leyreynolds Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 Are there any references explaining the evolution of RNAS nationality markings please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 The only one I know of is an old Airfix modelling magazine It might be the December 1967 issue. I would need to check it though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Swindell Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 If you can find a copy, I'd suggest WWI British Aeroplane Colours And Markings Windsock Fabric Special No. 2 by Bruce Robertson https://www.abebooks.co.uk/9780948414657/WWI-British-Aeroplane-Colours-Markings-0948414650/plp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehed Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 I picked this up from The Aerodrome web site a few years ago. The contributor was Steve Lawson. On 26 June 1915 the Joint Services Committee ordered that aircraft should employ fuselage roundels. The RNAS used red ring devices, with either CDL or white centres up to 1 November 1915 when red, white and blue were stipulated. Wing roundels followed the same patterns. The RNAS added a blue central ring in similar fashion to French aircraft and aircraft sporting these markings remained active well into 1916. There was a gradual change to the RFC type roundel of outer blue, white and red until it predominated as all new aircraft would have been so marked at the factory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leyreynolds Posted May 3, 2021 Author Share Posted May 3, 2021 Thanks for all the info'. Ley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 Prior to 1915 and adoption of roundels. When they arrived in France RNAS wore nothing except the airframe number. Then they had the Union Flag marked underneath the wings and the fuselage sides. If there was no linen on the fuselage the Union Flag was painted on the rudder. Because of too many 'friendly' fire incidents by ground forces due to the crosses in the Union Flag being mistaken for the German cross the British looked at adopting roundels as were being used by the French but in reversed colour order. By this time the RNAS had already adopted a red ring marking and just added a dark blue centre. When the red (centre)/white/blue roundel became standard the RFC had a 1 inch wide border to it on PC10 coloured aircraft but the RNAS roundels did not have this. The RFC painted the rudder stripes, equal width, blue (leading)/white/red. The RNAS did the same but also painted the elevators the same way. The markings were always changing, it was fluid. There were many differences and inconsistencies. Thus one needs to check a subject by a photo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leyreynolds Posted May 3, 2021 Author Share Posted May 3, 2021 Thanks that's very informative and answers my questions. Ley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detail is everything Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 Some other reference sources articles on RNAS markings & camouflage No's. 61-63 AVIATION HISTORY COLOURING BOOK series history of aircraft identity markings pt1 AUG 05 SCALE AVIATION MODELLER INTERNATIONAL history of aircraft identity markings pt2 SEP 05 SCALE AVIATION MODELLER INTERNATIONAL admiralty red ring marking article JAN 80 SCALE AIRCRAFT MODELLING WW1 RNAS camouflage and markings notes p35 BOOK AIRCRAFT CAMOUFLAGE AND MARKINGS 1907-54 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leyreynolds Posted May 16, 2021 Author Share Posted May 16, 2021 Thanks I'll chase them up. Ley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alancmlaird Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 On 5/3/2021 at 1:40 AM, Black Knight said: The RFC painted the rudder stripes, equal width, blue (leading)/white/red. The RNAS did the same but also painted the elevators the same way. Tricolor elevator stripes (matching the rudder stripes) were a sign ofa Beardmore-built aircraft, whether RFC (BE2Cs particularly) or RNAS (Pups, 2F1 Camels). I do not think other manufacturers perpetrated this non-standard affectation, at least, I have never encountered one. Just to be 'clear' (no pun intended), Beardmore's seemed to introduce this elevator striping after the introduction of PC10 upper surfaces, and not on earlier clear-doped production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Thompson Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 17 minutes ago, alancmlaird said: Tricolor elevator stripes (matching the rudder stripes) were a sign ofa Beardmore-built aircraft, whether RFC (BE2Cs particularly) or RNAS (Pups, 2F1 Camels). I do not think other manufacturers perpetrated this non-standard affectation, at least, I have never encountered one. Just to be 'clear' (no pun intended), Beardmore's seemed to introduce this elevator striping after the introduction of PC10 upper surfaces, and not on earlier clear-doped production. N6000, the RNAS DH4 I just finished a model of had tricolour elevator stripes, and it was Westland built. Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alancmlaird Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 3 hours ago, Paul Thompson said: N6000, the RNAS DH4 I just finished a model of had tricolour elevator stripes, and it was Westland built. Paul. I knew someone would come up with the exceptions to my 'rule'! That's really interesting - I will be searching all my books and mags for other occurences now. The converse might be true too - Beardmores without the elevator stripes. More research needed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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