magman2 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 HobbyBoss 1/35 Jackal 1 is out, and it looks like a good kit lot of nice details. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viper-30 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Looking forward to this one ,well two arriving .. bit of a miss box as it’s a 2.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Tapsell Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Box art depicts a Jackal 2 - box contents build a Jackal 2 - Hobbyboss call it a Jackal 1. I have no doubt it's a decent kit, but that's a fairly fundamental error on HB's part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman2 Posted February 18, 2021 Author Share Posted February 18, 2021 The kit only has the original front Roll-bar, not the taller one.but it’s an easy scratch replacement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bish Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Nice to see it out, but not a good start. I do hope they do a jackal 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsman Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 They said they would be doing a 1 and a 2. Don't tell me they've ended up doing a 1/2 hybrid instead...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman2 Posted February 18, 2021 Author Share Posted February 18, 2021 This is what the kit will build, and very nice indeed. Net Photo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsman Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 13 hours ago, magman2 said: The kit only has the original front Roll-bar, not the taller one.but it’s an easy scratch replacement Not quite sure what you mean here. The kit seems to make a Jackal 2, which had the gun ring raised level with the roll bars. That is a key visual identifier between the 1 and 2. The central compartment was very different too and there were other differences. The early Jackal 1s had a lower gun ring and roll bars not much above the level of the top of the spare wheel with a prominent taller curved central bar over the front cab. This was essentially the same as the SF 'MInacity' vehicle from which the Jackal came. This arrangement was soon changed to raised roll bars with a flatter angled bar over the front cab. Adding raised roll bars to this kit would be incorrect. Lowering the gun ring or gun ring + roll bars would not make a Jackal 1. If Hobbyboss are calling this a Jackal 1 when it is in fact a 2 then I guess that might mean that they've dropped plans to do both. They promised a Coyote too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman2 Posted February 19, 2021 Author Share Posted February 19, 2021 Thanks for the info, I have not gone into this in detail. I will now look a little deeper at the Jackal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viper-30 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 i think bar wise he is referring to the new front raised bar .. have to say my first one arrived and I rather like it . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Tapsell Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 (edited) Just for clarity - the newer raised roll bar is also retro-fitted to Jackal 1s. This is a Royal Marines example of a Jackal 1 with the lower weapons ring and exposed spare wheel holder. Edited February 19, 2021 by John Tapsell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman2 Posted February 19, 2021 Author Share Posted February 19, 2021 That has the High roll bar, but a added stronger frame throughout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsman Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Optimus is the first configuration Jackal 1 with the curved cab roll bar, which got in the way of the gun ring arc. This is the next version with the flatter angled cab roll bar. Oddly perhaps, Jackal 2s and Coyotes are also seen with both types of cab roll bar. Not commonly photographed, but these are the original Special Forces MInacity HMT400 vehicles from which the R-WMIK Jackal was derived. I know we're not talking Coyote here, but while I've found it this is the little-seen SF version. The crane and bracket are for offloading 2 motor cycles that can be carried in the rear bed. Note the open-cab similarity to the Minacity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman2 Posted February 20, 2021 Author Share Posted February 20, 2021 (edited) Tankogard British Special N09019 states after the Jackal 1,the next Jackal is the 2 And This is the HobbyBoss kit A UK special forces Jackal 2A Net Photo Edited February 20, 2021 by magman2 Update info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Tapsell Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 That's actually a Menacity - not a Jackal 2a. Menacity was designed for SF units. The Jackal design was based on the Menacity so it pre-dates both Jackal 1 and Jackal 2. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman2 Posted February 20, 2021 Author Share Posted February 20, 2021 Yes it’s a Supercat HMT 400, 4x4 code name Menacity entering service in 2003-2004 with the UK Special forces. They later received, additional armour and other Modifications like the Jackal. The HMT 600 is the 6x6 version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan-o Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 Ouch! £68 from Hannants😣 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman2 Posted February 21, 2021 Author Share Posted February 21, 2021 On eBay £56 inc P+P 😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bish Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 Model Hobbies £54. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsman Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 The reason we got the Jackal version of the HMT400 platform was exactly because SF already had the Menacity. You can think of it as Jackal 0. It was already in service, a known quantity, had been trialled, was supportable and basically met the requirement with some changes like the cab protection. And was available pretty much off the shelf, although Supacat had to initially outsource some of the work to DML at Devonport which did not work out too well. There are sub-series within both Jackal 1 and Jackal 2 as improvements and changes were incorporated. The Menacities I saw at Hereford in 2016 when I was working on SF light mobility were almost indistinguishable from Jackal 1s by that time. I also had the opportunity to drive a Jackal 2 round the Supacat test track, which was somewhat scary but also very impressive. When you come to build the kit you may be confused by 3 pedals for an automatic and think that HB have goofed. It does in fact have 2 brake pedals so that you can left-foot brake. This kit is outrageously expensive compared to normal Hobbyboss pricing. Someone is profiteering here IMO!!! I had expected perhaps £40, maybe £45. If everyone restrains themselves and doesn't buy it yet then the price will inevitably drop. As it will over time anyway: most kits have a "new" price premium, with some exceptions. But then the manufacturers and importers will say "look you clamoured for this and no-one bought it" and go back to yet more WW2 German stuff (noting that HB counterbalanced this release with yet another even more obscure b$£*#y paper panzer!). However they need to realise that pricing must be realistic. Lots of money for average kits doesn't work. I'll be waiting to see what after-market parts appear for it. I hate vinyl tyres, for a start. And these wagons are usually seen well-stowed. The seats look far too wooden and flat and the moulded seat belts naff. Most of the cab floor is anti-slip. I don't see the personal weapon stowage on the door inside faces. Live Resin do a very nice GMG and mount, and their GPMG will undoubtedly be better than the HB offerings. At the moment there is no suitable HMG mount avaiable AFAIK, although much is common to the GMG mount. They also offer several versions of the SA80 and packs with the lasers, downgrips etc and the L128 Combat Shotgun. Gecko have just released a small arms pack with SA80s, LMG, Sharpshooter and some stowage items: no idea what these are like. The C8s are no use for this kit. Red Zebra have some modern UK stowage items and Black Dog do a fairly comprehensive set. Accurate Armour and Legend both do the British-pattern plastic water cans. British metal fuel cans are pretty generic, especially if you can't see the side embossing. Likewise our small arms ammunition boxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bish Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 I'm sure accurate armour will re-purpose some of their Jackal kit, resin wheels would deffinetly be nice. I was only planning on getting the Jackal 1 and coyote, but i think i will get this as well at some point, and just hope they do the other 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman2 Posted February 21, 2021 Author Share Posted February 21, 2021 The HobbyBoss price is high, but not as high the latest HobbyBoss 1/48 Aircraft £99. I think it’s another good sep forward for modern 1/35 British forces models. and no doubt, it will spring a load of after market sets for this kit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman2 Posted February 22, 2021 Author Share Posted February 22, 2021 The HobbyBoss kit has the correct 3 pedals for the Jackal, and match the Photos in the Tankograd book. The stowage racks for personal weapons on the doors are provided. The kit does provide some really good details and you will not be disappointed with this kit. Shop around for the kit, a good price is out there if you look. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troffa Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 A couple of shots I took of the Jackal on my jaunt overseas some years ago now. (2009) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modeler8522 Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 The Jackel 2 well Jackel 1 is out now with the spare wheels on the outsides of the rear side doors it's marked as a Jackel 2 but atleast it's been made and it's now available! Box art looks fantastic I've heard afew issue's with the first kit but hey that's what it's all about! Something that just fell together well you don't get that satisfaction like you would, or that just me? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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