Blacktjet Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 (edited) Anyone know which pylon was used to attach a TER to the centerline station on strike FGR.2s - was it the pylon for the SUU gun pod? I've seen the publicity shot of XV499 with BL755s on the centre station but the pylon is hidden. Edited March 20, 2021 by Blacktjet Correction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 6 hours ago, Blacktjet said: Anyone know which pylon was used to attach a TER to the centerline station on strike FGR.2s - was it the pylon for the SUU gun pod? I've seen the publicity shot of XV499 with BL755s on the centre station but the pylon is hidden. Not sure what a TER is but does this help? John 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 TER = Triple Ejection Rack, a set up with three mounting points, bottom and each side 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 30 minutes ago, Black Knight said: TER = Triple Ejection Rack, a set up with three mounting points, bottom and each side It looks like the same adaptor as for the gun pod and CBTE John 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 John 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacktjet Posted March 20, 2021 Author Share Posted March 20, 2021 Thanks, wasn't sure if the SUU pod had a dedicated pylon, plus, there's an extra centreline pylon in the Hasegawa/Revell kit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan B Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 15 hours ago, Black Knight said: TER = Triple Ejection Rack, a set up with three mounting points, bottom and each side Not used in the RAF, I'm sure a 'plumber' will be along shortly to explain the difference between a US TER and the UK CBTE but it was more than just the name if I remember correctly. Duncan B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacktjet Posted March 21, 2021 Author Share Posted March 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Duncan B said: Not used in the RAF, I'm sure a 'plumber' will be along shortly to explain the difference between a US TER and the UK CBTE but it was more than just the name if I remember correctly. Duncan B I was aware that the RAF used a different carrier but I think its just the part that couples the store to the rack, the main bulk of the rack looks the same as the BRU-42. I'm fitting 3 BL755s to the rack so the parts in question will be hidden anyway 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainpeden Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 There's a picture in Dick Ward's book of a NASU F-4K with a CBTE with 3 bombs attached on the porter outer wing pylon. Was the centre line fuel tank and/or the EMI recce pod attached via the CLMWA pylon or did they have their own dedicated fixings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan B Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 41 minutes ago, Blacktjet said: I was aware that the RAF used a different carrier but I think its just the part that couples the store to the rack, the main bulk of the rack looks the same as the BRU-42. I'm fitting 3 BL755s to the rack so the parts in question will be hidden anyway I think you're right but I'm sure a tame Armourer will come along eventually (just like in real life) and fill in the details for us lol. Duncan B 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selwyn Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 On 3/20/2021 at 9:16 AM, Blacktjet said: Anyone know which pylon was used to attach a TER to the centerline station on strike FGR.2s - was it the pylon for the SUU gun pod? I've seen the publicity shot of XV499 with BL755s on the centre station but the pylon is hidden. The RAF F4 never carried the US TER. It carried the Carrier Bomb Tripe Ejector, (CBTE) a different Item, That was optimised to carry Uk 1000lb stores. Selwyn 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacktjet Posted March 21, 2021 Author Share Posted March 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Selwyn said: The RAF F4 never carried the US TER. It carried the Carrier Bomb Tripe Ejector, (CBTE) a different Item, That was optimised to carry Uk 1000lb stores. Selwyn In 1/48 scale, I doubt you would be able to tell the difference, just need to make sure there's the correct gap between the stores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selwyn Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Blacktjet said: In 1/48 scale, I doubt you would be able to tell the difference, just need to make sure there's the correct gap between the stores. I disagree. I would say that the angles between the stores would be more noticable in 1/48. Selwyn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phone Phixer Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 13 hours ago, iainpeden said: Was the centre line fuel tank and/or the EMI recce pod attached via the CLMWA pylon or did they have their own dedicated fixings? Due to the size of both those stores, they had suspension lugs and fitted straight onto the Aero 27A bomb rack, (ERU). There was a fairing along the top that fitted flush with the fuselage. Rob. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan B Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 20 hours ago, Selwyn said: The RAF F4 never carried the US TER. It carried the Carrier Bomb Tripe Ejector, (CBTE) a different Item, That was optimised to carry Uk 1000lb stores. Selwyn See , told you a plumber would turn up eventually (I wonder if a Leccie will appear too🤣). Duncan B (always left standing in the rain waiting on the Plumbers!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacktjet Posted March 22, 2021 Author Share Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Duncan B said: See , told you a plumber would turn up eventually (I wonder if a Leccie will appear too🤣). Duncan B (always left standing in the rain waiting on the Plumbers!) Yes but didn't answer the original question (I think) - not sure if that's a particular trait for plumbers/armourers! Aren't plumbers engines? I would have thought armoures would deal with stores and the fitting of. That said, the RAF decided air radar techs should look after the recce cameras - despite there being a dedicated trade! Edited March 22, 2021 by Blacktjet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starfighter Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Having been a plumber who worked on Phantom FGR 2's I can tell you that " Plumber " was indeed the nickname for armourers. I think it stems from WW II when armourers were responsible for the hydraulics, etc. on aircraft gun turrets, so would look after the " Plunbing " as it were. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan B Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Blacktjet said: Yes but didn't answer the original question (I think) - not sure if that's a particular trait for plumbers/armourers! Aren't plumbers engines? I would have thought armoures would deal with stores and the fitting of. That said, the RAF decided air radar techs should look after the recce cameras - despite there being a dedicated trade! As @Starfighter says, "Plumbers" are Armourers, Engines are "Sooties", Airframes are "Riggers", collectively known as heavies to the Fairies, who were the dust coat wearing electronics types. Airframes and Engines (as I was) were Split-brains, not sure if this one is still in regular use since the proper Apprenticeship scheme disappeared. Each discipline had their own nicknames right down to the shiny a@£$€$ that sat in Station HQ filling out forms in triplicate all day lol. Duncan B 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacktjet Posted March 22, 2021 Author Share Posted March 22, 2021 Sooties! I'd forgotten that one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacktjet Posted March 22, 2021 Author Share Posted March 22, 2021 On 3/21/2021 at 3:26 PM, Selwyn said: I disagree. I would say that the angles between the stores would be more noticable in 1/48. Selwyn You are correct, fitting BL755s to a US TER requires the side mounted stores to be fitted at a different angle. Unfortunately, I don't know of any CBTEs available in 1/48 so its modified US TERs or nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainpeden Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 17 hours ago, Phone Phixer said: Due to the size of both those stores, they had suspension lugs and fitted straight onto the Aero 27A bomb rack, (ERU). There was a fairing along the top that fitted flush with the fuselage. Rob. Phanks Rob does that mean the Aero27A was an internal mounting point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 On 3/21/2021 at 12:20 PM, Selwyn said: Carrier Bomb Tripe Ejector, (CBTE) The mind boggles Trevor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainpeden Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 I'm going to have to crawl under XV474 at Duxford to make sense of this one; once we get back to being able to volunteer. (yes, I am that person who takes something apart, reassembles it and has a few bits left over!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phone Phixer Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 7 hours ago, iainpeden said: Phanks Rob does that mean the Aero27A was an internal mounting point? Yes, the Aero 27A was fitted in a cavity between the 2 engines. The carriage hooks were then flush with the lower skin of the fuselage. I've got some diagrams here from my Phantom weapons Q course to add to John's (canberra kid) library. Rob. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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