Terry1954 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 6 minutes ago, perdu said: (Cant wait for him to finish the Hawks and get on with building the Jagwarr!) Something in my water tells me it could be a while .................. just saying. Terry 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 I can't wait. I am bl+++ old, if he don't get a move on... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritag Posted August 31, 2021 Author Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) I'd say that folks wos casting defamatory dispersions (sic) if they didn't have a defence of 'Truth' available...... (For the avoidance of doubt I express no opinion on whether or not Bill is "bl+++ old' - although I observe that he's got a darned sight more energy than many as is ostensibly not "bl+++ old") PS. As it 'appens - if I could source a grey/light grey very fine permanent marker (sharpie or the like) I feel like I might (as in there's a chance) dabble with the hawks a bit more. Edited August 31, 2021 by Fritag Added PS 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 45 minutes ago, Fritag said: I'd say that folks wos casting defamatory dispersions (sic) if they didn't have a defence of 'Truth' available...... (For the avoidance of doubt I express no opinion on whether or not Bill is "bl+++ old' - although I observe that he's got a darned sight more energy than many as is ostensibly not "bl+++ old") PS. As it 'appens - if I could source a grey/light grey very fine permanent marker (sharpie or the like) I feel like I might (as in there's a chance) dabble with the hawks a bit more. Speaking as a satisfied owner of a Pilot fine marker in a superbly refined grey ink range may I suggest m'learned friend take a butcher's at eBay which is where I got mine (0.05 I think, skinny enough?) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 I take it all back! Tain't a Pilot at all Unipin I understand OTHER colourways might be available too. It writes and draws in a most satisfactory manner, returning fine line excellence, when I can stop the doddery old hand shaking m'lud. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/192678209312 Sepia light grey dark grey and of course black. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritag Posted August 31, 2021 Author Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) Does them work on plastic Bill? Thoughts are of drawing MDC lines on canopies. I’ve somewhat lost faith in my previous idea of using home-brew etched MDC; notwithstanding having spent ages producing a few frets…. Edited August 31, 2021 by Fritag Further explanation 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Good idea, yes they work on plastic although I haven't tried MDC lines on clear stuff It seems to be a spirit based ink so I cannot see why not For interest I have just (3mins ago) ordered the 0.05 sepia and light grey, due in 3 days, so I can advise later if you don't want to take a punt on it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritag Posted August 31, 2021 Author Share Posted August 31, 2021 Many thanks Bill, Have taken a punt myself; light grey and dark grey 0.1mm/0.5mm. If they don’t write nicely on clear plastic then they’ll still be jolly useful for real life stuff 59 minutes ago, perdu said: Pilot fine marker in a superbly refined grey ink range may I suggest m'learned friend take a butcher's at eBay 24 minutes ago, perdu said: I take it all back! Tain't a Pilot at all Unipin That’s summat of a relief. I thought that ebay/amazon/google were conspiring for unknown reasons to deny me access to Pilot fine markers! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 24 minutes ago, Fritag said: Thoughts are of drawing MDC lines on canopies. I just took a peek at your fine pair of JP's as my memory was telling the 5 had MDC on it - and sure enough it did. It is very clear in the RFI 15th and 16th pics down. Don't know what you used then, but I'd say repeat repeat repeat! Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritag Posted August 31, 2021 Author Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Terry1954 said: Don't know what you used then, but I'd say repeat repeat repeat! Ah now. That was fine copper wire bent to shape around a jig. But the Hawk MDC is a way more complicated shape and much larger and I didn’t think that making a jig and/or bending wire would be practicable - hence the thought of etching some MDC. But with the perspective of time I can see that my home-brew etching efforts aren’t as fine as I’d ideally want - so I’m thinking again…. Edited August 31, 2021 by Fritag 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Trained ants or spiders... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 29 minutes ago, Fritag said: Ah now. That was fine copper wire bent to shape around a jig. Yes, i did check that JP thread further and saw the ref to wire. And i agree, as good as Fritag etch is, that Hawk MDC etch doesn't cut the mustard when compared with the wire. I reckon you will be hard pressed to match that, it looks sooo bl***y good! Terry 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_alfisti_ Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Stunning thread, just scrolled through all 13 sites and really enjoyed your detailing work and paint skills. The hint with the jig for the MDC is worth to be remembered, will try this one one of my next projects. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Trained ants or spiders... Just thinking, a man we know overseas in The America's has just 3D printed 'rubber' window seals which are impossibly lovely, for a helicopter's cabin windows. Would that technology further enhance MDC production for Hawk type aircraft cockpit modelling? I wonder... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandy Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, hendie said: they may be small, are always worth the wait I had a girlfriend like that once! But I digress. More fine detailing which has, indeed, been worth the wait. As will the detail on the Hawks when we see them again, and what a wait THAT has been! As for the MDC, presumably home brewed decals have already been ruled out? Seems they would be far easier to get right than freehand drawing. Or even a silhouette cutter! Ian Edited August 31, 2021 by Brandy 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 3 hours ago, Fritag said: Does them work on plastic Bill? Thoughts are of drawing MDC lines on canopies. Acetate reject from Brumbus1 Dark Grey left, Black (obvs) right 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendie Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 hour ago, perdu said: a man we know overseas in The America's All he needs is a nod, and a few key dimensions. No guarantee it will work but nothing to lose by trying it is there? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Does this work? Just as a concept purrups. Steve? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritag Posted August 31, 2021 Author Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Terry1954 said: And i agree, as good as Fritag etch is, that Hawk MDC etch doesn't cut the mustard when compared with the wire Don't you sugar-coat it for me Terry will you? Trouble one is that it's probably fair comment Trouble two is that IIRC after a trial or two I just didn't think that wire was feasible with the extent and complexity of the Hawk MDC. 4 hours ago, Brandy said: As for the MDC, presumably home brewed decals have already been ruled out? Seems they would be far easier to get right than freehand drawing. Or even a silhouette cutter! I did think about home-brew decals back in the day but didn't think I could hide the excess decal film. But seeing as time has almost erased the memory of the various options I considered, I guess that nothing now is ruled out 4 hours ago, perdu said: Just thinking, a man we know overseas in The America's has just 3D printed 'rubber' window seals which are impossibly lovely, for a helicopter's cabin windows. Would that technology further enhance MDC production for Hawk type aircraft cockpit modelling? I wonder... Shhhh Bill, you can't go dropping (not even) thinly disguised hints like that 3 hours ago, hendie said: All he needs is a nod, and a few key dimensions. No guarantee it will work but nothing to lose by trying it is there? Or perhaps you can Bill Alan, how about a subtle, almost diffident nod? An archetypal British, semi-embarrassed at asking anyone to do anything, ready to pretend nothing was in fact asked for nod? - with equally semi-embarrassed and over-the-top expressions of gratitude held in reserve just in case....Phew - that was stressful......(Also - and cue more archetypal British diffidence - my guess is that it's probably too fine a task for the printer so please don't waste any time or material on it). And you may be surprised to hear that there's no real hurry 3 hours ago, perdu said: Does this work? I did the graphics for the etch using the Apple 'Graphic' App on my iPad and have somehow failed to save the file (I seem to have lost the Hawk vortex generator graphics file too - altho' I did save the Buccaneer vortex generators ) However I do have a JPEG file of the MDC albeit that it doesn't have any dimensions on - It may print out on to A4 the correct size (I may even have used the JPEG to print the actual etch films) , but I can in any event do some good old fashion measuring of the physical product. Added by edit: For correct scaling the distance between the centres of the crosses inside the circles is exactly 45mm. That’s the distance horizontally between the crosses either side of the artwork and vertically between the crosses on the top and bottom of the artwork. Any good? 3 hours ago, perdu said: Acetate reject from Brumbus1 Dark Grey left, Black (obvs) right Hopeful that. I can't get into trouble for thread drift on my own thread can I? - It's all right for you Bill as you don't really like Spitfires anyway! Edited August 31, 2021 by Fritag Added dimensions 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 56 minutes ago, Fritag said: Alan, how about a subtle, almost diffident nod? An archetypal British, semi-embarrassed at asking anyone to do anything, ready to pretend nothing was in fact asked for nod? - with equally semi-embarrassed and over-the-top expressions of gratitude held in reserve just in case....Phew - that was stressful...... Maybe sometimes you need to be less British and more .... I don't know .... Italian, maybe? Just ask, this place is full of people willing to help! (and I love it for that!) Ciao 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Fritag said: Trouble two is that IIRC after a trial or two I just didn't think that wire was feasible with the extent and complexity of the Hawk MDC, I can see how much more complex the front part of the Hawk would be if you were to try and bend the wire as one piece, but a problem halved....... Could two pieces of wire like the above be joined on the centre line? Probably would have to be on placement, but a tiny dob of solder might work pre placement. That sorts the front, and the rear MDC is just a teeny weeny bit more complex than one of the pair on the JP............. 🤔 Actually as I type this, another idea....... use the etch as the template to bend the wire - pins in all internal corners? At this point you have no doubt realised that I have no concept of how thin that wire is or that I have no idea what I am talking about! 1 hour ago, Fritag said: altho' I did save the Buccaneer vortex generators Did you catch that one lads, looks like our grandchildren are in for a treat after the Jaguar! Terry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles87 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 I seem to have stumbled into another thread ( or it may be the 5.00 am rises because of a sickly horse ), but I didn’t realise that Spitfires had MDCs! 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Temporal dilation Happens round here all the time... 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Horses? Here? Ah yes temporal dilithium, happens all the... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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