jenko Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 Now here's an interesting one. I love Mr.Hobby acrylic paint. 58 is the go to interior green for WW2 American aircraft. So I've just ordered 3 more jars to keep me topped up. Now imagine my surprise when the order came and it is now a different colour. Original on the left new one on the right. It's more akin to zinc chromate. I did order the correct number...before you ask Anyone know what's going on?? Your input here would be appreciated. Cheers Dick 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steben Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 Crap. That is whats going on. H58 + H78 gave a great 4bo. 😕 bye bye mix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmwh548 Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 You could give them an email asking about it. Provide the photos too. They were pretty quick to respond a few years ago when I had an issue with their metal primer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vixvix Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 The one with number on the top is with new formula, which says better performance than the old ones. But the color changing is quite a shock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Leader Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Sounds very familiar to their Dark Earth H72 for which there is another thread which is going along similar lines. Unfortunately, Gunze seem to have changed their aqueous paint formula and we diehard modellers are finding out the hard way. So that’s H72 and H58 scrubbed off the list, I wonder how many more (if not all) have been effected this way? Cheers.. Dave 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendie Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 I just got a couple of pots of their H73 and it's way off according to the old pot I have 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steben Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 Makes you wonder why I adore revell when they have more 80% of their range linked to RAL colours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenko Posted June 17, 2021 Author Share Posted June 17, 2021 Sent them an email...no reply ...that's over a week ago. Back to the old trusted Tamiya............................ Been one of those years.... Dick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lesliegl Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 The new formula defiantely drys better than the old one especially the gloss colours whichnow dry rock hard but the colour matches on a lot of them are now way off...shame as many of the their matches..FS..BS etc were very good..end of a era in a way..some of the colours have stayes the same such US Navy Light Gull Grey..RAF Dark Earth is now some sort of dull brown..hand paining the paint drags on the brush because it's drying so fast..reminds me of AK Real Color armour line..i've tried adding some Tamiya acrylic retarder which seems help Leslie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom726 Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 Quick question: Is it only the Mr. Hobby line that's affected by this new formula or does it also apply to the Mr. Color line of paints? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roginoz Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 Rumour also has it that the new Gunze is not compatible with Tamiya paints. Not sure if this refers to mixes, covering or what. Any info gratefully received. Rog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lesliegl Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 Some of the Mr Color lacquer shades have changed too.. including the US Interior Green as above..not sure about the RAF ones..a local shop has a Mr Color rack i must have a look 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_W Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 I received a response from Gunze that may interest you: Dear Ray, Sorry for our late reply.I'd be more than happy to help you. In association with the revise we did on our aqueous color range in late 2019, we changed some of the color including H72 to match them with lacquer counterpart. In the past, those aqueous colors were inacurate, or differ from the lacquer colors due to the technical limitation of the colorant. With the development of new colorant, we could produce the aqueos colors that look same as the lacquer one, thus we revised them. Please feel welcome to reply to this message if you have any other questions and we'd be more than happy to help. Regards, ------------------------------------------- GSI Creos Corporation 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Leader Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Thanks Ray, now the challenge is to test their new aqueous colours to their Mr. Colour equivalents. The problem is that their paint numbering usually differs, as H72 is Dark Earth and C72 is Intermediate Blue? Cheers.. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenko Posted July 5, 2021 Author Share Posted July 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Ray_W said: I received a response from Gunze that may interest you: Dear Ray, Sorry for our late reply.I'd be more than happy to help you. In association with the revise we did on our aqueous color range in late 2019, we changed some of the color including H72 to match them with lacquer counterpart. In the past, those aqueous colors were inacurate, or differ from the lacquer colors due to the technical limitation of the colorant. With the development of new colorant, we could produce the aqueos colors that look same as the lacquer one, thus we revised them. Please feel welcome to reply to this message if you have any other questions and we'd be more than happy to help. Regards, ------------------------------------------- GSI Creos Corporation Very interesting response. But I'll go back to my original posting. The interior green was correct but now is more like Zinc Chromate ..... so technically the name should have changed as well. It's about time Tamiya came up with this colour. Dick And to think this is meant to be a relaxing hobby ........Hey Ho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steben Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Adding black will render interior green. Still, it is a sad change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_W Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 39 minutes ago, Rabbit Leader said: Thanks Ray, now the challenge is to test their new aqueous colours to their Mr. Colour equivalents. The problem is that their paint numbering usually differs, as H72 is Dark Earth and C72 is Intermediate Blue? Yes, not easy and no direct correlation. Their latest product range colour chart might be a good place to start. https://www.mr-hobby.com/en/common/header-utility-link/main/00/teaserItems1/0/linkList/00/link/Mr.Hobbyleaflet.pdf For example, H464 Chrome Green may be now an alternative to old H58. Not promoting this as it could be a totally wrong colour like a silver green. Regarding H72, I find Mr Color Dark Earth H369, based on BS381C/450, seems to give that less orange tone of their old H72. This possible difference between the post war BS381C standardisation and wartime MAP colours was discussed here. I note @Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies said this in an earlier post 2017: "They're not colours that manufacturers should be cut any slack on for getting wrong and there equally shouldn't be much debate about the colours either besides how far they may have weathered in the aircraft's service life. BS381C-241 shows what Dark Green should look like and BS381C-450 shows what Dark Earth looked like. The BS381C shades are good practical matches with the MAP chips in the RAF Museum approved book." https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234942722-what-paints-for-dark-earth-dark-green/&do=findComment&comment=2698099 I am interested in his current thinking. Seems we have much more colour discussion to come. Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenko Posted July 5, 2021 Author Share Posted July 5, 2021 Just now, Steben said: Adding black will render interior green. Still, it is a sad change. Cheers................................. But should you have to do it in the first place??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lesliegl Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 The recent H 400 series are apprently Geram Railraod colours..that's why they have German names on them..odd but there you are..in the Mr Color lacquer range tthere are now two RAF like colours..the original ones and the ones that came in the boxed sets are now availabe individually..ie C22 Dark Earth and Dark Earth BS381C/450 C369 ps Looks like the above reply clears up the colour change in the H range Leslie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vixvix Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 (edited) On 7/5/2021 at 6:41 AM, Ray_W said: Yes, not easy and no direct correlation. Their latest product range colour chart might be a good place to start. https://www.mr-hobby.com/en/common/header-utility-link/main/00/teaserItems1/0/linkList/00/link/Mr.Hobbyleaflet.pdf For example, H464 Chrome Green may be now an alternative to old H58. Not promoting this as it could be a totally wrong colour like a silver green. Regarding H72, I find Mr Color Dark Earth H369, based on BS381C/450, seems to give that less orange tone of their old H72. This possible difference between the post war BS381C standardisation and wartime MAP colours was discussed here. I note @Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies said this in an earlier post 2017: "They're not colours that manufacturers should be cut any slack on for getting wrong and there equally shouldn't be much debate about the colours either besides how far they may have weathered in the aircraft's service life. BS381C-241 shows what Dark Green should look like and BS381C-450 shows what Dark Earth looked like. The BS381C shades are good practical matches with the MAP chips in the RAF Museum approved book." https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234942722-what-paints-for-dark-earth-dark-green/&do=findComment&comment=2698099 I am interested in his current thinking. Seems we have much more colour discussion to come. Ray Follow Ray's cat link. I found their latest catalogue on their japanes site. They Aqueous in the new PDF should be the new colors. https://www.mr-hobby.com/ja/promos2/0/link/colorchart2021_compressed.pdf In this new PDF, the Mr. Color section has corresponding Aqueous colour noted as well. H58 -> C27 H72 -> C22 H73 -> C23 Edited July 19, 2021 by vixvix 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatGeo Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 The new "H58" is yellow-green. You can probably use it for early war P-40Bs with a little black and aluminum paint. Happy Modelling!😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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