JWM Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 (edited) Hi I think to participate here with machines from Italian invasion on Abyssinia in 1935. First will be Fiat CR20, the predecessor of CR 32 in Fiat fighters family. Model is a injection short run by Kora in 1/72 I am about to do also Romeo Ro-1 and Caproni Ca 111 from Italian side and likely Fokker F VII Lorrain from Abyssynian - but surely I will not manage to do all of them till 13 June. But I hope to do the Romeo and Fiat here ... regards J-W Edited May 10, 2021 by JWM 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted March 29, 2021 Author Share Posted March 29, 2021 Here is Fiat after opening of box: And here Romeo To be continued J-W 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Touvdal Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 Part lookes fine for a short run set, interesting build Cheers Jes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Learstang Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 Nice subject, J-W! But then you seem to go in for interesting subjects. I can't remember - have you done Gran Chaco War aircraft? That's one war I've collected quite a few kits for. I know we're both interested in the Spanish Civil War. Regards, Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted March 30, 2021 Author Share Posted March 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Learstang said: Nice subject, J-W! But then you seem to go in for interesting subjects. I can't remember - have you done Gran Chaco War aircraft? That's one war I've collected quite a few kits for. I know we're both interested in the Spanish Civil War. Regards, Jason Jason, thank you. I have noticed your interest in Gran Chaco War. I restricted my field of interest to machines mostly of WW2 and of conflicts just predeceasing it, so Spanish Civil War, The Second Sino-Japanese War and Italian-Abyssinia War. The Gran Chaco conflict happened too early since I restricted it to 1935-45 period, However the Peru-Equator war from 1941 should be included. I know very little about the latest, I know that there is a book on it I think I will do one day NA 50 in Peruvian colours one day and maybe Caproni 114, , but Ca 310 I have already in Norway livery and Ca 135 certainly I will like to have as Hungarian... What for Equatorian side? I do not know yet... The Caproni 111 I want to do from Abyssinia, since the 101 I planing to do Hungarian. So all together I am planing to have three machines from Italian side (Ca 111, Romeo Ro 1 and Fiat CR 20) and at least one from Abissynian Fokker F VII http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/334/pics/238_1.jpg https://www.nevingtonwarmuseum.com/abyssinian-airforce.html Maybe also Potez XXV and Beech Staggewing... I have in stash also FArman 190 but so far did not foud the photo of it in Abyssinian colours Regards J-W 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Learstang Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 I've thought about doing models for the Sino-Japanese War, but that would take so many models to do! It was an interesting mix of aircraft, especially on the Chinese side, where you have a number of both American and Soviet aircraft. If you also put in warlord and Manchukuo aircraft, it becomes even more interesting. I'm certain, some day my interests will turn towards this war. What decals are you going to use for the Abyssinian side, Blue Rider? Regards, Jason 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted March 30, 2021 Author Share Posted March 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Learstang said: What decals are you going to use for the Abyssinian side, Blue Rider? Blue Rider is a good option but they do only Potez XXV set. I was thinking also on home made one, my experience in this is small, but non total null. I made some five times emblems as home print-out. BTW - I spoken with some other company man (but I was asked not to tell who he work for) and I know they work on some Abyssinian decal set...We will see if it comes true. But it will be again only Potez... So for Fokker or Beech the only choice is home made print out. But still I am not sure about Beech - I have to check the variant first of all. Cheers J-W 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted March 30, 2021 Author Share Posted March 30, 2021 Hi It is pretty busy cockpit in Fiat Cr 20 I do not know, why the instrument panel is made of resin and the MGs ends are made fro styren. what makes it difficult to do all as one piece of styrene? I glued bottom wings to closed fuselage and add horizontal part of tail For comparison of size CR 32. So the wingspan is similar but fuselage much shorter To be continued Regards J-W 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted April 2, 2021 Author Share Posted April 2, 2021 (edited) On 3/30/2021 at 7:07 PM, Learstang said: What decals are you going to use for the Abyssinian side, Blue Rider? I was checking today how it is with BR Abbysinian decals and on H. it is for only 2.5 pound but it is a small part of what was original in this set. However they are temporary not accepting new orders (that is what I got when I wanted to pay - I hope it will be OK after Easters, but it could be related with Brexit trade problems). Today I was speaking with a man in local model shop in Krakow and from December he did get any models directly from UK (no Airfix kits, no Humbrol paints as well) . The original complete BR decal set is available here https://sgsmodelstore.com/collections/blue-rider/products/blue-rider-br307-1-72-ethiopian-potez-25a-2-decals but they sending it only within UK... Anyway I will try again to buy buy it in H. right after Easters. Regards J-W Edited April 2, 2021 by JWM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 (edited) Nice progress on an interesting and unusual subject J-W If the international postage issues from traders continue after Easter perhaps one of us in the UK can help you out Edited April 3, 2021 by Col. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alt-92 Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 2 hours ago, Col. said: If the international postage issues from traders continue after Easter perhaps one of us in the UK can help you out It's mostly customs related, as now all goods count as export & import. Even stock replenishments for distributors, in or from the EU, are not getting through at the moment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Masters Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 On 3/30/2021 at 8:33 AM, Learstang said: have you done Gran Chaco War aircraft? That's one war I've collected quite a few kits for. I built this kit with Paraguyan markings...Los Indios. On 3/29/2021 at 4:59 PM, JWM said: Model is a injection short run by Kora in 1/72 It's a good kit. Very solid and not too difficult for short run. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Learstang Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 I already have an old (ancient) Aeroclub kit of the CR.20 with the Los Indios markings for my Gran Chaco War collection. However, I don't have a CR.20 for my Spanish Civil War collection. I've just purchased the Kora plastic injection-moulded Fairey Gordon and Seal, and they are good limited-run kits.* I may very well end up buying the Kora CR.20. Best Regards, Jason * Now if only Kora would turn their extensive set of Hart variants into plastic injection-moulded kits I would be very happy! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted April 4, 2021 Author Share Posted April 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Learstang said: I don't have a CR.20 for my Spanish Civil War collection. I have overlooked it... Now I have found that six CR.20 in two seats configuration were used in Spain as trainer during SCW on Nationalists side ( here is this info: http://www.aviationcorner.net/gallery_en.asp?aircraft_type=Fiat CR.20&aircraft_type_id=2847) , and even a photo on which you can see the second windscreen: http://www.aviationcorner.net/public/photos/2/9/avc_00436329.jpg. The model is of the same machine. Thank you for pointing to this! I also bought IIIF in Greek colors and waiting for Gordon in RAF colors from ME. Regards J-W 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Learstang Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 J-W, Aviation Megastore have the RAF WWII Gordon in ME colours available - that's where I bought my Gordon and Seal from. Wasn't the IIIF used early in WWII by the Greeks? If so, that's the one I need. Thank you for the link on the CR.20 two-seater SCW example! Regards, Jason 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted April 5, 2021 Author Share Posted April 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Learstang said: Wasn't the IIIF used early in WWII by the Greeks? If so, that's the one I need. Here is this info on Greek IIIf: https://www.haf.gr/en/history/historical-aircraft/fairey-iiif-mki-iii-iiim/ What I have found that they were not camoulaged, left in alu dope. There is a Polish dealer of Kora/LF (KS model) - to keep costs low I am waiting for his offer... Best regards J-W 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted April 5, 2021 Author Share Posted April 5, 2021 Fiat: I am always do props able to spin, so here I made special construction: a drilled through piece of frame as bearing for shaft And prop will spin The exhaust pipes Romeo (IMAM) : The frequent in-field modification in colonies was installing third seat behind the gunner position. I cut out this cockpit Romeo had a bit different tail then typical Fokker CVE (btw - the Ro-1 was a licence of Fokker CVE). Moreover also the lower wing is said to have some dimension problems. I have to check what it is about... To be continued Regards J-W 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted April 6, 2021 Author Share Posted April 6, 2021 Hi, Some progress for today (time shared with Shcherbakov Shche-1, vacu) Regards J-W 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliffB Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 You've been busy J-W! I'm familiar with the stumpy little Fiat (from my Chaco War interest), but not the Romeo. I look forward to seeing more. Cheers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Nice progress J-W 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted April 7, 2021 Author Share Posted April 7, 2021 16 hours ago, CliffB said: but not the Romeo. Basically Romeo Ro 1 is a Fokker CVE build under licence in Italy. There are some differences, one is larger tailplane. Unfortunately the designers from LF did not noticed this: here are wings and tailplane lying on the manufactures drawings taken from a Dutch monograph of Fokker CV So the upper wing is OK except of fuel tanks - photo suggests presence of a pair of taks outside what is done here. Lower wing is about 3 mm to long (span). I 've read that something is wrong aso with ribs , mabe our Italan collegues wil help with listing the differnece (please help @Giorgio N Here are fuselage parts lying on the book, the Fiat CR-20 has added main struts To be continued Regards J-W 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 Are you planning to create the larger tailplane from scratch or do you have an alternative source? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted April 8, 2021 Author Share Posted April 8, 2021 35 minutes ago, Col. said: Are you planning to create the larger tailplane from scratch or do you have an alternative source? There is a correction set https://www.72news.eu/2017/10/sem-model-imam-romeo-ro1-correction-set.html or more here (what I have found right now): http://www.modellismosalento.it/en/recensioni/accessori-e-decals/853-sem-models-aggiornamento-per-il-romeo-ro-1-della-lf-models-in-1-72.html however I think I will scratch it. In the above link, translated by google translator I have found, that upper wing is consider OK, whereas the lower has to have shorter wingspan as well the rudder should be smaller. No word about the ribs on lower wing, I have to study presented there photos... Regards J-W P.S. This is a exactly the machine I want to reproduce (three seater!) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted April 8, 2021 Author Share Posted April 8, 2021 (edited) I have found a complete (?) list of types used by Italy in Abbysinia and Somali as for December 1935 Caproni 101 ("D2" in Abb. - 19 and "bis" in So. - also 19) Caproni 111 (26 in Abb + 18 in So.) Romeo Ro 1 (65 in Abb + 9 in So) no Ro 1 bis! Ro 37 bis (10 in So.) Fiat Cr 20 (22 in Abb + 6 in So.) Breda 39 (3 of them in Somalia) - looks like that (there is a kit by Choroszy) CMASA MF 4 (4 of them in Somalia) http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/flyboat/mf4/mf4-5.jpg In 1939 it was: Caproni 111 - 5 Caproni 133 - 103 Savoia SM 81 - 15 Savoia Sm 79 - 3 Fiat CR 32 - 31 Romeo Ro 37 - 8 Data taken from M/Wawrzynski & Z. Lalak "Reggia Aeronautica 1935-1943" Issued by Pegaz& Ulica Lipowa, Warsaw, 1998. Regards J-W Edited April 8, 2021 by JWM correction of mistake 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOCKNEY Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 Savoia SM81, would that be the cream one with the Red and White striped wings ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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