Vingtor Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 Why not do as US naval aviation (and possibly British), to void confusion when aircraft are maneuvered on a carrier deck. The aircraft have left and right side, while the ships (aircraft carriers) have port and starboard side. Nils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Swindell Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 51 minutes ago, Vingtor said: Why not do as US naval aviation (and possibly British), to void confusion when aircraft are maneuvered on a carrier deck. The aircraft have left and right side, while the ships (aircraft carriers) have port and starboard side. Nils The whole point of having port & stbd is to avoid confusion, they never change no matter what viewpoint you're looking from. Referring to left or right is always going to be open to interpretation depending on your veiwpoint. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 58 minutes ago, Vingtor said: Why not do as US naval aviation (and possibly British), to void confusion when aircraft are maneuvered on a carrier deck. The aircraft have left and right side, while the ships (aircraft carriers) have port and starboard side. Nils I really don't see how that would avoid any confusion. However, it is only landlubbers and groundhoggers who get confused anyway. Anyone involved in the sea or the air picks this up very early on. A bit like bow/stern and nose/tail instead of front/back. Call it jargon or specialised vocabulary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Swindell Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, Graham Boak said: I really don't see how that would avoid any confusion. However, it is only landlubbers and groundhoggers who get confused anyway. Anyone involved in the sea or the air picks this up very early on. A bit like bow/stern and nose/tail instead of front/back. Call it jargon or specialised vocabulary. You missed out pointy end / blunt end Graham 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 3 hours ago, Eric Mc said: I love Adam Tooby's artwork for Airfix but the odd errors creep in, like bronze collector rings on the engines in the Catalina box top art, or the missing tailplanes on one of the LIghtning artworks or the missing red stripes on the USAF insignia for the Korean War Mustang. and, allegedly, a Messer 109 with a main canopy slid open, ala Spitfire / Hurricane allegedly as I've not seen it myself It might be the 1/48 DFD with a Spitfire Vb https://www.scalemates.com/products/img/9/2/1/142921-10571-pristine.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 Actually, I was going to write stem/stern, but I'm not really sure quite who calls it "stem" nowadays, if anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonC Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 On 04/07/2021 at 21:31, Graham Boak said: Actually, I was going to write stem/stern, but I'm not really sure quite who calls it "stem" nowadays, if anyone? As I understood it, the stem is the absolute front of the ship, in the days of wooden ships the timber that curves up from the keel. The bow is more general, the whole area from the point the hull starts to taper forward. J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Mc Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 What is the technical definition of the "prow"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick4350 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 6 hours ago, Eric Mc said: What is the technical definition of the "prow"? It's the forward-most part of the ships bow above the waterline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vingtor Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 On 7/4/2021 at 7:02 PM, Graham Boak said: I really don't see how that would avoid any confusion. An aircraft taxing rearwards on a carrier deck. Turning starboard means that you are turning to the port of the ship (and vice versa). US Navy aviation thus refers to left/right for aircraft movements onboard carriers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Nice try, though any aircraft manoeuvring on a carrier deck would be under the control of the deck handlers, and would move in the direction they were pointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vingtor Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 (edited) Still, those are the phrases they use, according to a TV program about US aircraft carriers. 😉 🙂 Edited July 12, 2021 by Vingtor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony G Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 19 hours ago, Graham Boak said: Nice try, though any aircraft manoeuvring on a carrier deck would be under the control of the deck handlers, and would move in the direction they were pointing. Not strictly true fight deck aircraft manoeuvring commands are based on the aircraft tail position, i.e., tail to port, tail to stbd and midships. So the input required to change direction differs depending whether an aircraft is being pushed or pulled and is steered via a nose or a tail wheel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAF4EVER Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 I do not think that there many aircraft with a tail wheel on a flight deck,last one I can think of is the A-1 Skyraider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coors54 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 1 hour ago, RAF4EVER said: I do not think that there many aircraft with a tail wheel on a flight deck,last one I can think of is the A-1 Skyraider Seaking, Kaman Seasprite, SH-60 series Seahawk? Just off the top of my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAF4EVER Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 Sorry forgot helos was refering to fixed wing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephsf Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 I have just read this thread with some amusement - I have served in the RAF for 34 years (and still going!) and to the best of my recollection, we haven't actually referred to "port" and "starboard" for literally decades! It's just "left" and "right", and it doesn't cause any confusion. Nav lights are the same, red on the left, green on the right. PS "front" and "back", sometimes "rear". Why complicate things when you don't need to?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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