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I was watching the film (again) a couple of weeks ago when something suddenly occurred to me. 
It was the scene where the Polish squadron spotted the ‘’Einkel” squadron and peeled saying ‘Repeat please!’

6 aircraft were in the scene - the front three definitely being Hurricanes. The back three interlopers were Hispanoshmitts. 
Anybody would think there was a shortage of Hurricanes!

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13 hours ago, Brigbeale said:

I was watching the film (again) a couple of weeks ago when something suddenly occurred to me. 
It was the scene where the Polish squadron spotted the ‘’Einkel” squadron and peeled saying ‘Repeat please!’

6 aircraft were in the scene - the front three definitely being Hurricanes. The back three interlopers were Hispanoshmitts. 
Anybody would think there was a shortage of Hurricanes!

Yes they used twin seater Buchons painted as Spitfires for filming and single seaters for filling in. I guess the Buchon looked more like a Hurricane than a Spitfire?

You can also see the remnants of Spanish markings on some of the Einkels and one still has it's underslung target winch. I've also seen orange life jackets stowed in the nose of one

but not sure if that made it on screen?

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Trying to work out the actual colours for the film `Einkels` is not easy as there seems to be little actual photographic evidence of the upper surfaces.

Looking at the film doesn't help much either. The models seem to be in a two tone grey colour while the film is more a olive green, dark green colour?

So I decided to make my own colours using film stills which seem good to my eyes.

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Enamel Humbrol and Revell using a random selection of grey, green and yellow. I like it. Others may not. Unless someone can come up with the actual colour mix I'm happy with it.

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On 6/16/2022 at 10:41 AM, munnst said:

Yes they used twin seater Buchons painted as Spitfires for filming and single seaters for filling in. I guess the Buchon looked more like a Hurricane than a Spitfire?

You can also see the remnants of Spanish markings on some of the Einkels and one still has it's underslung target winch. I've also seen orange life jackets stowed in the nose of one

but not sure if that made it on screen?

They had two 2-seater Spitfires that were used occasionally as camera ships, the Buchons painted as RAF were just background fillers for aerial Hurricane scenes.

 

That said I think RAF-Buchons appeared in some paella-war films* and as mustangs!

 

*There’s a whole genre of 60s/70s war films made by various European studios, comparable to the “spaghetti-western” style.  Worth looking out for some on channels like Movies-for-Men, though it’s usually a challenge to endure a whole movie!

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I also visited Uxbridge to see the Battle of Britain Bunker. My `Einkels` may have been depicted in this `Sep 15th` raid?

"Yes I confirm Stanmore, no IFF"

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Any ideas what's causing this and suggestions on better colours?

 

Two questions. Why is this happening and why are the colours so wrong for a Battle of Britain daylight Heinkel?

 

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The kit is Airfix new tool He111P.

Paint is Mission Models RLM 70 and 71.

First off the colours seem wrong. It's almost a night bomber? Shouldn't RLM 70 be green?

Second question why are my Tamiya masks staining the paint?

 

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The masks are not lifting the paint or leaving any residue. It's as if the glue on the mask is reacting with the paint and staining it where it touches?

 

What make, colours of paint would you use and should I varnish the base colour to act as a barrier?

 

Thanks.

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I've not had it myself, but I've seen other builds where the adhesive on the tape has reacted with the paint under, if the paint was fairly fresh. How long had you left it between spraying the RLM70 and masking over it?

 

James

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20 minutes ago, 81-er said:

I've not had it myself, but I've seen other builds where the adhesive on the tape has reacted with the paint under, if the paint was fairly fresh. How long had you left it between spraying the RLM70 and masking over it?

 

James

At least 48 hours if not longer. I'm a slow model maker.

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On 5/15/2021 at 3:37 AM, Michou said:

A "Heinkel" on a grey Sunday morning at Bovingdon,1968.

 

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Mike

 


I was fortunate to fly in one of these used in the film in the mid 90s to late 90 in Canada.

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Those colours do look a bit off. 70/71 should be well more green. For luftwaffe I’ve gotten good results with hitaka paints for late war schemes and just Tamiya black green and flat green in various mixes on earlier builds.

 

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This would be by bob 109e in 02/71 camo.

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19 minutes ago, munnst said:

At least 48 hours if not longer. I'm a slow model maker.

I would have thought it would have been well and truly safe by then, though I've not used that brand of paint. Maybe try some tests on a scrap model and different paints/tapes?

 

James

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Been having a bit of `fun` with the paint colours for the two film `Einkels`.

First attempts at mixing my own colours to match didn't end well.

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This is after sanding back. Looks a bit Condor Legion to me?

Then I tried mission model RLM 70,71. Colours more suited to the Blitz than the BoB?

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The tape also reacted with the paint? Oh well, back with the wet n dry again.

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Mission model paints sort of wash off which is a bit weird? I kind of like the effect though.

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Now I'm trying Humbrol 116. It's a lot greener in real life.

Onward and upwards....

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