Boeing drops engine parts on Denver

[busnproplinerfan]

Just realized this topic has stories of two situations. The Delta flight over Denver (as it's titled) and the United flight 1175 with a triple7. On Blanclolirio's yt channel, he interviews the pilot of the United flight.

[Alan P]

Sorry to bring down the topic, but somebody sent me this and I can't stop laughing

[noelh]

Very good although perhaps a little unfair given that it's Pratt and Whitney's mess. 

[cngaero]

Here's the link to the interview with the Captain of the United 777. It's well worth taking the time to listen to it. 

 

 

 

Edited March 4, 2021 by cngaero

[noelh]

Thanks for putting that up. First I wasn't previously aware of the seriousness of the incident and how close it came to disaster. 

 

If it wasn't for that man's stick and rudder experience it might have ended differently. But he's old school and even has a very nice looking Cardinal to keep up his skills. 

 

But sadly there is a whole generation of pilots who no longer have those skills and have no incentive to retain them. Even with the training initiatives he mentioned. Of course automation has made flying safer because pilot error was always a big part of accidents. 

 

But when the automation rolls over and dies. It's back to basic flying skills. 

 

It's also a scary thought that if he had still been in the bathroom when the blade failed. It might have been quite a different outcome. 

 

The idea that he had apply full aileron deflection and rudder in something the size of a 777 in order to retain control is terrifying. 

 

He sounds like a great guy too. As an aside it's funny how many pilots sorry aviators also love sailing. Quite a few I know also have a boat. A lot of the principles are the same of course. 

 

Meanwhile I'm going to subscribe to that channel. Thanks for the link. 

 

 

[NoSG0]

One thing that made my brain take note was the difficulty that they had going through the electronic engine damage check list.  From what I understand the difficulty was from the severe vibration.  I remember a snip from the F-35 pilot article where he mentions having difficulty sometimes hitting the right buttons due to G/vibrations.

 

Perhaps for civilian aircraft, just in case good old books as a back up should be in place?  Edit:  I am mistaken.  Looks like they still have the physical books?  Hope so.

 

Perhaps some of these glass panel cockpits for civil/military may need some rethink under severe adverse conditions such as severe vibration/high G?

Edited March 4, 2021 by NoSG0

[noelh]

Good point NoSG0, I remember in my skydive days trying to push a button on the Garmin GPS display during a descent pulling about 2 or 3G. I couldn't get my finger on the button. Yes self inflicted but appropriate. Better when it was negative G when my pen would float off the glare shield. More fun when the skydivers would float in negative G. They used to panic as they hit the roof. There's a funny video on YouTube. 

 

But the point is well made. In the end memory check lists work. But they have to be practiced. 

Edited March 6, 2021 by noelh