DOD Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 Hi all, I am planning to build a Lockheed F5 PR of the 7th PRG at Mount Farm as a companion to the Spitfire PR XI I am working on at the moment. I have only a few photos so am starting from scratch. Can anyone recommend any books or websites on the PR Lightnings and Lightnings in general? I have obtained an Academy 1/48 F5. Any comments about this model? Are there any decal sheets that cover the subject? Any help would be appreciated. Cheers David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyot Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 (edited) Aeromaster did a sheet of PR Mossies and F-5`s,..... might be worth looking out for? Rising Sun did a sheet but I`ve only seen it in 1/72nd,... good luck. Somebody might also have a left over sheet from an Italeri F-5 kit? Edited February 27, 2021 by tonyot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
politicni komisar Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 (edited) I have a surplus of these decals: Aeromaster First edition they are not color instructions. i can only sell lightnigs. https://www.scalemates.com/kits/aeromaster-48-082-recon-birds--173880# Samo-Pk Edited February 28, 2021 by politicni komisar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antti_K Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 Hello David, I have this book with excellent photos: https://www.amazon.com/P-38-Lightning-World-Color-Enthusiast/dp/0879388684 Plenty of high quality colour photos of reconnaissance Lightnings. Some photos taken at Mountain Farm. Cheers, Antti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOD Posted February 28, 2021 Author Share Posted February 28, 2021 3 hours ago, Antti_K said: Hello David, I have this book with excellent photos: https://www.amazon.com/P-38-Lightning-World-Color-Enthusiast/dp/0879388684 Plenty of high quality colour photos of reconnaissance Lightnings. Some photos taken at Mountain Farm. Cheers, Antti Hi Antti, Thank you for this. I have just ordered a cheap copy from Ebay through bookfinder.com (a great source for books). Cheers David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 Which version of the F5 are you planning to build? There is an excellent reference book I have titled Patton's Eyes in the Sky, by Tom Ivie that has color profiles, photos, and stories of F4, F5, and F6 recon aircraft and other observation types that you might find interesting and informative. IIRC, you can still find it on Amazon and Abe Books. Mike 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOD Posted February 28, 2021 Author Share Posted February 28, 2021 1 hour ago, 72modeler said: Which version of the F5 are you planning to build? There is an excellent reference book I have titled Patton's Eyes in the Sky, by Tom Ivie that has color profiles, photos, and stories of F4, F5, and F6 recon aircraft and other observation types that you might find interesting and informative. IIRC, you can still find it on Amazon and Abe Books. Mike Thanks for the reference, Mike. I have had a look at the blurb and it does look interesting. However, I was planning on a 5E from the 7th PRG and I think it covers the 10th, but may still have relevant info. May give it a punt anyway. Cheers David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 1 hour ago, DOD said: I was planning on a 5E No problem, David. Not well-versed on 1/48 kits, but IIRC you can do a 5E using the Academy kit. I also recall seeing a 1/48 resin PR nose conversion, but I don't remember the maker or the PR version it covered. Good luck with your model. Mike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 On 27/02/2021 at 16:53, DOD said: Can anyone recommend any books or websites on the PR Lightnings and Lightnings in general? you may find some useful info in here https://boxartden.com/reference/gallery/index.php/Camouflage-Markings/Lockheed-P-38-F-4-F-5-Lightning there are lots of photos here of the 7th PRG http://www.americanairmuseum.com/unit/522 Are you aware of haze paint, and synthetic haze paint? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOD Posted February 28, 2021 Author Share Posted February 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Troy Smith said: you may find some useful info in here https://boxartden.com/reference/gallery/index.php/Camouflage-Markings/Lockheed-P-38-F-4-F-5-Lightning Very intersting introduction to the subject which is turning out to be bigger than I thought! 1 hour ago, Troy Smith said: there are lots of photos here of the 7th PRG http://www.americanairmuseum.com/unit/522 I had seen some of these before but there is a lot more to go through now and some seem really useful. 1 hour ago, Troy Smith said: Are you aware of haze paint, and synthetic haze paint? I have come across some snippets about this and how hard it seems to be to apply. I think a PRU blue scheme for me! Thanks again, Cheers David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antti_K Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 Hello David, the book I mentioned states that photo recce Lightnings were painted with PRU Blue in England. And that faded to some very weird looking "paint schemes". Cheers, Antti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOD Posted March 1, 2021 Author Share Posted March 1, 2021 Hi Antti, I bet there are some interesting effects though I suspect mine will look as if it has just come out of the paintshop! Unless my painting goes wrong, that is! Cheers David 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 (edited) 22 hours ago, Antti_K said: photo recce Lightnings were painted with PRU Blue in England. That is why the F-4B conversion I made was painted in PRU blue, as that same information is what I found in my copy of the Ducimus Camouflage Colors and Markings monograph I had on P-38 Lightnings. We had a pretty thorough discussion on the subject of haze paint a while back and due to early issues with that paint, many aircraft were painted with PRU blue, this being replaced later by a much better formulation of haze paint. Noted U.S. colors and markings authority Dana Bell also participated and posted. Mike Edited March 2, 2021 by 72modeler corrected spelling 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dana Bell Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 Hi David, Since you specifically mentioned the 7th Phoyo Group, you might try to find a copy of their unit history: https://www.amazon.com/Eyes-Eighth-Photographic-Reconnaissance-1942-1945/dp/0964911906/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=eyes+of+the+eighth&qid=1614684590&sr=8-1 Cheers, Dana 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOD Posted March 2, 2021 Author Share Posted March 2, 2021 5 hours ago, Dana Bell said: Hi David, Since you specifically mentioned the 7th Phoyo Group, you might try to find a copy of their unit history: https://www.amazon.com/Eyes-Eighth-Photographic-Reconnaissance-1942-1945/dp/0964911906/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=eyes+of+the+eighth&qid=1614684590&sr=8-1 Cheers, Dana Hi Dana Thanks for your input on this. I am actually working my way through this. I got a very reasonable copy from California! It is very interesting but it mostly concerns the personnel and missions rather than the actual aircraft. A good read though with some great tales and an insight into the background operations of the unit. Thanks again Cheers David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOD Posted March 2, 2021 Author Share Posted March 2, 2021 14 hours ago, 72modeler said: That is why the F-4B conversion I made was painted in PRU blue, as that same information is what I found in my copy of the Ducimus Camouflage Colors and Markings monograph I had on P-38 Lightnings. We had a pretty thorough discussion on the subject of haze paint a while back and due to early issues with that paint, many aircraft were painted with PRU blue, this being replaced later by a much better formulation of haze paint. Noted U.S. colors and markings authority Dana Bell also participated and posted. Mike Hi Mike Thanks for that, too. I will have a delve into the past posts about haze paints. It's all a bit of a learning curve! Cheers David 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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