Jump to content

Concorde prototypes 001 and 002 - fin question


Recommended Posts

I am building the original Airfix Concorde (Air France 60s livery) as one of the prototypes.   I know the real thing had a fairing each side of the fin, presumably to cover the rudder actuator.   However, looking at pics, it seems that, for some of the time,  they had two fairings each side of the fin.   They are not there now on the preserved airframes but what were they and when were the fitted and removed, please?  Test equipment?   Were they only removed on retirement?

 

Here's pics of 002's fin to show what I mean.

spacer.png

 

David

Link to post
Share on other sites

Hello, David

Auxiliary rudder actuator, perhaps? That fairing seems to be present on some photos and missing on others of the same aircraft. There is a large photo of G-BSST flying, seconds before landing, with only one fairing on the port side of the vertical tail, in Aircraft Profile publication booklet by Norman Barfield.

I do not want to interfere with your build but ill-fated Concorde type 101 F-BTSC was originally delivered as type 100 F-WTSC to Aerospatiale and used for air route proving, operational evaluation and PR work (appeared in Airport 79 movie) for quite some time. In this period, she had been painted in the old Air France livery:

 

fbtsc8.jpg

 

I found the photo above on this very useful Concorde webpage. There are three other photos of the aircraft in this livery on that page, and none of them shows the additional fairings. Cheers

Jure

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

Thanks, Jure.  I agree F-BTSC looks lovely in the old Air France livery.   I can't build mine in that as the kit is of the prototype, not the production, Concorde.

 

David

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

Thats part of the fun in building prototypes David, they morph all time. Drop a line to Filton or BAe Heritage, they may be able to help.

 

My Airfix 1/144 Concorde fell on my doormat today, happy days.

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
12 hours ago, David Womby said:

Thanks, Jure.  I agree F-BTSC looks lovely in the old Air France livery.   I can't build mine in that as the kit is of the prototype, not the production, Concorde.

 

David

I don't know if you're aware David but, the original 1966 kit was also released (in 1969) with  Air France markings. Unfortunately, examples of that particular kit now go for totally silly money.

John

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, Beermonster1958 said:

I don't know if you're aware David but, the original 1966 kit was also released (in 1969) with  Air France markings. Unfortunately, examples of that particular kit now go for totally silly money.

John

 

John,  that's the kit I am building. I've owned it over 50 years.    The collectors will not get this one.   Airfix plan to reissue it this year with BOAC decals but I'm building mine as one of the prototypes.

 

spacer.png

spacer.png

 

spacer.png

 

David

  • Like 4
Link to post
Share on other sites
43 minutes ago, David Womby said:

John,  that's the kit I am building. I've owned it over 50 years.    The collectors will not get this one.   Airfix plan to reissue it this year with BOAC decals but I'm building mine as one of the prototypes.

 

spacer.png

spacer.png

 

spacer.png

 

David

I got the same under construction at the time.

I will finish mine as shown on the box just for the fun of it.

Its wrong of course,but at the time of its release,it seemed to go look that way,when Airfix was releasing this kit.

I am also trying to use the kits decals where possible and add the rest and some details from my spares.

 

I guess the prototypes changed much during their testings,so my guess is,whatever you plan to do,will be right.You may just have to pick a timeframe of the aircraft you are building.The kits parts seem ok for early tests.

Looking forward to the prototype of yours

Alex

  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites

The Airfix repop with BOAC decals is now available - my two arrived yesterday.

  • Like 3
Link to post
Share on other sites
5 hours ago, David Womby said:

John,  that's the kit I am building. I've owned it over 50 years.    The collectors will not get this one.   Airfix plan to reissue it this year with BOAC decals but I'm building mine as one of the prototypes.

 

spacer.png

spacer.png

 

spacer.png

 

David

Good for you David.  I'm lucky enough to own one as well. It's not getting sold either! 👍😊.

I will be using the Air France Decals which, despite their age are in very good shape.

I have ordered 6 of the reissued Airfix kits!! 😂

I have a number of projects in mind, one of which will be for the German SST that featured on the TV series "Man in the High Castle".

I'd hoped Airfix might include Air France as an option for the Vintage Classic reissue but, can't have everything! 😊

John.

  • Like 3
Link to post
Share on other sites

Does anyone know of plans for aftermarket 001 or 002 decals?

 

I just bought 2 kits in the hope they have!

Link to post
Share on other sites

F-DCAL offer sheets for both prototypes


David

Link to post
Share on other sites

Thanks chaps.

 

G-BSST and a Negus scheme sheet ordered for my 2 Concordes. 

 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
On 4/17/2021 at 4:45 AM, David Womby said:

However, looking at pics, it seems that, for some of the time,  they had two fairings each side of the fin.   They are not there now on the preserved airframes but what were they and when were the fitted and removed, please?

 

Just a suggestion but the only thing that would make sense to me would be if the upper and lower sections of the rudder were separately actuated on the prototypes. Was this perhaps trialed initially? There is a prominent panel line across the middle of the rudder ....

Link to post
Share on other sites

Since the extra fairings move around and don't reach the rudder part of the fin I assumed that they were some sort of antennas or test equipment.

Link to post
Share on other sites
16 hours ago, At Sea said:

Does anyone know of plans for aftermarket 001 or 002 decals?

 

I just bought 2 kits in the hope they have!

I am working on a laser sheet for the prototypes :)

  • Like 5
Link to post
Share on other sites
14 hours ago, Orso said:

Since the extra fairings move around and don't reach the rudder part of the fin I assumed that they were some sort of antennas or test equipment.

I think you must be right but the 'temporary' ones are situated directly opposite the true actuators.  Probably for aerodynamic reasons?

 

David

3 hours ago, The Tomohawk Kid said:

The Airfix kit as pictured up thread, is more the concept design rather than the prototype.

 

Tommo.

True but it's close enough for my purposes.

 

David

Link to post
Share on other sites

Yes - the Airfix kit was based on the various artists impressions that were released before the prototypes started flying. However, the kit features two key features of the prototypes, the short tail cone and the solid visor.

  • Like 3
Link to post
Share on other sites

My Airfix Concorde arrived yesterday. Airfix are showing the years 1966 and 2020 on the box.

 

The prototype flew on 2 March 1969. I'm not sure exactly when in 1966 the kit was first released. The French Concorde prototype had been assembled by 1967 and was rolled out to the press in December of that year. So at least, Airfix would have (possibly) seen some images of the almost assembled prototype before they finalised their moulds. 

Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, Eric Mc said:

My Airfix Concorde arrived yesterday. Airfix are showing the years 1966 and 2020 on the box.

 

The prototype flew on 2 March 1969. I'm not sure exactly when in 1966 the kit was first released. The French Concorde prototype had been assembled by 1967 and was rolled out to the press in December of that year. So at least, Airfix would have (possibly) seen some images of the almost assembled prototype before they finalised their moulds. 

 

It was available for Easter 1966.

 

Tommo.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
×
×
  • Create New...