John Masters Posted February 20, 2021 Author Share Posted February 20, 2021 Everything is all primed and I only see a couple spots that still need filler. The red circle designates what use to be (what I think anyway) a machine gun barrel. There are two, one on each side, and didn't look so good, so I will be replacing them both with plastic rod. These two doo-dads are for the reconnaissance aircraft and I would like to build that aircraft unless someone objects. What I need to find out is what colours they were and where they go. The instructions are a bit vague. Any help would be appreciated. --John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Masters Posted February 20, 2021 Author Share Posted February 20, 2021 Ok...figured it out...thnaks Wiki... The small one is a SPS-141 jamming pod and I think it is mounted off-centre. The longer one is a KKR (Kombinirovannyi Konteiner Razvedky – combined reconnaissance pod) and is mounted on the centreline. Colours match the underside except for the noses on the jammer which are radome green. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabba Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 I think that the ECM pod is mounted on the inner Port wing pylon. There are also profiles of Iraqi Su-20s using the camera pod so I see no reason why the SU-22s would not have carried it. The colour of the ECM pod is allover Green, according to this profile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Masters Posted February 20, 2021 Author Share Posted February 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Jabba said: I think that the ECM pod is mounted on the inner Port wing pylon. There are also profiles of Iraqi Su-20s using the camera pod so I see no reason why the SU-22s would not have carried it. The colour of the ECM pod is allover Green, according to this profile. Thanks Jabba...Could you post an image? That would be helpful. The photos I have seen are of pretty beat up units...banged up, rusty...And the undersides of these aircraft are really filthy too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Masters Posted February 21, 2021 Author Share Posted February 21, 2021 In all the hubbub I forgot to show the underside of this beast. There was little or no detail in the wheel wells so I added some plastic strip and, as you see, have repaired the nose-wheel area. It may not be accurate but at least it is something! --John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Masters Posted February 21, 2021 Author Share Posted February 21, 2021 I am not sure of the provenance of these two images (the internet), but they illustrate clearly how beat up and worn the undersides of these aircraft came to be. I doubt very much that the Iraqi aircraft were any better than these Hungarian or Polish birds. --John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Masters Posted February 21, 2021 Author Share Posted February 21, 2021 The word I was looking for in the previous post was 'grubby.' They look grubby. I will make mine grubby too, considering by the time 1990 rolled around these things had already been in a terrible war with Iran. Grubby. So I have given it some pre-shading. I am thinking of more pre-shading with some other tones, like light brown in some areas, and maybe even some darker greys in others... And why is my airbrush spitting? Are the rubber seals worn out inside? Is it time for a new airbrush? --John 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Masters Posted February 21, 2021 Author Share Posted February 21, 2021 19 minutes ago, John Masters said: Is it time for a new airbrush? My psi was way too low... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterB Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 Hi John, Pity Serge aka @Aardvark is out of contact as I am sure he would be able to help with the pods. Unfortunately he has not posted for well over 2 months , which is a bit worrying. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Masters Posted February 21, 2021 Author Share Posted February 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, PeterB said: which is a bit worrying. I am sure he's alright. Probably just the weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterB Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 Thanks John, Hope you are right, but the part of the Ukraine he lives in is a troubled place, and I am not sure how well they are dealing with Covid 19! Hopefully he will be back in contact before too long. Pete 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Masters Posted February 22, 2021 Author Share Posted February 22, 2021 The underwing stuff gets a round of Vallejo Air 'Underside Blue (faded)'... As to the rest of the underside...I was wondering how to paint the exposed steel areas of the swing-wing and then it hit me...paint the exposed area, let it dry enough to retract the wing back into the wing root, then paint the rest of the plane. It seems to have worked. Just wait until this thing gets some Florywash Grime! Grubby. Obviously I will retract the wings when painting the top-deck! --John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabba Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 On 20/02/2021 at 21:02, John Masters said: Thanks Jabba...Could you post an image? That would be helpful. The photos I have seen are of pretty beat up units...banged up, rusty...And the undersides of these aircraft are really filthy too... PM sent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Masters Posted February 22, 2021 Author Share Posted February 22, 2021 3 hours ago, Jabba said: PM sent. Thanks Jabba. Roger Wilco... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Masters Posted February 22, 2021 Author Share Posted February 22, 2021 The aircraft is all masked and the sides have been given their line of sticky tack. Before I did any of that I painted the dielectric areas (nose included) a very nice shade of green (Vallejo 70.967, 'Olive Green') and they have also been masked. The wheel hubs also received a bit of the same green and they have been masked. I masked the underside of the drop tanks because I have seen in photos that they are that way. So... Tomorrow I'll start in on the paint on the top deck. Once that is dry I will mask off the rounded areas in front of the wing roots and hand paint the NMF sections that one observes there. Kind of a complex painting process actually. --John 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desert falcon Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Nice work and research so far John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 On 2/20/2021 at 4:14 PM, John Masters said: Everything is all primed and I only see a couple spo hi, great work so far! but something loos a bit strange on the SPS- 141 pod the seem to be in the wrong place? also not sure about those prodrusions on the rear... he should be slabbed onto the side https://combatace.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=http://www.manfred-bischoff.de/images/sps-141_riss_b.jpg&key=1272668a494db408584d3d9c4e0947bc1913165f444ae8e6912d0b71ec97f930 https://render.fineartamerica.com/images/rendered/default/flat/pouch/images-medium-5/a-russian-sps-141-jamming-pod-mounted-timm-ziegenthaler.jpg?&targetx=0&targety=-22&imagewidth=777&imageheight=518&modelwidth=777&modelheight=474&backgroundcolor=232420&orientation=0&producttype=pouch-regularbottom-medium if you are about modifying stuff, I'd allso cut down/shorten the fuel tanks fins a bit! that whay you'd manage to produce a more representative Fitter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Masters Posted February 23, 2021 Author Share Posted February 23, 2021 8 hours ago, exdraken said: but something loos a bit strange on the SPS- 141 pod That's entirely possible. The instructions are very vague and hard to decipher. I can easily fix this. Thanks for the drawings Exdraken. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Masters Posted February 23, 2021 Author Share Posted February 23, 2021 The Vallejo Air Russian AF Dark Green is on. I have learned that any green that comes out of the airbrush need to be thinned considerably due to the size of the pigment. It looks alright. I need to let it dry thoroughly and then I'll mask off the green and give it some Dark Brown, probably tomorrow. --John 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Masters Posted February 24, 2021 Author Share Posted February 24, 2021 The masks are on for the Dark Brown. To be honest it looks like the Fitter has has a run in with a Clay-mation studio! The Brown went on alright but I will wait for tomorrow and better light for some photos. --John 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Masters Posted February 25, 2021 Author Share Posted February 25, 2021 This still needs a bit of touching up here and there. For the most part, however, it is painted. The similar tonalities of the green/brown is funny, I think. I hope they separate a bit more once they cure and the Florywash has been applied. A friend of mine who is red/green colour-blind found very little difference between the two. --John 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Masters Posted February 25, 2021 Author Share Posted February 25, 2021 I had a premonition of this event... I scavenged the decals from the Eduard Mig-21 Royal set...funnily the nose cone pieces and the other decals were better. Just the flags and roundels--not roundels--pennants? I'll show more tomorrow. --John 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Masters Posted February 26, 2021 Author Share Posted February 26, 2021 Decals on. I am hoping it looks better with some weather. Closeup showing some decal damage. I have varnished it pretty well, so I will minimize the cracks with a bit of paint. --John 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 That is a nark John, I'll try to remember to give them a coat of decal film before I try mine. The rest of it looks good. Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 Colours look spot on! Hope you manage to take the decals! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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