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Flying Legends 2021 - Your opinion on the ticket-prices?


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1 hour ago, Graham Boak said:

Neighbours have not chosen to travel any long distance to choose to stand in potentially dangerous places.  People who own cars (not cheap) and spend money on expensive fuel to travel, and operate expensive cameras, but then plead poverty to be unable to support the event - no, I don't think my comment is OTT in the slightest.   Your words described behaviour that is selfish and short-sighted,  There may be a lot of it about but that doesn't make it any more pleasant.  I don't see any contradiction of my choice of words.    If people don't pay for airshows there will be no air shows.  Those who gain their satisfaction in this way are gaining it at the expense of others.  The biological term is parasites, but in biology there is no morality.  Humans do have the potential for more.

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Sorry but, I think that's quite ridiculous.

Your arguments are specious at best but, if thats the way you feel, it's not my concern. It changes nothing.

You are actually judging people's circumstances from a position of unsupported assumptions and ignorance which, from my standpoint anyway makes your "argument" about costs irrelevant and, renders futile any attempt at reasonable discussion on this subject.

Thanks for the laugh though. Your rant really made my day.

 

Have a nice weekend!

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John.

 

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What it really boils down to is if people want to support vintage aviation or not.

 

Those who do, will pay for the tickets, those who don't really care, won't. 

 

Ticket prices for niche events like flying legends are only really likely to increase. As aircraft get older they get more expensive to operate and the skills and know-how required to operate, maintain and restore them diminishes with the natural loss of the people who spent their careers working on the aircraft operationally.

 

The cost of flying has dramatically increased, particularly as the cost of avgas has increased nearly 5 fold in the last 20 years. The cost of something as simple as a wing bolt can be a few hundred pounds - whatever you think the cost of making something for aerospace is, add a couple zeros on the end (trust me, I work in the aerospace industry).

 

Im not sure why any aviaition modeller would complain about spending £50 to see perhaps 25 vintage aircraft, whilst simultaneously spending £30 on a plastic scale kit. I've spent more than £50 on models when I've been to Flying Legends, the past few times (as have a few fellow modellers!)... 

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I think Standing outside was one of the issues raised by the Shoreham inquiries.  The show at Old Sarum had to be cancelled, at least in part, because the organisers couldn’t be in control of those congregating on nearby hills.

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I will stand outside if i can get better photos, but am also happy to go into shows too, carrying my expensive camera gear along the way!

 

My earlier point about refunds in full still stands though, as i feel this is the right thing to do if the show organisers cancel the event. These days, we as consumers, are too easily misled by "booking fees". Interestingly, I was refunded a further £3 after i enquired what the booking fee was actually used for.

 

Andy

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Been a while since seeing what the replies were since my last post... and I stand by what I've said, the last time I went was 2017 and it was £35 with no charge for parking, of course this was 4 years ago so inflation etc but on the flip side is the museum side that many seem to forget, as of today the minimum you can pay for a normal day at Duxford is £22.50 so when combined it is well worth it.

I can afford to pay the £50 but that is not the point, it's whether it's value for money and when compared to Duxford it does show poor value, I think the bit that irks me is the large difference in prices between the 2, even if the event hasn't taken place for 2 years at Duxford.  I do like to support vintage aviation but there is a cut off point when at some point the mickey is being taken, some won't be able to afford it and is now priced them out of it, having said that Fairford was £42 in 2017, was all day though and a substantially bigger scale. At the end of the day though everything seems to be going up so much but my pay rise never seems to follow suit 🤣

 

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On 06/06/2021 at 11:23, Toe said:

I can afford to pay the £50 but that is not the point, it's whether it's value for money and when compared to Duxford it does show poor value, I think the bit that irks me is the large difference in prices between the 2, even if the event hasn't taken place for 2 years at Duxford.  I do like to support vintage aviation but there is a cut off point when at some point the mickey is being taken, some won't be able to afford it

 

I think the key word is "value". It is of course a very subjective term to which may variables apply.

Having visited Duxford several times, I personally thought that while quite expensive, having access to to the excellent on site museums as part of the price DID make it good value for money overall. Especially as my partner and I visited Saturday and Sunday.

She was like a kid in a sweet shop when she saw the museums!! One day wasn't enough!! 😂.

 

Supporting or not supporting vintage aviation isn't the issue.

Our budgets are very tight so, we have to justify every penny spent. She and I have both decided that, based on what we know about the new venue, it's not very good value compared to the Duxford event.

I understand fully that the admission price will be set at a level sufficient to cover costs and, to turn a profit. I have no issue with that. But, if its a price that customers aren't willing to pay.... ..?

 

John

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On 06/06/2021 at 11:23, Toe said:

I can afford to pay the £50 but that is not the point, it's whether it's value for money and when compared to Duxford it does show poor value,

 

 

12 hours ago, Beermonster1958 said:

She and I have both decided that, based on what we know about the new venue, it's not very good value compared to the Duxford event. 

 

I can't disagree with either of these points.

 

The Duxford venue was superb as it had access to the museu too. I believe access to the flight line is included in the Sywell Flying Legends prices (whereas it wasn't for Duxford). 

 

My biggest concern is that if these events are pushed out of the larger, more mainstream airfields, is the cost going to rise further as they try to cover rising costs with fewer ticket numbers? I really hope not. I'm well aware that a lot of vintage aircraft operators make little to no profit and many pilots, ground crew and engineers give up a lot of their free time to support flying.

 

On top of that, it's concerning as the increase in cost is likely to drive away the more "casual" spectators (and therefore families), getting children interested in historic aircraft is incredibly important as they are the future of historic aviation.

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5 minutes ago, wellsprop said:

getting children interested in historic aircraft is incredibly important as they are the future of historic aviation.

A very good point, well-made. 

 

Chris. 

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10 hours ago, wellsprop said:

 

 

My biggest concern is that if these events are pushed out of the larger, more mainstream airfields, is the cost going to rise further as they try to cover rising costs with fewer ticket numbers? I really hope not. I'm well aware that a lot of vintage aircraft operators make little to no profit and many pilots, ground crew and engineers give up a lot of their free time to support flying.

 

On top of that, it's concerning as the increase in cost is likely to drive away the more "casual" spectators (and therefore families), getting children interested in historic aircraft is incredibly important as they are the future of historic aviation.

These are excellent points, particularly the 2nd. The "casual" spectator has, I think, always made up the bulk of the audience at any show.

John.

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This probably needs it own thread.. but can I just mention here that the Aero Legends ‘Battle of Britain’ weekend at Headcorn is still going ahead at the end of June...£20 per day or £35 for all three days. They are promising the Reds, B-17, six Spitfires, 2 C-47s and other types including their Yak 3 and a Dx Buchon..looking forward to it.. and they were the only guys who managed to organise a show last year as well. See the current issue of Flypast for more on Aero Legends

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