AdrianMF Posted March 12, 2021 Author Share Posted March 12, 2021 7 hours ago, JWM said: step or treshold I think you mean the opening where the exhausts come out. The area was moulded completely open by FROG (daylight into the wheel wells) so I added a blanking plate, which did leave a step on the upper surface. ICM of course get this right by leaving the wing surface intact and providing an extra piece to go over the exhausts. I thought nobody would notice, but now I guess I have to use some filler to level it up! Regards, Adrian 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 1 hour ago, AdrianMF said: I thought nobody would notice, but now I guess I have to use some filler to level it up! Sorry, I noticed it because I was correcting this when I was pimping-up my 45-years old SB-2, in Spanish colours and it was not simple to do on glued model...:) As far as I remember it requires also some sanding of this step using fine file... Regards J-W 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMF Posted March 12, 2021 Author Share Posted March 12, 2021 Well, I’ve done it 45 years early... A piece of 1mm card with a smear of filler on top. Should sand down nicely when it’s dry. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMF Posted March 12, 2021 Author Share Posted March 12, 2021 Vac formed canopies done: 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 I admire this ability... I will have to try harder one day, because mine in MPM's SB2 M103 are in strong orange colour... Regards J-W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMF Posted March 12, 2021 Author Share Posted March 12, 2021 12 minutes ago, JWM said: strong orange colour.. Well if all goes well, I will have a few spare vac form and ICM bits left over if you need them... FWIW, L to R FROG, AdrianMF, ICM (not trimmed, excluding windscreens): 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 1 hour ago, AdrianMF said: I will have a few spare vac form and ICM bits left over if you need them... I will appreciete, many thanks! I have now MPM (SB2 M103) and ICM ("normal SB2 M100") kits. The ICM I will do as USB trainer (scratch conversion with solid nose), so the nose canopy I will have already from it to use in M103 model.. So in fact I will need only the pilot one, since the M103 I will do with turret. I will be happy if you will send one... . What can I send you in return? Maybe resin copies of MPM's M103 engines nacelles to do M103 one from another ICM kit? Regards J-W 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 Just caught up on this, very enjoyable! All I can say is "who needs ICM?". Martian 👽 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMF Posted March 13, 2021 Author Share Posted March 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Martian said: who needs ICM? Thank you Martin. I do! While messing with the FROG kit is fun, anyone who builds it when they could be building the ICM is just bonkers. ... Ah, obviously, not me... Regards, Adrian 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMF Posted March 13, 2021 Author Share Posted March 13, 2021 12 hours ago, JWM said: What can I send you in return? Nothing at all except some RFI pictures of an MPM SB-2 with a non-yellowed canopy would be fine! Thanks, Adrian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 6 hours ago, AdrianMF said: Thank you Martin. I do! While messing with the FROG kit is fun, anyone who builds it when they could be building the ICM is just bonkers. ... Ah, obviously, not me... Regards, Adrian Strangely enough, you have me thinking of digging my own FROG kit out but I'm not bonkers, just barking mad! Wibble! Martian 👽 (Today I have been mostly modelling with a pair of @general melchett's battle pants on my head and a pencil up each of my five nostrils.) 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMF Posted March 13, 2021 Author Share Posted March 13, 2021 7 hours ago, Martian said: battle pants on my head and a pencil up each of my five nostrils Well, we all have our strategies for getting through lockdown... What, ICM you say? Ah. Oh... Here we go, caught up to the FROG build stage, with considerably less drama, sanding or filler, in fact none of the last two yet: Although they are looking satisfyingly similar, on not-even-so-close inspection you can see the ICM kit is light years ahead, even after a bunch of improvements and corrections to the FROG. And just setting up for this photo shows me that I’m not done with filler on the FROG one yet! [edit] An illustration of the ICM kit’s quality. I was playing with the bomb doors part, taken off the sprue but not cleaned up. I popped it in place, gave it a little push - there was a little “click” and it fits perfectly! 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 15 minutes ago, AdrianMF said: Well, we all have our strategies for getting through lockdown... If its good enough for @general melchett, then it should be good enough for the rest of us, although admittedly he only uses two pencils. "What's that? He sticks a pencil up there as well? Trust Darling to split on him!". I stand corrected. I have it on good authority, (Lady Melchett) that he uses three pencils these days. Martian (The Galaxy's leading gossip columnist) 👽 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbadge Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 Great work Adrian, what with the mods and Vacforming, really great work. Chris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMF Posted March 13, 2021 Author Share Posted March 13, 2021 1 hour ago, bigbadbadge said: what with the mods and Vacforming Thanks Chris! I have to keep reminding myself to keep sticking the ICM kit together so it doesn't fall too far behind! Regards, Adrian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marklo Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 Remarkable job. Dragging the frog up to the same standard as the modern ICM kit is amazing to watch. ( funny I remember when the Frog kits were considered hi tech ) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Masters Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 Amazing modelling on a high scale Adrian...no surprise there! I am just curious, what scheme will you be using? I am rooting for a Republican Spanish aircraft for at least one...Russian the other, obviously! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 1 hour ago, John Masters said: Amazing modelling on a high scale Adrian...no surprise there! I am just curious, what scheme will you be using? I am rooting for a Republican Spanish aircraft for at least one...Russian the other, obviously! other chances: Chinese? Finnish? (no, they used M103 variant), Bulgarian? German? Czech? Slovak? And in case of Spain - both sides. J-W 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMF Posted March 14, 2021 Author Share Posted March 14, 2021 5 hours ago, Marklo said: Frog kits were considered hi tech I always remember being either really delighted or really disappointed when I got a FROG kit as a kid. Pretty much the same as now! They often look more foreboding than they are. I built the (prop) Corsair last year from a two quid baggie with no expectations and it turned out to be a complete joy. 4 hours ago, John Masters said: Republican Spanish I think I’m going to go for “46” with the green shadow shading over sand/red-brown with a light grey underside, possibly with a blue cast to hedge my bets. It seems logical and well enough documented - I can’t quite bring myself to speculate on whether some of the splotchy schemes in black and white photos were in fact intricate green and/or sand and/or red-brown patterns. And all brown (although the best documented scheme) seems a bit dull. And I thought Russian schemes were a bit of a minefield! The ICM will be “Russian Red 4” with green squiggles over (I’m now thinking) aluminium. So there will be one splotchy/squiggly and one in uniform colours. 2 hours ago, JWM said: Chinese? Finnish? (no, they used M103 variant), Bulgarian? German? Czech? Slovak? And in case of Spain - both sides. I was tempted by the Czech one but I didn’t fancy overall grey. If the Finns had used the flat fronted engine it would have been a shoo-in! Well apart from researching colour schemes all day (AKA randomly browsing the ‘net) I got to the undercarriage doors. Frog give you some doors that actually fit in the closed position quite well, but they are very chunky and uneven. So I made a balsa former and moulded some plastic card over it to make doors that fit and also look reasonably thin: I’ve also filled in the holes for the bomb racks because Spanish planes didn’t have them. Shame, I was going to hang some huge spare bombs under the wing! Regards, Adrian 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stew Dapple Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 Excellent progress Adrian and those sound like nice choices for the colour schemes too Cheers, Stew 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Masters Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 5 hours ago, AdrianMF said: I think I’m going to go for “46” with the green shadow shading over sand/red-brown with a light grey underside, possibly with a blue cast to hedge my bets. That sounds about right. And plenty of room for paint chipping, etc...I think. 5 hours ago, AdrianMF said: The ICM will be “Russian Red 4” with green squiggles over (I’m now thinking) aluminium. Very nice. I am looking forward to both! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesa Jussila Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 10 hours ago, JWM said: Finnish? (no, they used M103 variant) There was in early stage that one or two planes were in M100 configuration. Those were modified to M103 standard. I don't have my books with me now, so I can't check identity of planes. Maybe @Kari Lumppio remembers what were those planes and when? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMF Posted March 14, 2021 Author Share Posted March 14, 2021 13 minutes ago, Vesa Jussila said: one or two planes were in M100 configuration. No-o-o-ooooo! Thanks for the info but I’ve made my choices. I will be doing more Finnish aircraft in future (I did a Blenheim ages ago and liked the scheme) but I’m sticking to Spanish and Russian for these two! Regards, Adrian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Vesa Jussila said: There was in early stage that one or two planes were in M100 configuration. Those were modified to M103 standard. I don't have my books with me now, so I can't check identity of planes. Maybe @Kari Lumppio remembers what were those planes and when? The very last chance is fast googling - in description it is said that it is SB-8 But the "red 4" is really a temptation Regards JW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kari Lumppio Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 Hello! IIRC SB-8 was the only Finnish AF one with M-100 engines. It was later converted to USB (SB trainer, not computer plug). Too lazy to check right now. Cheers, Kari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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