tonyot Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 This is coming along beautifully John,.... loving the painted on markings too. Cheers Tony 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 On 15/06/2021 at 10:31, shortCummins said: if it works I've an Eduard MkIX waiting to be made into a Russian Spitfire (all over green) the only overall green (and they may have been grey) VVS Spitfires were the two seat conversions. Wartime VVS Spitfire retained their RAF paint, and contrary to profiles, and certain 'experts' the RAF markings were painted out before delivery with British paint, and red stars applied. You can spot British applied red stars, as they Trust me, there is an awful lot of cobblers available on VVS Spitfire available.... https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235085135-russian-spitfire-flies-again-and-the-legacy-of-a-certain-researcher-on-markings/ But, the VVS had about 1000 Mk.IX Spitfire's at the end of the war, and many served until 1947 or 48, and they were repainted after the war, with green uppers and light blue undersides. And , of course, photos showing this are hens teeth..... This is the one i know of... Spit vert no2_zps8sciyndv by losethekibble, on Flickr HTH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted June 20, 2021 Author Share Posted June 20, 2021 14 hours ago, Herrick said: I’ve followed the development of this project in awe. Thanks for all the detail, this is the sort of finish I can only aspire to atm! How long have you been building model aircraft? thanks Herrick I returned to the hobby 5-6 years ago, after a gap of 30+ years. I used to "hand paint" my models, never did any weathering and after-market was limited to buying Humbrol enamel paints. Reading this forum has helped no end, lots of inspiration and ideas. 12 hours ago, bigbadbadge said: Crikey John , fingers crossed it works out fella. Although the fading actually looks good. Chris thanks Chris I could live with the fading however the surface is very rough, I've lightly sanded it with wet and dry but I'm still not happy with it, I'm going to try reapplying the camo on the wings and cowl, the rear of the aircraft if fine!? should be an "interesting" exercise 10 hours ago, tonyot said: This is coming along beautifully John,.... loving the painted on markings too. Cheers Tony thanks Tony Montex masks are really good and reasonably easy to use, even when you misalign then corrections aren't too much of an issue to fix (famous last words) rgds John(shortCummins) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted June 20, 2021 Author Share Posted June 20, 2021 9 hours ago, Troy Smith said: the only overall green (and they may have been grey) VVS Spitfires were the two seat conversions. Wartime VVS Spitfire retained their RAF paint, and contrary to profiles, and certain 'experts' the RAF markings were painted out before delivery with British paint, and red stars applied. You can spot British applied red stars, as they Trust me, there is an awful lot of cobblers available on VVS Spitfire available.... https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235085135-russian-spitfire-flies-again-and-the-legacy-of-a-certain-researcher-on-markings/ But, the VVS had about 1000 Mk.IX Spitfire's at the end of the war, and many served until 1947 or 48, and they were repainted after the war, with green uppers and light blue undersides. And , of course, photos showing this are hens teeth..... This is the one i know of... Spit vert no2_zps8sciyndv by losethekibble, on Flickr HTH thanks Troy that was really interesting and informative. this is the scheme I plan to do... so this was probably a post war scheme rather than late war 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 23 minutes ago, shortCummins said: this is the scheme I plan to do.. I've not seen a photo. There maybe one. Possibly this is based on a blow up from the background of an image in Red Stars 4. (not to hand to check) which was very lo-res.... I think the date is wrong, the repaints seem to be a summer 1945, which makes sense, something to keep ground crew busy.... this is a page on the 26 GvIAP http://ava.org.ru/iap/26g.htm They got Spitfires Feb 1945. some had the lightning bolt, but on RAF camo http://ava.org.ru/iap/26g/spitfire__2.jpg Tag me when you are doing this, and I'll have a hunt, though from memory, the only confirmed Spitfire in the scheme is the pic I posted from 1948. One good thing, more Soviet photos keep ending up online line, this site http://ava.org.ru/iap.html also ties images into units, try putting this into google site :ava.org.ru "Спитфайр" this is "Спитфайр" Spitfire in cyrillic this unit, has a photo on a IXe date 3 Sep 45, with the lightning flash. http://ava.org.ru/iap/35.htm has a photo of a lightning bolt on their Spitfire, but the 57 GvIAP flew Spitfire Vb's with them earlier http://ava.org.ru/iap/57g.htm HTH 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted June 20, 2021 Author Share Posted June 20, 2021 While I’m waiting for the flat coat to do its thing, I’m 99% certain that I’ll need to re-paint at least some of the camo’, I had a crack at the exhaust. A few weeks ago Doogs’ Models did a video on how he painted the turbo chargers on his Tamiya P-38, his came out really nice so I thought I’d try his method (more of less). https:// www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkuDfH4zJ1s from approx 34 minutes, I can highly recommend Doogs' video series on his various builds UMP/Stynylrez black primer applied. “Base” colour of Xtreme metal AK 479 aluminium. Followed by “edges” of MRP- 275 6K Russian brown. Some squiggles, this time MRP-167 light earth. A light misting of MRP-241 gunship grey… …and then MRP-205 eggplant dark grey. The “tips” of the exhausts were then dry brushed with Tamiya XF-69 NATO black. Next I’ll be trying to sort out the weathering. until next time as always, any suggestions, criticisms or comments will be gratefully received. rgds John(shortCummins) 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted June 20, 2021 Author Share Posted June 20, 2021 As I suspected just respraying a flat coat didn’t “fix” the problem, it did look a bit better but I still wasn’t happy. One thing to note is that there was a white crystal type deposits in my airbrush cup the following morning, I’d only flushed the airbrush rather that a full strip down clean, so the milky/chalky finish could well be something to do with the “end” of the bottle? interestingly I sprayed the rear of the aircraft first and finished-up towards the front of the fuselage and wings. I still think that part of the issue is with the oils not being fully cured, I’ll leave them for, at least, 3 days before I over-spray them with a matt coat if needed this time. The main “issue” is with the wings, from the roundels inwards toward the fuselage and the cowl area. My place is to mask the roundels, respray the green camo’ as I want it to show and then over-spray with the EDSG. I know that the panel lines and other weathering will need to also be reapplied and that it’ll be different to the existing however I’m hoping it won’t be too noticeable, if it is then I’ll respray the rear of the aircraft. So first order of business was to mask the roundels and cowl demarcation for the underside. I also re-masked the “S” code letters just in case of over-spray, shouldn’t be an issue but belt and braces and all that! I’ll try and avoid overstaying the wing-root chipping but I can always retouch the chipping if needed. XF-82 ocean grey was sprayed roughly where the original camo’ would have been, can’t really see much difference between the greys. Then the green was roughly reapplied, more “free-hand” practice, once again using XF-81. The green/grey camo’ was left to cure for 2 or 3 hours and then over-sprayed with thinned coats of MRP-114. Not quite as good as my first attempt, I think I did more coats of EDSG this time?, however she doesn’t look “chalky” so I’m happy with that! I’m going to let this cure overnight and then give her a gloss coat in the morning. Next while I’m waiting I’ll make a start on the propeller. until next time as always, any suggestions, criticisms or comments will be gratefully received. rgds John(shortCummins) 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbadge Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Great recovery John, looks great. Chris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted June 20, 2021 Author Share Posted June 20, 2021 1 hour ago, bigbadbadge said: Great recovery John, looks great. Chris thanks Chris the "green" doesn't show as much as before, but I can live with that, I now know that your idea of over-spraying the "base" camo' works and I'll be trying again with the Russian Spitfire, albeit with green rather than grey. rgds John(shortCummins) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
81-er Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 As Chris said, you're doing a nice job of the save there John 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted June 21, 2021 Author Share Posted June 21, 2021 1 hour ago, 81-er said: As Chris said, you're doing a nice job of the save there John thanks 81-er I think the "green" should" have been more solid and the EDSG one or two coats less but I'm far happier with it now and I've also proved to myself that I can "re-do" stuff like this, if the Hellcat build wasn't starting in a few days I'd probably "re-do" it again. rgds John(shortCummins) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted June 21, 2021 Author Share Posted June 21, 2021 UMP/Stynylrez black primer applied. The spinner was given a coat of Xtreme metal AK 479 aluminium After a coat of hairspray the spinner was sprayed XF-7 and after the red had dried a tooth-pick was used to add some chips and scratches to the spinner. The “bottom/rear” part of the spinner was weathered using a graphite pencil and some Tamiya panel liner run into the dividing line. Propellor tips were given a “base” of white and then painted MRP-122 marking yellow. The “middle” of each propellor blade was give a light thinned coat of Tamiya XF-24 dark grey… …this is quite subtle however I think it makes a difference rather than just a black “slab” of colour. To try and simulate a dusty/sandy environment the blades were given a coat of hairspray and then given a light misting of highly thinned Tamiya XF-57 buff which was then “chipped”… …followed by some Tamiya panel liner black being flicked onto the blades. All together… I’ve not chipped the leading edge of the propellor blades as Spitfire blades from late 1940 were (mostly) made from a composite material called Hydulignum, a compressed birchwood laminate. Some may have had copper strips added to the leading edge but I think that it’s unlikely that an aluminium bladed propellor version would have been sent to Malta? Next I’ll get back to the weathering. until next time as always, any suggestions, criticisms or comments will be gratefully received. rgds John(shortCummins) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted June 21, 2021 Author Share Posted June 21, 2021 [ After repainting the wings and cowl, these were treated to a gloss coat and then some UMP concrete clay wash applied… …and rubbed off leaving the panel lines highlighted. The clay wash was then sealed with a matt coat, the bottle of varnish was shaken for even more time than “normal”. I’ll leave the flat coat to cure overnight and get on with the weathering in the morning. until next time as always, any suggestions, criticisms or comments will be gratefully received. rgds John(shortCummins) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbadge Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 That last photo does it for me, success John, great work. Chris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
81-er Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) Looking very good indeed. I had no idea about Spitfires using composite blades, you learn something every day James Edited June 21, 2021 by 81-er 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted June 21, 2021 Author Share Posted June 21, 2021 1 hour ago, bigbadbadge said: That last photo does it for me, success John, great work. Chris thanks Chris the lightings a bit off in the 2nd photo but I'm now happy with her (again) and under a flat coat she's very close to how I envisioned her. 52 minutes ago, 81-er said: Looking very good indeed. I had no idea about Spitfires using composite blades, you learn something every day James thanks James I was always under the impression that they were aluminium as well, this is a link to an interesting article on them... https://flyaspitfire.com/what-were-spitfire-propellers-made-from rgds John(shortCummins) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted June 22, 2021 Author Share Posted June 22, 2021 Th flat coat was left overnight so it was now time to start on re-weathering. I’ve decided to do the weathering a little differently from last time, so first off was the exhaust stains, these were made by spraying some highly thinned (95% thinner 5% paint)MRP-275 6K Russian brown and MRP-255 night camo black mix to create the bulk of the stain. Then some MRP-167 light earth, also highly thinned, was sprayed in the middle of the stains. The wing root wear and tear had become too dark, probably over-spray when I redid the camo’, so some sponge chipping on vallejo 77.716 semi matte aluminium was added. In “the flesh” these don’t look as bright as these photos, however, these are brighter than the aluminium that had been laid down previously which adds a depth that I’ll need to remember for future builds! I also wanted to reapply some fuel stains. These fuel stains are a little overdone, but I’m blaming a tired ground crew and the need for a really quick re-arm and re-fuel turn around. Fuel cap and exhausts fitted. Next I’ll have a look at the underside weathering. until next time as always, any suggestions, criticisms or comments will be gratefully received. rgds John(shortCummins) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted June 22, 2021 Author Share Posted June 22, 2021 As @bigbadbadge pointed out, much appreciated Chris, the underside weathering needs some “work”. The fuselage oils stains need to be a little more pronounced, while the gun “gunk” is a little too pronounced and ideally should be toned down. Making the stains darker is easy, toning down will be more of a problem so I decided to tackle this first. The roundels were re-masked with the Montex mask and some Mr Masking Sol, then the underside colour XF-19 was reapplied, highly thinned, and “spot sprayed” over the gun stains. Several light passes were made, I didn’t want to completely remove them so I needed to take care and build up the XF-19’s opacity slowly. To try and ensure a definitive break for the stains I used some liquid mask to “protect” the “clean” paint. The fuselage oil/engine leeks were then added to with some more 502 Abteilung ABT002 sepia and ABT260 oxide patina. This will tone down a bit once the oils dry, hopefully as I think it’s gone a wee bit too far the other way. Next I’ll add the remaining bits’n’pieces, permanently fixing the wheels, radio mast, morse-code lamp, pitot tube etc. until next time as always, any suggestions, criticisms or comments will be gratefully received. rgds John(shortCummins) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbadge Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 Great work John the upper surfaces and wing root chipping looks ace and the underside looks good. There are some cracking pictures on t'internet of some grubby undersides, I used a nice one of EN951, Jan Zumbach's Spitfire when I was modelling it and it had some very dark oil staining underneath. Try a Google search of the above and you'll see what I mean. Great work fella. Chris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted June 23, 2021 Author Share Posted June 23, 2021 17 hours ago, bigbadbadge said: Great work John the upper surfaces and wing root chipping looks ace and the underside looks good. There are some cracking pictures on t'internet of some grubby undersides, I used a nice one of EN951, Jan Zumbach's Spitfire when I was modelling it and it had some very dark oil staining underneath. Try a Google search of the above and you'll see what I mean. Great work fella. Chris thanks Chris I've just had a look at your build log, I need to up my game! very nice, am I right that you brush painted her? if so I'm even more impressed rgds John(shortCummins) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Impressive work John, I think your rework has paid dividends. That @bigbadbadge knows his onions 😉 Cheers, Roger 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbadge Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 2 hours ago, shortCummins said: thanks Chris I've just had a look at your build log, I need to up my game! very nice, am I right that you brush painted her? if so I'm even more impressed rgds John(shortCummins) Thanks John very kind, yes she is all brushpainted, I don't have an airbrush and find it very relaxing brush painting. 1 hour ago, Dunny said: Impressive work John, I think your rework has paid dividends. That @bigbadbadge knows his onions 😉 Cheers, Roger Thanks Roger, very kind of you. Chris 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted June 23, 2021 Author Share Posted June 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Dunny said: Impressive work John, I think your rework has paid dividends. That @bigbadbadge knows his onions 😉 Cheers, Roger thanks Roger I agree, that's one of the wonderful things about this forum, you can get help and inspiration from like minded folk! rgds John(shortCummins) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted June 23, 2021 Author Share Posted June 23, 2021 I had planned on finishing this build today however taking inspiration from @bigbadbadge and his 1:32 Spitfire there’s a little more work I need to do. So after looking at Chris’s build of Jan Zumbach’s Spitfire… ...I realised I needed to add a little more weathering in the form of paint wear, discolouration and chipping. The danger is that I “go overboard” with this, the prop’ spinner is a good example, however as the underside is very “weary” I think the top needs a little something. The first thing was to some of the original camo’ showing through in places where panels would have been removed on a regular basis. Green first, very subtle… …then grey, the grey is a more subtile as its grey on grey. Because these are hardly noticeable, the grey stands out more than the green?, I decided not to add deeper scratches, showing the aluminium, as I think this would detract from the overall effect which I'm happy with at the moment. I did want the weathering to show a more "used" airframe but I like how she looks now and I know if I continue I'll mess her up so I'm calling the weathering done. Anyhow as I’d got some silver paint out it was time to paint the lights. 9 times out of 10 I forget about the rear light! The wing lights will have colour added once this paint dries, also the tips of the canons were painted with some Tamiya X-10 gun metal. Next I’ll be adding the remaining bits’n’bobs. until next time as always, any suggestions, criticisms or comments will be gratefully received. rgds John(shortCummins) 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbadge Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Thanks John for the mention and the link to my Spitfire build, it was an enjoyable build part from the long break in proceedings and once together the fun painting started. I have some more 32nd scales Spitfires to do too so may have to start another soon .I like the idea of the paint showing through and the extra hint around the gun panels is subtle and think that this is great, I agree too if you try and go any further you may damage your wonderful work. Thank you for the kind comments, link and some inspiration. Chris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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