John Thompson 1,119 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 No, no - you're wrong - the whole world is desperately awaiting the entire Yak-9/VK-105 family, in 1/72 - LALALALALA - I CAN'T HEAR YOU - LA LA LA LA LAAAAA... John 1 7 Link to post Share on other sites
Mr T 4,519 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 Some very good points Giorgio, although I have never been directly involved in kit design, production or sales, I have spoken to enough people who do all three to understand a bit of where manufacturers come from. Like everyone else I have an aircraft (other subjects are available) that I would like to see being done and my heart thinks would be a seller. My head however knows it might happen, but perhaps better get the short run Aeroclub kit out. If your livelihood depends on getting subject choices right, then you have to think very carefully about what you are going to produce. Much as I would like a Lincoln from Airfix and would love to be proved wrong, I think it is too big a kit to risk, especially given the still delicate financial position of the Hornby group. Link to post Share on other sites
Ad-4N 597 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 I have it on good authority that Revell will reissue the entire range of 1/32 WNW kits before Airfix will release a Lincoln in ANY scale. You can take that to the bank. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Adam Poultney 5,771 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 3 hours ago, John Thompson said: No, no - you're wrong - the whole world is desperately awaiting the entire Yak-9/VK-105 family, in 1/72 - LALALALALA - I CAN'T HEAR YOU - LA LA LA LA LAAAAA... John Vulcan b1 Vulcan b1 Vulcan b1 Vulcan b1 Link to post Share on other sites
Admiral Puff 2,283 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 12 minutes ago, Adam Poultney said: Vulcan b1 Vulcan b1 Vulcan b1 Vulcan b1 Venom Venom Venom Venom Venom Venom 8 Link to post Share on other sites
Adam Poultney 5,771 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 4 minutes ago, Admiral Puff said: Venom Venom Venom Venom Venom Venom Sperrin Sperrin Sperrin Sperrin 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Vulcanicity 2,257 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 Comet C2 Comet C2 Comet C2! Yeah I'm not that convinced Airfix will do a Lincoln- it would be at least as odd/left-field a choice as the Swift and cost about 3 times as much so less demand and fewer units shifted... 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Beermonster1958 406 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 (edited) On 01/03/2021 at 22:08, Vulcanicity said: Comet C2 Comet C2 Comet C2! Yeah I'm not that convinced Airfix will do a Lincoln- it would be at least as odd/left-field a choice as the Swift and cost about 3 times as much so less demand and fewer units shifted... You could say exactly the same about the Comet C2! ...... John (pauses to remove tongue from cheek) Edited March 3 by Beermonster1958 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Vulcanicity 2,257 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Well that's the joke, isn't it! Everyone has their obscure hobbyhorse they are convinced is the next big moneymaker. I fear Vulcan B1s, Lincolns and Comets all fall into that category... I shall stare glumly some more at my Mach 2 Comet... Link to post Share on other sites
Adam Poultney 5,771 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 (edited) 1 hour ago, Vulcanicity said: Well that's the joke, isn't it! Everyone has their obscure hobbyhorse they are convinced is the next big moneymaker. I fear Vulcan B1s, Lincolns and Comets all fall into that category... I shall stare glumly some more at my Mach 2 Comet... I could see someone doing a 1/144 Comet, but doubt we'll see anything mainstream in 1/72 any time soon And I do wonder how much what variant a model is matters to most people. Obviously for us grumpy lot it does, but the average person doesn't know the difference between a Meteor NF12 and Meteor NF14 (well nor do I because Meteors aren't my thing, I just know Newark's got the last NF12). I suspect to most a Meteor is a Meteor, a Vulcan is a Vulcan, a Comet is a Comet, a Do215 is a Do17, a Lincoln is a Lancaster and a Venom is a Vampire. Edited March 3 by Adam Poultney 5 Link to post Share on other sites
stever219 2,111 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 46 minutes ago, Adam Poultney said: Obviously for us grumpy lot it does, but the average person doesn't know the difference between a Meteor NF12 and Meteor NF14 (well nor do I because Meteors aren't my thing, I just know Newark's got the last NF12) In many respects the Meteor NF. 12 and 14 are identical, the most obvious difference between the two is that the latter has a nice two-piece sliding canopy married to a new, steeper, windscreen instead of the heavily framed, sideways-hinged coffin lid of the former. I believe that Newark also has an NF. 14 so, if you can get there post-lockdown, you can compare and enjoy both (the NF. 12 was in Hangar 2 and the NF. 14 outside near the cafe the last time I was there). Link to post Share on other sites
Adam Poultney 5,771 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 51 minutes ago, stever219 said: In many respects the Meteor NF. 12 and 14 are identical, the most obvious difference between the two is that the latter has a nice two-piece sliding canopy married to a new, steeper, windscreen instead of the heavily framed, sideways-hinged coffin lid of the former. I believe that Newark also has an NF. 14 so, if you can get there post-lockdown, you can compare and enjoy both (the NF. 12 was in Hangar 2 and the NF. 14 outside near the cafe the last time I was there). Quite a lot of Meteors there, can't wait to get back. Didn't manage to get good photos of VZ608, so there's a good reason to return. Also hope they can open up the interiors in the summer. 5 Link to post Share on other sites
chrisov 124 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Read that Newark could reopen mid April outside and mid May inside. Apoarently awaiting further guidance due this month. Want to go back there too, plenty of interesting aircraft. Link to post Share on other sites
At Sea 2,998 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 The Lincoln is an interesting aircraft, and Airfix have a proven affinity for A.V.Roe & Co. products. I think it is as likely/unlikely/obscure as the Javelin, which sold well. A lot of people will buy a kit that is fantastically engineered even if it isn't their core subject. Add into that the fact the Lincoln was used by some overseas operators and you have a sort of business case. My preference would be to see Airfix continue to put out British products that no-one else (mainstream) is doing, they are to be applauded for this. I also want to see Airfix stay in business, and if that means they don't make my *insert pet project here* next year I can cope. 5 Link to post Share on other sites
stever219 2,111 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 10 hours ago, Adam Poultney said: Quite a lot of Meteors there, can't wait to get back. Didn't manage to get good photos of VZ608, so there's a good reason to return. Also hope they can open up the interiors in the summer. Wouldn't it be wonderful if they could do a "Meteor Special" weekend with all of their Meteors parked together in a photo graphically-conducive arrangement? 2 Link to post Share on other sites
TEXANTOMCAT 2,287 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 I think the only note of caution with the Lincoln is how well their Shackleton sold. Its a big/complex model to tool and I guess more expensive to take a punt on than a single seat fighter. That said perhaps part of the sales impact of the Shack is that Revell stole the march by issuing a new tool at the same time and releasing the mark that people seemed to want most - the AEW. We are overdue a 'flagship' or 'large' release though... TT 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Wandering Minstrel 11 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Would a Manchester be an easier adaptation/addition to existing moulds vice a Lincoln? Link to post Share on other sites
sniperUK 931 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 (edited) Using the OPs logic that having someone from Airfix sit in the Lincoln cockpit at Cosford we can now expect a new Puma, Alloutte III, Wessex, Short 330, Seahawk, Scout and Canberra as those are a few of the airframes the Airfix team looked over, sat in etc when scanning and nspecting the Ulster Aviation Society Buccaneer Edited March 3 by sniperUK 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Denford 747 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Without going too much off-thread, wouldn't a new Halifax be a better choice than a Lincoln? 2 Link to post Share on other sites
The wooksta V2.0 1,537 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 I'd point you to the Revell one but someone would just whinge "that it doesn't make money for Airfix" 2 Link to post Share on other sites
At Sea 2,998 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 The Sea Kings have done well. Maybe a Lynx and Wessex? The 1/72 Ark Royal's Last Cruise deck wouldn't be complete without the plane guard Wessex and a couple of HU.5's. Link to post Share on other sites
Denford 747 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 3 hours ago, The wooksta V2.0 said: I'd point you to the Revell one but someone would just whinge "that it doesn't make money for Airfix" a) The Revell one has serious accuracy issues. b) The Airfix mold is very old. In particular the clear parts are very poor. Link to post Share on other sites
Graham Boak 7,005 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 To be fair, the Revell Hercules Halifax, if imperfect, lacks the major problems of the Merlin versions and is distinctly superior to the Airfix one. Though you could nick the Airfix wheels to improve it. Link to post Share on other sites
JohnT 3,874 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 As much as I might like to see a Lincoln I recognise it’s not the sexiest of subjects. No wartime history, obsolescent when put into service, an interim type and while beauty is in the eye of the beholder let’s be honest it’s a bit plain looking (ugly is an unpleasant word ). Still not stopped me getting a Paragon conversion in 1/48 for one day when it’s raining though I can’t see the bean counters thinking they will sell a shed load of them. I suspect the Manchester would be a better bet. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Adam Poultney 5,771 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 9 hours ago, TEXANTOMCAT said: I think the only note of caution with the Lincoln is how well their Shackleton sold. Its a big/complex model to tool and I guess more expensive to take a punt on than a single seat fighter. That said perhaps part of the sales impact of the Shack is that Revell stole the march by issuing a new tool at the same time and releasing the mark that people seemed to want most - the AEW. We are overdue a 'flagship' or 'large' release though... TT it's sold well enough to be in their range still with a second box, but I did choose the Revell one when I bought a Shackleton, should be my next big build if the Vulcan is delayed again. At a guess, I would say a Lincoln would outsell a Shackleton due to its more obvious Lancaster heritage. It would also bridge the gap between people who primarily build ww2 stuff and people who primarily build cold war stuff. On the other hand though, personally I will be looking for a second Shackleton (I want a tricycle gear example) but would be content with one Lincoln. If they did the civil Lincoln though, I'd need another. Link to post Share on other sites
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