Slater Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 The C-130 has been adapted for just about everything else, why not this? https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/sofic-2021-ussocom-touts-amphibious-mc-130 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spruecutter96 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 It's a very interesting concept. I'm wondering if the final paragraph of the article is also available in English? What a great example of buzzword nonsense... Chris. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Could the create floats big enough to support the darn thing ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noelh Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 (edited) On 5/20/2021 at 11:50 AM, spruecutter96 said: It's a very interesting concept. I'm wondering if the final paragraph of the article is also available in English? What a great example of buzzword nonsense... Chris. “There is enough of a focus on peer and near-peer as we look at emerging threats. Is it going to be cost effective? That’s why we have several lines of effort early on and there will be plenty of off-ramp [opportunities] along the way to determine if we move forward,” he said. It makes perfect sense to me. Clearly an example of blue sky thinking. They obviously had a thought shower outside the box but they'll need to peel the onion to examine all the layers. Then they need to touch base and once everyone is singing from the same hymnsheet they can hit the ground running. However at the close of play it'll have to wash it's own face. There's a question as to it's strategic fit. I wonder who originally floated the idea? 😂 Edited May 21, 2021 by noelh 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, noelh said: I wonder who originally floated the idea? 😂 Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you can tell it is getting late on a dull , wet Friday afternoon !! But regarding originality , not sure where it was but sure that I have seen a flying-boat hulled Herc drawing somewhere and sometime in the dim and distant. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noelh Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Des said: Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you can tell it is getting late on a dull , wet Friday afternoon !! But regarding originality , not sure where it was but sure that I have seen a flying-boat hulled Herc drawing somewhere and sometime in the dim and distant. Absolutely, yes sorry, it is a dull and wet Friday. Looking forward to my first beer. 🍺 The C130's shape does lend itself to the idea of a flying boat. As for floats. I can't help thinking that the drag and additional weight would restrict it's capacity. Plus in a special forces context it's likely to be needed at night. Imagine an open sea landing in the dark? Scary thought. Edited May 21, 2021 by noelh 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 Could the fuselage be modified to become an amphibian ? Of course you would need to include a set of wing floats to balance, but is it possible to redesign the lower half of the fuselage ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 1 hour ago, noelh said: The C130's shape does lend itself to the idea of a flying boat. As mentioned I cannot recall where I saw the drawing but the Convair Tradewind flying boat and the idea of transport flying boats supporting WWII style 'Island Hopping' operations was an active although perhaps increasingly unlikely concept throughout most of the 1950s and with the Hercules appearing around the middle of the decade it would not be too surprising if Lockheed was not interested in a slice of that pie especially at only at the cost of an artist's impression. Will see if I can dig out the reference. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewolf Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 Interesting thought, but not practical. MC130 can fly at very low altitudes - under Radar, to parachute in Special Forces without any need to land. Extraction is another question altogether and CV22 excels in that role. Subs can recover SEAL units, so no real need exists for a Herc on floats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 Here you go..... https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/lockheed-c-130-hercules-seaplane-amphibious-versions.26090/ Trevor 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janneman36 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 31 minutes ago, Corsairfoxfouruncle said: Could the fuselage be modified to become an amphibian ? Of course you would need to include a set of wing floats to balance, but is it possible to redesign the lower half of the fuselage ? Lockheed serious looked into the concept in the late sixties and it all stopped after making a model of that idea... I do like it enough to turn that into another model again.. cheers, Jan 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spruecutter96 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 Whoever wrote the original press-release is going to have their bottom firmly spanked and sent to bed without any supper! I would volunteer for the task, but I am currently fully engaged in getting my Dobermann-Pincher converted in to a small, self-sustaining quantum-singularity..... Chris. PS: Some parts of the previous statement might not be entirely true. I haven't left my house for over three weeks. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete in Lincs Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 11 minutes ago, spruecutter96 said: I haven't left my house for over three weeks. Locked yourself in there again eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spruecutter96 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 Too many kits, leaning against the front door.... Chris. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Max Headroom said: Here you go..... Thanks for that , the HU-16 like nose area certainly rings some bells , just goes to show that there really is nothing new under the sun. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slater Posted May 21, 2021 Author Share Posted May 21, 2021 They should just dust off the drawings for these: http:// 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noelh Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Slater said: They should just dust off the drawings for these: http:// But didn't they blow up for no obvious reason on a regular basis. A basic design flaw I feel. 🤷 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcrfan Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 The amphibian Hercules hull looks so right. Definitely a Albatross-ish nose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 1 hour ago, dcrfan said: The amphibian Hercules hull looks so right. Definitely a Albatross-ish nose Agreed … Now to get someone to do a conversion set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcrfan Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 Kit bash it. Hercules, Orion engines and a block of balsa wood glued on the bottom of the Hercules hull 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flankerman Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 15 hours ago, janneman36 said: Lockheed serious looked into the concept in the late sixties and it all stopped after making a model of that idea... IIRC it was called the HOW Project - Hercules On Water. There were a couple of B&W photos in an old copy of Profile Pubs on the C-130 - which showed that it also had a retractable hydroski. Ken 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janneman36 Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 15 hours ago, Max Headroom said: Here you go..... https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/lockheed-c-130-hercules-seaplane-amphibious-versions.26090/ Trevor If you follow the link provided by @Max Headroom you will have some very usefull information about how the hull was built/constructed around the original fuselage ... A conversion is simpler than you might think! cheers, Jan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSG0 Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 Very interesting, though I wonder how floats would impact speed and range? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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