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5 hours ago, hopkp said:

I'd really be very interested to know how well all of those 'classic' kits are selling and to whom. I built pretty much all of them in my youth as did any of my friends who are into modelling and none of us have any interest in revisiting them now, either out of nostalgia or for any other reason. Life's simply too short at this stage (we've all seen our 60th birthdays come and go) and there are far too many more recent kits out there still to be built to waste time re-doing all of the old stuff.

 

Genuinely puzzled as to what market they're aimed at.....

 

I've bought some, and I'll be 60 this year. It's not been out of nostalgia but because (a) the subject appeals to me and (b) I prefer simpler kits in any case. Oh, and (c): I'm tightfisted. So I've laid in 7 or 8 Demons as a basis for modelling other Hart variants, though I already had an Osprey and Hector in the stash. I bought the Jetstream (which I never had in the old days) because I wanted a Jetstream to fit into a 1970s RAF theme, and I'ld have bought the Dominie if I hadn't already got one. Similarly, the Matador and 5.5" gun for a collection of late war British AFVs and vehicles. I do wonder why anybody would buy some of the other stuff that's been reissued, though. The Panther is a good example: it's a piece of old junk and much better renditions are available. Even the Armourfast kit aimed at wargamers will give you a better model, doesn't cost much more and you get two in the box. Although I model WW2 British warships, I've got no interest in the ones in the classic range because (excepting HMS Belfast) I think they're overpriced for what they are, plus 1/600 has become an 'oddball' scale and I prefer waterline models.

 

I also bought several examples of the Revell B-47 when they did a programme of reissuing classic kits, a good few years ago now, together with the 1/78 Rotodyne and the ex-Matchbox Heyford. Again, because the subjects appealed. But I couldn't tell you why I bought the box scale B-57, given that I had two Airfix ones in the stash. It looks cool built up, though!

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6 hours ago, hopkp said:

I'd really be very interested to know how well all of those 'classic' kits are selling and to whom. I built pretty much all of them in my youth as did any of my friends who are into modelling and none of us have any interest in revisiting them now, either out of nostalgia or for any other reason. Life's simply too short at this stage (we've all seen our 60th birthdays come and go) and there are far too many more recent kits out there still to be built to waste time re-doing all of the old stuff.

 

Genuinely puzzled as to what market they're aimed at.....

 

 

I've been building a few Airfix Vintage Classics recently. I've done few of the Matchbox/Revell ones too. They've been relaxing and fun to do in between 'proper' projects which invariably involve greater expense and a degree of stress. 

 

In fact, I'm increasingly drawn to those older kits - aircraft and AFVs - which remind me of earlier, more carefree days of modelling. Nostalgia yes, and maybe because life simply is too short.😀

 

 

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On 4/9/2021 at 5:19 PM, Eric Mc said:

I truly hate posts like this. They are just idle gossip and bring nothing of value to any discussion. 

 

If someone has definitive news and evidence to back it up, fair enough. But just throwing a dangerous rumour out into the void is downright irresponsible, in my opinion.

 

LOL. The forum is called the "rumourmonger" after all!

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9 hours ago, hopkp said:

I'd really be very interested to know how well all of those 'classic' kits are selling and to whom. I built pretty much all of them in my youth as did any of my friends who are into modelling and none of us have any interest in revisiting them now, either out of nostalgia or for any other reason. Life's simply too short at this stage (we've all seen our 60th birthdays come and go) and there are far too many more recent kits out there still to be built to waste time re-doing all of the old stuff.

 

Genuinely puzzled as to what market they're aimed at.....

 

I'm not puzzled at all. I'll happily buy them. The market they are aiming for is clearly the one (like me) that is buying these kits. They wouldn't sell them otherwise.😉😂

If you're not interested, fair enough. Just move on. I don't really see what age has to do with it.

I'm 63 this year and, frankly I prefer working on these older kits and, doing a bit of proper work bringing them up to a decent standard.

Its a lot more fun than a lot of over priced, over detailed current kits that require little effort other than just pouring paint and glue in at one end and, tipping a model out the other! 😉😂
 Time spent on building these old kits is not time wasted. Not in my view anyway because it helps me maintain such skills as I have.

I simply don't have the money to buy many brand new kits so, most of my purchases are old, second hand kits anyway.

The only "reason" I need is because I enjoy doing it. Nothing to do with nostalgia. Also, it's worth pointing out that (1) a lot of the older kits you dismiss may not have a modern tooling available , (2) selling "vintage classics" (if I may use the term) is a nice little earner for the manufacturer who then  has an additional source of income that can be used to help facilitate the production of the more modern kits you prefer. (3)Even if there is a modern tool of an old kit, it may be priced beyond the point of affordability for many customers. So, having a vintage kit available at least gives them the opportunity to build such a subject.

 Ultimately, its a matter of choice. Nobody is forced to buy any older kits and, I respect your personal choice to stick with newer items.

 

John (steadily working his way through the Airfix Vintage Classics range and, eagerly awaiting 6 pre ordered 1967 Airfix Concorde! 😂)

 

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On 4/9/2021 at 6:56 AM, LanceB said:

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13 hours ago, hopkp said:

I'd really be very interested to know how well all of those 'classic' kits are selling and to whom. I built pretty much all of them in my youth as did any of my friends who are into modelling and none of us have any interest in revisiting them now, either out of nostalgia or for any other reason. Life's simply too short at this stage (we've all seen our 60th birthdays come and go) and there are far too many more recent kits out there still to be built to waste time re-doing all of the old stuff.

 

Genuinely puzzled as to what market they're aimed at.....

 

Monogram represents the best quality vs cost that ever existed in this hobby. At 55 years old I absolutely love building some of their kits. And while I’ve built a lot of their kits I still haven’t built them all. Sad that they haven’t rebounded the way airfix has

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I agree Monogram classics are fun and yield a pretty nice result pretty quickly- ideal if painting rather than building is your thing.

 

as for the classic kits not all of us are over 60 yet! I’m 45 and I’m buying them either through nostalgia to rebuild kits I made as a kid or to build those I didn’t or indeed those that wmhavent been available for a while. They’d stated that Airfix vintage classics were to test the market and they’ve issued a load more so they ARE popular! I couldn’t get a Jetstream or Dominie for ages at my LHS when they were first released and they kept on selling out!

 

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This is probably off-topic and I haven't even read through all the previous posts, but: I've browsed through evilbay dot uk/de/it whatever there are, looking for more of the wonderful Revell 1:72 Ju 88 A-4 kits of the "recent" tooling and I get 😠 for all the idiots shooting our hobby in its own legs by trying to sell the half a century old Revell Ju 88 A-4/D-1 for all those who don't know their huge difference - for the same 20€+ price, fGs! Shame yourselves!

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14 hours ago, tonyp said:

 

LOL. The forum is called the "rumourmonger" after all!

😂 I was immediately reminded of this post from the Wingnut Wings thread (my emphasis):

I will unlock this or people to comment, but no speculation, rumours etc  please (and yes

I know its the rumor section but for good rumours)

Julien

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I listen to all the model podcasts as well and theres nothing but praise/nostalgia for the Monogram 48th kits.

 

I can happily overlooks raised panel lines and some basic details for a nicely shaped century series fighter.

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6 hours ago, Phas3e said:

I listen to all the model podcasts as well and theres nothing but praise/nostalgia for the Monogram 48th kits.

 

I can happily overlooks raised panel lines and some basic details for a nicely shaped century series fighter.

Their F-101,F-102, F-105 and, F-106 all worked for me!!

John

 

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On 4/9/2021 at 5:25 AM, spruecutter96 said:

According to a post on Large Scale Planes, Revell Germany are planning to bring their model production to a close in the next few years.

These are definitely NOT good news.

 

Our hobby is in a serious decline and unless we do something about it on a personal level (e.g., engage kids, nephews, and their friends with our hobby), we will also follow Revell's path (I can't say to what extent but, I see it coming with all these news that I read over the past decade or, so).

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On 4/10/2021 at 2:42 AM, hopkp said:

I'd really be very interested to know how well all of those 'classic' kits are selling and to whom.

 

Genuinely puzzled as to what market they're aimed at.....

Me. They're aimed at me. I love making older/obsolete kits and pulling them up to modern standards. I'm 100% behind @Corsairfoxfouruncle here, often these old releases are the only option for the scale and subject, and even if they aren't, the prohibitive price of the new-tool releases from east of here still makes them attractive. Chuck in the excellent new decals Revell provide and they stand up really well if you're willing to put the work in.

 

If it wasn't for Revell I fear I might not have a hobby anymore...😭

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22 hours ago, tonyp said:

 

LOL. The forum is called the "rumourmonger" after all!

I don't find it anything to laugh about. Speculating about possible future releases is one thing (and I expect what this forum was set up to do), but speculating about the strategic business plans of a company can be very dangerous - especially if the rumours are of a negative nature.

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41 minutes ago, Shalako said:

Our hobby is in a serious decline

Is it? As a fairly recent returnee it seems to be thriving compared to the state of things 20 or so years ago

 

Cheers

 

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I don’t get this “our hobby is in serious decline” view... there are more kits of more subjects from more manufacturers now than I can remember at any time. Sure, there may not be a model shop on every small town high street, and plastic kits in village post offices, but when did you last see a fishing tackle shop, an independent sports shop or a record shop with racks of vinyl? This hobby will see me out, and if the kids are 3D printing hoverboard parts by then, good luck to them, I say...

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1 hour ago, Shalako said:

These are definitely NOT good news.

 

Our hobby is in a serious decline and unless we do something about it on a personal level (e.g., engage kids, nephews, and their friends with our hobby), we will also follow Revell's path (I can't say to what extent but, I see it coming with all these news that I read over the past decade or, so).

Sorry but, I just can't accept that.

Quite the reverse in fact. Our hobby is thriving as never before with new manufacturers /products being introduced regularly and, faster than I can count.

I don't know where you get the impression that the hobby is "in decline". Do you have any tangible evidence to support this?

Sure, the market itself may be changing but, it's still there and, doing very nicely.

I really don't get the "engage kids, nephews and friends" bit. It's not necessary. People will make their own choices and, as for "the kids", we'll they may not be interested but, they grow into adults who will have money in their hands and, be looking for hobbies to fill their spare time.

I am retired and, am enjoying the hobby as never before.😉😊

 

John

 

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18 hours ago, Uncle Dick said:

Even if they did cease production, someone will buy their moulds and toolings and repop them in time...and so forth et al 

 

Quite a few Britmodellers could invest to form a business, buy Revell’s stuff and churn out Britmodellor kits? But we’d make no money because we’d be the ones buying them 

 

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2 hours ago, Shalako said:

These are definitely NOT good news.

 

Our hobby is in a serious decline and unless we do something about it on a personal level (e.g., engage kids, nephews, and their friends with our hobby), we will also follow Revell's path (I can't say to what extent but, I see it coming with all these news that I read over the past decade or, so).

The hobby is in decline is an attitude that originated in the Late eighties/early nineties and those were dark times, very few new tool kits available and re-issues of 30 year old kits is what was available, the landscape is very different now, it seems every time i go online there is an announcement of a new kit or a new model company from the far east or ex communist block, the hobby is thriving now and we have greater choice than ever. i believe revell need to be brave like Airfix was a few years ago and separate their ranges into newer tooled kits and classics, revell have stung us all with a 40 year old kit in a new box . 

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1 hour ago, gavingav said:

. i believe revell need to be brave like Airfix was a few years ago and separate their ranges into newer tooled kits and classics, revell have stung us all with a 40 year old kit in a new box . 

A lesson every manufacturer should take to heart. I have absolutely no problem with 40 year old kits. A lot of them are still very good models and, in more than a few cases have no modern equivalent.

I do think however the customer is entitled to know what's inside the shiny new box.

Not everyone checks Scalemates.com and, that is not 100% reliable as a source of information anyway.

Airfix made the right decision with the Vintage Classics and, while I may question the pricing and, actual choice of subject, at least we all know what's there.

 

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27 minutes ago, Beermonster1958 said:

Airfix made the right decision with the Vintage Classics and, while I may question the pricing and, actual choice of subject, at least we all know what's there.

 

John

How much do you think a reissued kit should cost? Airfix do charge less for the Vintage Classics than for new kits of the same kit series, and although the tooling may have been made years ago, it may still need to be worked on to make it viable. All the other costs associated with production are going to be the same as for a new kit. so the fact that a Vintage Classic Bulldog is a quid less than a new tool Series 1 Spitfire seems reasonable - it's not going to be the 17p it was in 1971.

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16 minutes ago, Richard Humm said:

it's not going to be the 17p it was in 1971

The inflation calculator https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bills/article-1633409/Historic-inflation-calculator-value-money-changed-1900.html says it should be £2.75. Of course that's not quite fair as petroleum based products would have been hit much harder than average during the period.

 

Cheers

 

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Don't have a dog in this fight, and I know some won't like what I'm going to say. The original post was just a rumour from another source, right, wrong or indifferent, end of.

From what I've read so far it's modellers speaking as modellers........wrong. You have to put yourself in the shoes of the company, or more accurately their bean counters.

The reason for a take over is because someone has seen the chance of making a profit, this is the reason for every business in exsistence now, rather than to pander to the dictats of a very small minority. There used to be a thing called alturism, sadly, that's long gone in business. Some still play 'nicely', while others are quite blatant about profit.

 

With Airfix, ESCI, Revell etc; they have changed hands over the last 40 to 50 years many times. This means, each time, the 'new' owner has had to pay for 'company assets'.

Be it moulds, (both old and new) warehousing, desks, tables, chairs, yada, yada. What it means for modellers (and boy, do we have long memories!) is always to throw back that this kit was only XXX back in the day, why is it so expensive now?....their just taking the mick! It's an old tool, there's far better from ZZZ company, why didn't they xxxxxxxxxx OR xxxxxxxxxxx (insert your own phrases) with the moulds. Reason, because with the money already invested in the purchase a fast return is needed, get 'em into production ASAP. Old moulds never die, unless stored badly or become so worn it's not cost effective to repair, meaning that should a company decide to shift their target market or go for a different market altogether, guess what, they can and will, provided the numbers crunch correctly. Somewhere in the wings there will be another company that will decide, Hmm, we could make a profit from those and so the moulds will continue to be utilised.

 

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On 09/04/2021 at 14:18, Thomas V. said:

2. Sitting on huge number of excellent tools without  re-issuing them  ( Alouette II, Piper Super Cubs, F-86D, Rafale B, Ju 290, He 162, RF-4E, Bo 105, G.38, FW 200, SB2C-4,

    Hunter, Me 410, Seaking, F-101, F-89, Halifax etc... not to mention automotive related subjects...Isetta, Karman Ghia...

Not to mention the 1/144 A400M and 1/144 C17! Both current RAF types that I'd love to build and very hard to find in 1/144 now. 1/72 A400M is huge, bigger even than my 1/72 Airfix Victors so I'd prefer 1/144. And then there's a ton of 1/72 Luft'46 stuff, only the Ho229 reissued as far as I am aware. 

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For what it's worth, I've spoken to a couple of contacts in model shop retail, in the UK, who both stock a lot of Revell products (including all the paints etc). They haven't heard anything from their reps about anything like this and are probably two of the bigger UK accounts.

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