like what I am doing, cheers, Pappy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pappy Posted July 11, 2021 Author Share Posted July 11, 2021 (edited) G'day people, I started busying up the MLG bays. I am not going for an exact replica but this is a complex area so it needs a little more than the blank canvas that Has provides. I started by cheating a little. Tamiya/Kinetic provide four separate hydraulic thingies which add greatly to the '3Dness' of this area. I cast a resin copy of these parts and then added these to the bay in the corresponding positions. Then is was time to break out the solder, It is starting to get these but it could stand to have a bit more added but I will also need to leave some space to allow the battery and hyd resevoir installation The NLG bay is still untouched I was going to add a Sniper XR pod but changed my mind and so I needed to remediate the area after removing the adapter which seems to have come up well. I also rewarded myself by painting up the seat, I opted to use the kit seat with some PE belts. Apart from the early pre-production aircraft, the F-16 has been fitted with the ACES II seat, however at some point, like the jet, this set has also undergone upgrades. I have modified the seat to resemble the seat installed to HAF BLK 50s. I will add the seat pan and MOR firing handles just before I install the seat as these delicate items tend to get knocked off and lost during handling cheers, Pappy Edited July 11, 2021 by Pappy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickyrich Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 that all looks great Pappy, really nice detailing work on the main U/c bay....... I really should do something more with mine... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pappy Posted July 11, 2021 Author Share Posted July 11, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, trickyrich said: that all looks great Pappy, really nice detailing work on the main U/c bay....... I really should do something more with mine... Wot, you mean you don' t have the aftermarket U/C bays already ? Edited July 11, 2021 by Pappy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickyrich Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, Pappy said: Wot, you mean youdonjt have the aftermarket U/C bays already ? nup...not at the cost they were, close to $80 Oz!!! Plus I'd already spent a lot on her...... I'm actually trying not to think how much !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pappy Posted July 11, 2021 Author Share Posted July 11, 2021 12 hours ago, trickyrich said: nup...not at the cost they were, close to $80 Oz!!! Plus I'd already spent a lot on her...... I'm actually trying not to think how much !! Wow, that is a lot, still for a dedicated AM aficionado like yourself you will probably always look at the finished kit and then think that if only you had bought the resin U/C bays - just sayin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickyrich Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 2 hours ago, Pappy said: Wow, that is a lot, still for a dedicated AM aficionado like yourself you will probably always look at the finished kit and then think that if only you had bought the resin U/C bays - just sayin' not this time....plus it's mostly hidden! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pappy Posted July 12, 2021 Author Share Posted July 12, 2021 1 hour ago, trickyrich said: not this time....plus it's mostly hidden! I would have to agree. I wasn't planning on doing much either but my AMS flared up and got the better of me! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Drover Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 That's looking really nice Pappy. The Hasegawa kit is certainly a great canvas to detail using AM or scratch built. Keen to see it in it's final colours. Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 Nice work so far! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfa1983 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 Very very nice work on those landing gear bays! I would not have the patience for such amazingly fine detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pappy Posted July 17, 2021 Author Share Posted July 17, 2021 (edited) On 7/13/2021 at 1:37 PM, Mick Drover said: That's looking really nice Pappy. The Hasegawa kit is certainly a great canvas to detail using AM or scratch built. Keen to see it in it's final colours. Mick G'day Mick! Yup, I am having big fun doing it too On 7/13/2021 at 3:37 PM, exdraken said: Nice work so far! On 7/14/2021 at 4:16 AM, arfa1983 said: Very very nice work on those landing gear bays! I would not have the patience for such amazingly fine detail. Thanks very much fellas. This hobby is all about patience IMO, but we are all time poor these days but I find that I like the results I get doing things myself even though it would perhaps be easier to just chuck some resin at the kit, So today I finished adding the greeblies to the u/c bays. I could add more but as Richo has already pointed out not that much is visible and I think I have reached the point of diminishing returns. Anyhooo, this is the current state of the u/c bays; HAF BLK 50s have their intake nav lights mounted atop some RWR antennas. I stole these from a Kinetic F-16 Kit - they fit perfectly! Finally, some pics of the dry fit with the battery and hyd rezzy to make sure everything plays nice together cheers Pappy Edited July 17, 2021 by Pappy 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickyrich Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 great job Pappy. it really looks the part, maybe you can stick a mirror underneath to show all that work off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pappy Posted July 17, 2021 Author Share Posted July 17, 2021 4 hours ago, trickyrich said: great job Pappy. it really looks the part, maybe you can stick a mirror underneath to show all that work off. Thanks Rich, I suppose I could place the finished kit on a mirror but I am hoping the rest of the kit will be the focus, cheers, Pappy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfa1983 Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 Looks amazing... Are real F16 main wheel bays that busy?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfa1983 Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 11 hours ago, Pappy said: G'day Mick! Yup, I am having big fun doing it too Thanks very much fellas. This hobby is all about patience IMO, but we are all time poor these days but I find that I like the results I get doing things myself even though it would perhaps be easier to just chuck some resin at the kit, So today I finished adding the greeblies to the u/c bays. I could add more but as Richo has already pointed out not that much is visible and I think I have reached the point of diminishing returns. Anyhooo, this is the current state of the u/c bays; HAF BLK 50s have their intake nav lights mounted atop some RWR antennas. I stole these from a Kinetic F-16 Kit - they fit perfectly! Finally, some pics of the dry fit with the battery and hyd rezzy to make sure everything plays nice together cheers Pappy You are for sure right, it is a hobby all about patience. Many of my friends are impressed by some of my builds, but say they wouldn't have the patience to build and paint like I do. There are different levels of patience. I'm surely towards the more impatient end of the spectrum, which is why I often think my finished builds look good, but not amazing like some of the things I see on this website. I have the special hobby 1/32 T2 Buckeye in the stash and I really really want to spend the time and patience on this kit to make it just perfect. I need to channel inspiration from your wheel wells! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pappy Posted July 17, 2021 Author Share Posted July 17, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, arfa1983 said: Looks amazing... Are real F16 main wheel bays that busy?! Thanks Arfa, and yes. surprisingly busy for such a small jet. Having said that I have not gone for 100% accuracy. The big stuff like the resevoir, battery and accumulators are spot on but the hyd pipe runs are more approximate, what the lat great Shep Paine would call 'creative gizmology' as it won't fool an F-16 maintainer but looks suitably busy to everyone else. I have used resin u/c bays previously and they are not 100% accurate either, so apart from saving time I don't see the need to spend the $$$$$$$, plus you will need to make sure the installation doesn't screw up the alignment of the u/c legs or you will end up with a lop sided kit. 13 hours ago, arfa1983 said: You are for sure right, it is a hobby all about patience. Many of my friends are impressed by some of my builds, but say they wouldn't have the patience to build and paint like I do. There are different levels of patience. I'm surely towards the more impatient end of the spectrum, which is why I often think my finished builds look good, but not amazing like some of the things I see on this website. I have the special hobby 1/32 T2 Buckeye in the stash and I really really want to spend the time and patience on this kit to make it just perfect. I need to channel inspiration from your wheel wells! OOOh, I have a 1/48 T-2, maybe I can take some inspo for my build? cheers, Pappy Edited July 18, 2021 by Pappy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pappy Posted July 18, 2021 Author Share Posted July 18, 2021 (edited) G'day people, It is time to start thinking about things under wings. I usually like my jets loaded for bear but in this case I will opt for a lighter config. Rummaging through the weapons depot, I decided on a pair of AIM-120 CATMs for the wingtips I will leave off all the tanks, the Has gasbags are not very good anyway as the fins are the wrong shape and the wing tanks lack the prominent seam lines, plus the tank pylon attachment consists of some ugly square blocks, this is areal weak feature of the Has F-16 family of kits. I am actually surprised that Has did not take the opportunity to re-tool the tanks when they released their F-16E/F Block 60 kits, but then again maybe I should not be surprised. Anyway, the 120s looked a little lonely so I decided to add the A/G pylons with an MXU-648/A cargo pod on one side. The pylons are not too bad and If you load a store to them they would be okay as is but since one of mine will be empty I decided to add a representation of the rack and sway braces At this point I noticed that there are all kind of inspection holes missing so I broke out the micro drill and starting drilling holes. Finally I assembled the cargo pod. This was actually included in the kit, something a little unusual for Hasegawa who typically only include drop tanks and maybe a pair of 'winders. These pods tend to get banged up a lot, especially around the nose so I decided that would add some damage as well as opening the access door The whole lot cheers, Pappy Edited July 18, 2021 by Pappy 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickyrich Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 I love the cargo pod! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pappy Posted July 19, 2021 Author Share Posted July 19, 2021 9 hours ago, trickyrich said: I love the cargo pod! Thanks Rich, it was fun to do. Adding realistic damage is hard as you can easily overdo it. Cargo pods seem to have two options, they can be really beat up or thay can be a canvas for the resident squadron artist. Being used typically on simple transit flights they are used in a very beningn mission environment, no high-G thanks as the pilot's gear (and their duty free!) is typically stowed in them, cheers, Pappy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthspud Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 Nice HAS F16, the kinetics are hit or miss but a cheaper alternative (at least in UK) are the Italeri late versions. They are re-boxed Kinetic kits with slightly different weapon sprues and markings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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