Brigbeale Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 I was watching the film (again) a couple of weeks ago when something suddenly occurred to me. It was the scene where the Polish squadron spotted the ‘’Einkel” squadron and peeled saying ‘Repeat please!’ 6 aircraft were in the scene - the front three definitely being Hurricanes. The back three interlopers were Hispanoshmitts. Anybody would think there was a shortage of Hurricanes! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Walter E Kurtz Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 On 18/10/2021 at 03:51, ColinChipmunkfan said: Are you intending to model Section Officer Harvey? Please you are making me go a little weak at the knees now! .... lol 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munnst Posted June 16, 2022 Author Share Posted June 16, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, Brigbeale said: I was watching the film (again) a couple of weeks ago when something suddenly occurred to me. It was the scene where the Polish squadron spotted the ‘’Einkel” squadron and peeled saying ‘Repeat please!’ 6 aircraft were in the scene - the front three definitely being Hurricanes. The back three interlopers were Hispanoshmitts. Anybody would think there was a shortage of Hurricanes! Yes they used twin seater Buchons painted as Spitfires for filming and single seaters for filling in. I guess the Buchon looked more like a Hurricane than a Spitfire? You can also see the remnants of Spanish markings on some of the Einkels and one still has it's underslung target winch. I've also seen orange life jackets stowed in the nose of one but not sure if that made it on screen? Edited June 16, 2022 by munnst 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munnst Posted July 9, 2022 Author Share Posted July 9, 2022 (edited) Trying to work out the actual colours for the film `Einkels` is not easy as there seems to be little actual photographic evidence of the upper surfaces. Looking at the film doesn't help much either. The models seem to be in a two tone grey colour while the film is more a olive green, dark green colour? So I decided to make my own colours using film stills which seem good to my eyes. Enamel Humbrol and Revell using a random selection of grey, green and yellow. I like it. Others may not. Unless someone can come up with the actual colour mix I'm happy with it. Edited July 9, 2022 by munnst 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malpaso Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 On 6/16/2022 at 10:41 AM, munnst said: Yes they used twin seater Buchons painted as Spitfires for filming and single seaters for filling in. I guess the Buchon looked more like a Hurricane than a Spitfire? You can also see the remnants of Spanish markings on some of the Einkels and one still has it's underslung target winch. I've also seen orange life jackets stowed in the nose of one but not sure if that made it on screen? They had two 2-seater Spitfires that were used occasionally as camera ships, the Buchons painted as RAF were just background fillers for aerial Hurricane scenes. That said I think RAF-Buchons appeared in some paella-war films* and as mustangs! *There’s a whole genre of 60s/70s war films made by various European studios, comparable to the “spaghetti-western” style. Worth looking out for some on channels like Movies-for-Men, though it’s usually a challenge to endure a whole movie! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munnst Posted July 9, 2022 Author Share Posted July 9, 2022 I also visited Uxbridge to see the Battle of Britain Bunker. My `Einkels` may have been depicted in this `Sep 15th` raid? "Yes I confirm Stanmore, no IFF" 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munnst Posted September 5, 2022 Author Share Posted September 5, 2022 Any ideas what's causing this and suggestions on better colours? Two questions. Why is this happening and why are the colours so wrong for a Battle of Britain daylight Heinkel? The kit is Airfix new tool He111P. Paint is Mission Models RLM 70 and 71. First off the colours seem wrong. It's almost a night bomber? Shouldn't RLM 70 be green? Second question why are my Tamiya masks staining the paint? The masks are not lifting the paint or leaving any residue. It's as if the glue on the mask is reacting with the paint and staining it where it touches? What make, colours of paint would you use and should I varnish the base colour to act as a barrier? Thanks. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
81-er Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 I've not had it myself, but I've seen other builds where the adhesive on the tape has reacted with the paint under, if the paint was fairly fresh. How long had you left it between spraying the RLM70 and masking over it? James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munnst Posted September 5, 2022 Author Share Posted September 5, 2022 20 minutes ago, 81-er said: I've not had it myself, but I've seen other builds where the adhesive on the tape has reacted with the paint under, if the paint was fairly fresh. How long had you left it between spraying the RLM70 and masking over it? James At least 48 hours if not longer. I'm a slow model maker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 On 5/15/2021 at 3:37 AM, Michou said: A "Heinkel" on a grey Sunday morning at Bovingdon,1968. Mike I was fortunate to fly in one of these used in the film in the mid 90s to late 90 in Canada. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marklo Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 (edited) Those colours do look a bit off. 70/71 should be well more green. For luftwaffe I’ve gotten good results with hitaka paints for late war schemes and just Tamiya black green and flat green in various mixes on earlier builds. This would be by bob 109e in 02/71 camo. Edited September 5, 2022 by Marklo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
81-er Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 19 minutes ago, munnst said: At least 48 hours if not longer. I'm a slow model maker. I would have thought it would have been well and truly safe by then, though I've not used that brand of paint. Maybe try some tests on a scrap model and different paints/tapes? James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munnst Posted September 15, 2022 Author Share Posted September 15, 2022 Been having a bit of `fun` with the paint colours for the two film `Einkels`. First attempts at mixing my own colours to match didn't end well. This is after sanding back. Looks a bit Condor Legion to me? Then I tried mission model RLM 70,71. Colours more suited to the Blitz than the BoB? The tape also reacted with the paint? Oh well, back with the wet n dry again. Mission model paints sort of wash off which is a bit weird? I kind of like the effect though. Now I'm trying Humbrol 116. It's a lot greener in real life. Onward and upwards.... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munnst Posted October 29, 2022 Author Share Posted October 29, 2022 Spanish Heinkel painted up as the museum exhibit. Battle of Britian film Einkels. Painted, glossed and with dot oil filters to tone down the camo and give a theatrical feel to them. First one is weathered. Second one still to do. You can see the effect of the filters. Soon have these finished then onto the B25. I have never seen a `Wing Leader` actually in the film I represented one for the "Stripes on the wing, that's a wing leader" scene. "That's three of you who got him. Third of a kill laddy, third" 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
81-er Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 The difference between the before & after the filters is quite impressive James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k5054nz Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 On 10/30/2022 at 12:26 AM, munnst said: Battle of Britian film Einkels. They're Messerschmitts! 😄 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munnst Posted July 8, 2023 Author Share Posted July 8, 2023 Started work on the next Battle of Britain aircraft the B25 camera ship `Psychedelic Monster`. Major assemblies completed. This is an old Italeri kit so not much detail. I've sanded the raised panels lines down a bit and modified the nose glazing to match as closely as possible the camera ship nose. Apart from a dome at the tip and some windows most of the nose is metal so will be painted over. I've modified the tail for the camera mount which still needs some work and a frame. Plunge moulded a nose dome using a marble. Sanding the late variant engine cowlings for the smoother ones fitted to this aircraft. I shall scratch some fittings for the nose and a couple of cameras. Still need to fill the cannon nose mounts and make another dome for the top turret. "Easier than shooting rats in a barrel" 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
621Andy Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 11 minutes ago, munnst said: Started work on the next Battle of Britain aircraft the B25 camera ship `Psychedelic Monster`. Major assemblies completed. This is an old Italeri kit so not much detail. I've sanded the raised panels lines down a bit and modified the nose glazing to match as closely as possible the camera ship nose. Apart from a dome at the tip and some windows most of the nose is metal so will be painted over. I've modified the tail for the camera mount which still needs some work and a frame. Plunge moulded a nose dome using a marble. Sanding the late variant engine cowlings for the smoother ones fitted to this aircraft. I shall scratch some fittings for the nose and a couple of cameras. Still need to fill the cannon nose mounts and make another dome for the top turret. "Easier than shooting rats in a barrel" I've been pondering doing one of the TallMantz B-25s too...Interesting! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2996 Victor Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 18 minutes ago, munnst said: "Easier than shooting rats in a barrel" "You'll be in a barrel if you don't watch out for the fighters!" Nice progress on this project, something a bit different! Cheers, Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 will follow your build, great work on the H111 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2996 Victor Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 I meant to add that the Einkels are looking great! But I like the EdA version in ins aluminium over blue scheme..... "Tomate Eins an alle. Tomate Eins an alle" 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete in Lincs Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 Great to see you back with this thread. It will be good to see The Monster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munnst Posted August 12, 2023 Author Share Posted August 12, 2023 Lots of activity but not a lot to show for it. Mostly sanding, fettling, prepping ready for painting. Still lots to do. I managed to plunge mould the mid upper dome using a clay shaping tool. These tools come in a variety of shapes and sizes. I find the round ones particularly useful. These are my plunge moulding tools. I mount a clay tool firmly in a vice. I wrap white tape around the middle as best I can. This gives a line I can use to cut out the shape. I then gently heat some clear packaging plastic. This seems to work better than clear plastic card which goes white when heated (so save all that packaging which is becoming harder to find). I heat until it starts to smell plasticky :-). Then I quickly pull it down over the tool. Using the white tape as a guide gently score the plastic with a Swan and Morton 10a and the dome will sort of pop off. I then sand the cut gently. I also made some progress on the tail camera mounting. I broke the original which was fortunate as I was able to make a better one. This will eventually have side windows. Made some cameras. These are just approximations as in this scale I don't think it will matter. Thanks for looking. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
81-er Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 That dome fits beautifully. I reckon the cameras are more than up to the detail required too James 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody37 Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 Just come across this, brilliant! I'm on for the ride now! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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