Abandoned Project Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 In the below thread I joked about a wraparound camo 747, https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235089230-zvezda-1144-c-40b-blue-woes/ but having seen pictures of C5 Galaxies wearing wraparound camo I'm left thinking "what if? How hard can it be?" What colours and what pattern would I need to paint a wraparound camo 747? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephLalor Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 If your 747 was to wear the same scheme as the C-5, it would be in 'European 1': Green FS 34092, Green FS 34102 and Gray FS 36118. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard E Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 55 minutes ago, Abandoned Project said: but having seen pictures of C5 Galaxies wearing wraparound camo I'm left thinking "what if? How hard can it be?" I think the 747 uses some features originally developed for Boeing's submission to the CX-HLS (Cargo eXperimental - Heavy Logistics System) competiton which was won by Lockheed's C-5 Galaxy - rememer Boeing manufactured a freighter version of the 747 which was equipped with an "up-and-over" nose mounted cargo door like the Galaxy. To offer a logical back story for your camouflaged 747, civilian operators such as Atlas and Kalista use 747 freighters to provide contract transport services for the US Air Force so you could easily create an argument for a camouflaged US Air Force operated 747 Freighter (a C-4A or C-25A ?) being operated in a routine "point A to point B" freight transport role shipping the crates of Polish Sausage and cans of Mountain Dew served at the annual Mildenhall Air Fete which would not necessarily need the specialist capability provided by a more expensive C-5 or C-17. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abandoned Project Posted March 7, 2021 Author Share Posted March 7, 2021 15 minutes ago, Richard E said: I think the 747 uses some features originally developed for Boeing's submission to the CX-HLS (Cargo eXperimental - Heavy Logistics System) competiton which was won by Lockheed's C-5 Galaxy Yes Boeing principally designed the 747 freighter first. 18 minutes ago, Richard E said: civilian operators such as Atlas and Kallita use 747 freighters to provide contract transport services for the US Air Force Seen the Atlas 747 on approach to Mildenhall. Wasn't too worried about the backstory just yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spejic Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 The 747 was also considered for a program where it would carry a very large number of cruise missiles and launch them from a port in the back. Such aircraft probably would have been painted like other SAC aircraft were in those eras. It would be a fairly simple conversion from a cargo 747 if you were thinking of doing it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abandoned Project Posted March 8, 2021 Author Share Posted March 8, 2021 11 minutes ago, spejic said: The 747 was also considered for a program where it would carry a very large number of cruise missiles and launch them One of the more "imaginative" ideas for the 747. I was thinking of a KC-25/MRTT as the KC-747 was offered to the USAF but it lost out to the KC-10. Anybody got a preference for paint? I'm looking at either MrHobby or Hakata, which is better? Or should I go with something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abandoned Project Posted March 8, 2021 Author Share Posted March 8, 2021 14 hours ago, Richard E said: To offer a logical back story for your camouflaged 747, civilian operators such as Atlas and Kalista use 747 freighters to provide contract transport services for the US Air Force so you could easily create an argument for a camouflaged US Air Force operated 747 Freighter (a C-4A or C-25A ?) being operated in a routine "point A to point B" freight transport role shipping the crates of Polish Sausage and cans of Mountain Dew served at the annual Mildenhall Air Fete Permission to "borrow" your excellent backstory Sir? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard E Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 16 hours ago, Richard E said: To offer a logical back story for your camouflaged 747, civilian operators such as Atlas and Kalista use 747 freighters to provide contract transport services for the US Air Force so you could easily create an argument for a camouflaged US Air Force operated 747 Freighter (a C-4A or C-25A ?) being operated in a routine "point A to point B" freight transport role shipping the crates of Polish Sausage and cans of Mountain Dew served at the annual Mildenhall Air Fete which would not necessarily need the specialist capability provided by a more expensive C-5 or C-17. 2 hours ago, Abandoned Project said: Permission to "borrow" your excellent backstory Sir? Permission duly granted - intrgued to see what a Euro One Camouflaged Boeing 747/Boeing C-4A would look like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abandoned Project Posted March 8, 2021 Author Share Posted March 8, 2021 4 hours ago, Richard E said: intrgued to see what a Euro One Camouflaged Boeing 747/Boeing C-4A would look Should be something like this https://www.deviantart.com/dagohbert/art/Boeing-747-8i-AAF-Camouflage-719568930 Wadda ya think? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abandoned Project Posted March 9, 2021 Author Share Posted March 9, 2021 Had to get my prescription so I picked up some paint. I've decided to brush paint as I'm sure I would mess up spraying camo. I've gone for, Humbrol 29 dark earth, 66 olive drab, 117 US light green, 125 US dark grey and 149 dark green. I've got some decals from an Italeri Marine One so seeing as this is just a bit of fun, this might turn into "camo one" 😜 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abandoned Project Posted March 14, 2021 Author Share Posted March 14, 2021 I am going to carry on over here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abandoned Project Posted March 17, 2021 Author Share Posted March 17, 2021 Just posted this in paint (not literally) thought you guys might have an opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dana Bell Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Hi Abandoned, US Senator "Scoop" Jackson (Washington state) porkbarreled a project to convert previously owned 747 airliners to military transports to be designated C-19s and assigned to the NY ANG at Stewart ANGB, New York. Jackson died before the project went too far, and the C-19 was cancelled. At the time, the unit was flying 2-seat Cessna O-2s which might have made the transition seem a bit extreme, but nearly all the pilots flew 747s for their civilian day jobs - not too much of a stretch. The unit eventually flew C-5s, so their Euro I camouflage and markings might have been appropriate for a C-19. Note that the scheme was not a wraparound, being monochromatic 36118 on undersides. Alternately, there was a Boeing/DARPA offer to build 747s as cruise missile launchers, which would have served under SAC. There first camouflage scheme would have been 36118 below, some equivilent of Olive Drab on top, and a pattern of dark gray (36092?) over top and bottom. Your "what-if" isn't so outrageous after all... Cheers, Dana 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abandoned Project Posted March 17, 2021 Author Share Posted March 17, 2021 @Dana Bell not heard of the C-19 but your fascinating history lesson is such good What-if material, that is going to fuel the backstory and maybe just see me building more than one camo 747! If SWMBO finds out, I am sooo dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Several drawings were circulated of the proposal for the cruise missile carrier based on the 747 that Dana mentioned, just google boeing 747 CMCA and you'll find a few. There was also a desktop model showing the internal arrangement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bar side Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 You always have the idea of a 747 tanker in the Shamu scheme as a backup 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard E Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 On 3/17/2021 at 9:40 PM, Dana Bell said: Alternately, there was a Boeing/DARPA offer to build 747s as cruise missile launchers, which would have served under SAC. There first camouflage scheme would have been 36118 below, some equivilent of Olive Drab on top, and a pattern of dark gray (36092?) over top and bottom. Or if cruise missiles aren't your thing... A megawatt class chemical laser as flown by the US Air Force in the Boeing YAL-1 Designed as an anti-missile system, the available technology wasn't mature enough to meet the Air Force's requirements and the project was terminated in 2010 with the two prototypes being retired to AMARC at Davis Monthan AFB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAF4EVER Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Richard E said: Or if cruise missiles aren't your thing... A megawatt class chemical laser as flown by the US Air Force in the Boeing YAL-1 Designed as an anti-missile system, the available technology wasn't mature enough to meet the Air Force's requirements and the project was terminated in 2010 with the two prototypes being retired to AMARC at Davis Monthan AFB. Only 1 prototype,It was ultimately scrapped in September 2014 after all usable parts were removed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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