Help needed for a MIG-27 correct loadplan

dov · May 20, 2021

Hallo

I am building now my MIG-27 from Trumpeter in 1/48.

Here I intend to load my aircraft with iron bombs.

FAB 500 four pieces

FAB 250 12 pieces on two MER arranged 2 * 3 each.

I intend to put the FAB 500 on the fuselage front & aft

and the MER at the inner fixed wing.

To get the bird full, the centerline tank too.

Without AA missiles.

Is this correct?

Let me know. I trust our comunity to provide me with a correct answer.

Happy modelling & Thank you in forward

exdraken · May 20, 2021

your load out sounds a bit heavy/ or short ranged to me

maybe you can get some idea from this Indian Air Force MiG-27s:

https://www.strategicfront.org/forums/threads/mikoyan-mig-27-bahadur-of-india-air-force.3612/page-2

18 bombs if counted correctly, and rather full...

this one also looks like a quite operation l and possible loadout:

https://zeenews.india.com/hindi/india/indian-airforce-remembering-kargil-and-operation-safed-sagar/531424

Syrian airforce is usually using much lighter loads...

not sure about the Soviets in Afghanistan, but I guess lighter loads as well....

JPuente54 · May 20, 2021

@exdraken, your upper and lower photos are MiG-23BNs. The center one is a MiG-27. India was the only other country to receive MiG-27s. All others(WarPac included) were sold MiG-23BNs. At least, that was my information. Ready to be proved wrong, though.

exdraken · May 20, 2021

18 minutes ago, JPuente54 said:

@exdraken, your upper and lower photos are MiG-23BNs. The center one is a MiG-27. India was the only other country to receive MiG-27s. All others(WarPac included) were sold MiG-23BNs. At least, that was my information. Ready to be proved wrong, though.

I think you are correct here...

I assume Ukraine, Belarus, Kasachstan, etc. inherited some after the Soviet Unions collapse though

but as we are talking basically a full dumb bomb load out, I think also the -23BN is viable source for them....

not easy to find full operational load outs for any of them....

Edit:

also going though Yefim Gordons book on the Flogger series did not bring different results to me...

you basically have 4 heavy weapons stations tht could be loaded with e.g. MERs with 4 FAB 100 bombs, or single 250/ 500 kg weapons or the dual rack for the glove pylons that cn also hold something like 2 250 kg weapons.

and tehn you have the rear fuselage staions for fpr most likely 250 kg weapons max, and maybe a center station.

of course the more advance MiG-27 versions were intended for preciion missiles/ bombs mainly..

GiampieroSilvestri · May 20, 2021

The Mig-27 was flown by Russia,India,Kazakhstan,Sri Lanka and Ukraine.

Saluti

Giampiero

dov · May 20, 2021

So, I would make the following choice:

Fixed inner wing 2 MER with 6 FAB 250 each. Here are 3000 kg bombload.

Fuselage front 2 FAB 500 each. If the bombload is restricted to 4000 kg fir Flogger D, so it would fit.

I will add the centerline tank too.

Has anybody a better opinion?

The max. bomb load (page 111) from the book Mig-23/27 Flogger from Gordon.

Happy modelling

exdraken · May 20, 2021

1 hour ago, dov said:

So, I would make the following choice:

Fixed inner wing 2 MER with 6 FAB 250 each. Here are 3000 kg bombload.

Fuselage front 2 FAB 500 each. If the bombload is restricted to 4000 kg fir Flogger D, so it would fit.

I will add the centerline tank too.

Has anybody a better opinion?

The max. bomb load (page 111) from the book Mig-23/27 Flogger from Gordon.

Happy modelling

my book seems to be a different one... (2019 edition)

I still doubt that the MiG-27 does not carry the 6 point MER (MBD3-U6-68??), as the Su-24 and Su-30/34 carry, I could only find the rack for 2 bombs in line, or 4 bombs (MBD2-67U) as in the photos above.

4000kg of bombs of max load out? (incl pylons, etc?)

sorry, can't help more on that!

dov · May 21, 2021

So, my option is 4 pieces of FAB 500,

or

4 pieces of KH 25 misdiles, which are aproved in my book.

Centerline tank too.

Exactly, this kind of answer I like, critic and new ideas are wellcome. This is whatca discussion is.

Happy modelling & thank you all

Blimpyboy · May 21, 2021

Do these help?

http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fighter/mig27/mig27-2.gif

and

http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fighter/mig27/mig27-3.gif

Edited May 21, 2021 by Blimpyboy

dov · May 21, 2021

Perfect Blimpyboy!

Hook · May 21, 2021

14 hours ago, JPuente54 said:

India was the only other country to receive MiG-27s. All others(WarPac included) were sold MiG-23BNs. At least, that was my information. Ready to be proved wrong, though.

Sri Lanka received MiG-27M's as well. Link

Cheers,

Andre

Blimpyboy · May 21, 2021

This jet has a full load: http://82.131.160.129/html/mig-27_in_taldy_kurgan_eng.html

I'm not sure about the bombload on this jet.

And, there's always the fun of a mixed load:

https://i.ucrazy.ru/files/i/2008.1.15/1200405962_511.jpg

and

http://www.16va.be/galeries_vvs/mig-27/imgcol/imgcol_5/_00093.html

and

http://www.16va.be/galeries_vvs/mig-27/imgcol/imgcol_20/_00006.html

Then, there is a load of precision-guided weapons:

http://www.16va.be/page_mig-27m_kh-25.html

and

exdraken · May 21, 2021

so that looks like max 9 250kg weapons or 8! 500 kg ones! using the tandem shoulder pylons!

great!, thanks @Blimpyboy!

RAGATIGER · May 30, 2021

Hi there

Well talking about the MiG-23BN and the MiG-27. I remember when only the Hasegawa and the Academy kits were available. Then I got some trashed kits and from salvaged parts I took the MiG-23 intake spliters, the afterburner and the gun pod to make my own MiG-23 BN

Later when able to get theItaleri/Zvesda I notice a one item not mention on the instructions

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/178103360240490815/

http://www.karaya.pl/en/r-v-aircraft/0/mig-27-flogger-1-72-1-48-detail-scale-aircraft-drawings-rv1023.html?ref=%2Fen%2Fr-v-aircraft%2F0%2F3%2F2%2Fitems.html

Some sort of electronics ventral pod that made the MiG-27K a kind of a Russian Wild Weasel

Other than the ICM MiG-25BN there is not in 1/72 scale other stock model of this kind of mission kit

Regards

Armando

PS I just forgeting the A-Model KH-58 ASM missile associated with Irai AF Su-22 but you need to buy 2 kits

Hook · May 31, 2021

The Vyuga-17 conformal ventral pod was carried by the Fitter as well, as the Su-17M-3P SEAD variant.

From the few references of the pod on the MiG-27 I have, size considerations looks like this meant the underslung GSh-6-30 Gatling needed to be removed.

Cheers,

Andre

exdraken · May 31, 2021

On 5/30/2021 at 4:33 PM, RAGATIGER said:

just forgeting the A-Model KH-58 ASM missile associated with Irai AF Su-22 but you need to buy 2 kits

Didn't those Fitters use the Kh-28 onwith folding fins on a single center ventral pylon ?

RAGATIGER · June 1, 2021

5 hours ago, exdraken said:

Didn't those Fitters use the Kh-28 onwith folding fins on a single center ventral pylon ?

Well for the size of the thing maybe was outboard the wing with a fuel tank as counter balance

https://www.amazon.com/Amodel-72288-1-Anti-Radiation-Missile-Model/dp/B084C2R967

https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/MSVIT72020

Cheers

Armando

Edited June 1, 2021 by RAGATIGER
forgot something

exdraken · June 1, 2021

6 hours ago, RAGATIGER said:

Well for the size of the thing maybe was outboard the wing with a fuel tank as counter balance

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1e/Iraqi_Su-22_with_Kh-58.jpg

Maybe you are right and it is not on the centerline!

Silverkite · June 2, 2021

On 5/21/2021 at 8:06 AM, dov said:

So, my option is 4 pieces of FAB 500,

or

4 pieces of KH 25 misdiles, which are aproved in my book.

Centerline tank too.

Exactly, this kind of answer I like, critic and new ideas are wellcome. This is whatca discussion is.

Happy modelling & thank you all

What kind of KH-25, cause somewhere else it was stated the for certain KH-25 the maximum load was just three missiles as you needed a guidance pod. Centerline tank is another big if due clearance.

I ended up filtering many Mig-27 pictures as I was searching for a specific Wild Weasel configuration that used Blizzard and Winter Storm(?) pods and I barely saw anything loaded past 2+2. If you decided to model your Mig-27 with fuel tank on its wings remember that you have lock the wings on a certain angle as they could not jettison the tanks nor fly supersonic with tanks installed

Luigi

exdraken · June 2, 2021

14 minutes ago, Silverkite said:

What kind of KH-25, cause somewhere else it was stated the for certain KH-25 the maximum load was just three missiles as you needed a guidance pod. Centerline tank is another big if due clearance.

I ended up filtering many Mig-27 pictures as I was searching for a specific Wild Weasel configuration that used Blizzard and Winter Storm(?) pods and I barely saw anything loaded past 2+2. If you decided to model your Mig-27 with fuel tank on its wings remember that you have lock the wings on a certain angle as they could not jettison the tanks nor fly supersonic with tanks installed

Luigi

those wing tanks are for ferry purposes only, no? not a valid combat load out as far as I understand!

4 KH-25s seems a lot, usually only 2 are carried. But not sure if a pod was needed apart for the Anti Radar versions!