Wez Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 For this GB I’m going to build three models, which given my success rate in the Heller GB may be a bit ambitious but, the three builds are going to be the same kit so hopefully, I can set up a production line effort. I’ll be using the Airfix 1/72nd kit and decals from Berna giving me three different marking options, Angola, Guinea-Bissau and the Malagasy Republic (Madagascar). I’m still waiting for one set of decals to arrive, I’ll post some pictures of those once I get them. I’ve found a good picture of a Malagasy aircraft here, a so-so picture of a Guinea-Bissau aircraft here but I’m struggling to find a picture of an Angolan aircraft in the blue scheme so if anyone can point me in the right direction I’d be grateful. Anyway, here are the kits... ...and some reference material... I took copies of Ya Gabor's critique of the Airfix kit when he was on here, still undecided as to how far I want to go with that. I've also ordered some Neomega ejection seats for these, more pictures when the goodies arrive! 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 A triple build! Nice project Wez and a great selection of reference material to support you 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Which of the Malagasy machines are you going with, Wez? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelling minion Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Three great choices Wez, good to see some lesser built countries in the GB. I will be following this with great interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Wez said: Angolan aircraft in the blue scheme What do you call the "blue" scheme, Wez? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted February 15, 2021 Author Share Posted February 15, 2021 6 hours ago, Col. said: A triple build! Nice project Wez and a great selection of reference material to support you Thanks Col, yes, I'm quite fond of the day fighter versions of the MiG-17, quite a capable aircraft really. 5 hours ago, RidgeRunner said: Which of the Malagasy machines are you going with, Wez? Number 242 Martin, the one with the red star under the windscreen. 5 hours ago, modelling minion said: Three great choices Wez, good to see some lesser built countries in the GB. I will be following this with great interest. Yes, this GB is ideal for that although I did have to look up where Guinea-Bissau was I'm ashamed to say (speaking as someone who considers himself quite worldly and well travelled). 5 hours ago, RidgeRunner said: What do you call the "blue" scheme, Wez? Just that mate, the Berna sheet has two Angolan MiG-17's, one in camouflage and the other in an overall Russian light blue (whatever that is). Sounds similar to the scheme for the Mozambique Fresco A on the Malagasy sheet. The overall blue scheme quite appeals to me. The trouble is, I can't find a photo of one in that scheme, I can find a photo of a Cuban one in that scheme and the Angolan aircraft were supplied, maintained and operated by the Cubans. The Berna decals suggest looking in African Migs vol 1 & 2, the problem is, I don't have these and they are eye wateringly expensive at a certain site that sells books... ...and everything else for that matter! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelling minion Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 56 minutes ago, Wez said: The Berna decals suggest looking in African Migs vol 1 & 2 Just been through mine Wez and the best there is is a very indistinct almost head on picture taken from the moon of one of the Migs in what appears to be a light blue colour, at least the fuel tanks do as they are the clearest bits in the picture. Save your money for more models! 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted February 15, 2021 Author Share Posted February 15, 2021 1 minute ago, modelling minion said: Just been through mine Wez and the best there is is a very indistinct almost head on picture taken from the moon of one of the Migs in what appears to be a light blue colour, at least the fuel tanks do as they are the clearest bits in the picture. Save your money for more models! Thanks for looking. I'll keep searching t'internet for pictures. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 That is tasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 5 hours ago, Wez said: Number 242 Martin, the one with the red star under the windscreen. Ah ..... ☺️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 5 hours ago, Wez said: The Berna decals suggest looking in African Migs vol 1 & 2, the problem is, I don't have these and they are eye wateringly expensive at a certain site that sells books... ...and everything else for that matter! Let me take a look tomorrow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim R-T-C Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 5 hours ago, Wez said: Thanks Col, yes, I'm quite fond of the day fighter versions of the MiG-17, quite a capable aircraft really. Number 242 Martin, the one with the red star under the windscreen. Yes, this GB is ideal for that although I did have to look up where Guinea-Bissau was I'm ashamed to say (speaking as someone who considers himself quite worldly and well travelled). Just that mate, the Berna sheet has two Angolan MiG-17's, one in camouflage and the other in an overall Russian light blue (whatever that is). Sounds similar to the scheme for the Mozambique Fresco A on the Malagasy sheet. The overall blue scheme quite appeals to me. The trouble is, I can't find a photo of one in that scheme, I can find a photo of a Cuban one in that scheme and the Angolan aircraft were supplied, maintained and operated by the Cubans. The Berna decals suggest looking in African Migs vol 1 & 2, the problem is, I don't have these and they are eye wateringly expensive at a certain site that sells books... ...and everything else for that matter! They are good books, lots of detail of operations as well as profiles etc. You might be able to get good deal away from Amazon, I got my copies for £5 each direct from the publisher IIRC. The MiGs in Middle East series were in the same offer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelling minion Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 A thought just occurred to me Wez (quite rare these days), there are quite a few pictures available of the Mig-17 from Mozambique that the South Africans got their hands on and test flew and that one was most definitely painted in the blue/grey scheme, it would seem a fair assumption that it is the same colour used on the Mig-17's supplied to Angola. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 12 hours ago, RidgeRunner said: Let me take a look tomorrow Like others, I took a peek in the book today. I coldn't find any colour photo but there are a couple of video captures and a B&W (pages 19 and 20). I looked in the Hikoki "Soviet and Russian Aircraft in Africa" too, but nothing. The Harpia book does have a profile in colour and the caption claims RLB overall. MM's @modelling minion suggestion above might be good Martin 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted February 16, 2021 Author Share Posted February 16, 2021 6 hours ago, modelling minion said: A thought just occurred to me Wez (quite rare these days), there are quite a few pictures available of the Mig-17 from Mozambique that the South Africans got their hands on and test flew and that one was most definitely painted in the blue/grey scheme, it would seem a fair assumption that it is the same colour used on the Mig-17's supplied to Angola. That's what I was thinking too, it's too much of a coincidence for it not to be. 5 hours ago, RidgeRunner said: Like others, I took a peek in the book today. I coldn't find any colour photo but there are a couple of video captures and a B&W (pages 19 and 20). I looked in the Hikoki "Soviet and Russian Aircraft in Africa" too, but nothing. The Harpia book does have a profile in colour and the caption claims RLB overall. MM's @modelling minion suggestion above might be good Martin Thanks for looking Martin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Wez said: 7 hours ago, RidgeRunner said: Like others, I took a peek in the book today. I coldn't find any colour photo but there are a couple of video captures and a B&W (pages 19 and 20). I looked in the Hikoki "Soviet and Russian Aircraft in Africa" too, but nothing. The Harpia book does have a profile in colour and the caption claims RLB overall. MM's @modelling minion suggestion above might be good Martin Expand Thanks for looking Martin I took another look and I’d say they are the same. If it were me I’d use Pale Blue Grey from Colourcoats. It was a blue grey shade between FS36329 and FS35550. Martin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudge Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 I'm already enjoying the research and discussion around the Mig-17's, and we haven't even started yet Looking forward to following this one. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted February 17, 2021 Author Share Posted February 17, 2021 Some more goodies to show you... ...first off the stickers, these are by Berna Decals, the Malagasy aircraft is on the LH sheet, the Angolan and Guinea-Bissau on the RH... ...and I also got some resin replacement seats, these are by NeOmega which I got from NeOmega Resin (obviously), pretty prompt service too! The difference between the kit and the resin seats is obvious, the kit seat seems to be a hybrid of the earlier KK-1 and the later KK-2 (KK-1 ½ perhaps)? If you google Soviet KK-2 Ejection Seat, you get examples of the KK-1 and the KK-2 plus a version of the seat as depicted by Airfix so it's not wrong, but obiously, it's not as detailed as the NeOmega ones. I need to do some repair work on the KK-2s as the knee guards are broken on one side, no big deal. MiG-17s were fitted with either KK-1s or KK-2s depending upon the time-frame it seems, fortunately the bigger head box of the KK-2 shows up well in photos and Angolan, Guinea-Bissau and Malagasy aircraft all had KK-2s. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelling minion Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 Neomega's stuff is pretty good isn't it, I have used their seats and cockpits quite a few times and always been impressed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted February 17, 2021 Author Share Posted February 17, 2021 18 minutes ago, modelling minion said: Neomega's stuff is pretty good isn't it, I have used their seats and cockpits quite a few times and always been impressed. Yes, I like their stuff but the instruction sheets for their cockpit sets are a bit sparse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 5 hours ago, Wez said: ...and I also got some resin replacement seats, these are by NeOmega which I got from NeOmega Resin (obviously), pretty prompt service too! Bugger, it looks like out of stock everywhere! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted February 18, 2021 Author Share Posted February 18, 2021 7 hours ago, RidgeRunner said: Bugger, it looks like out of stock everywhere! What about these? Not IMO quite as nice as the NeOmega ones but certainly better than the kits. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Wez said: What about these? Not IMO quite as nice as the NeOmega ones but certainly better than the kits. Thanks mate. His web shop appears closed but I got them via his eBay Shop :). They’ll be fine. Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin W Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Im interested to hear what you think of the Berna decals. I bought a set for my 1/48 Dassault Mystere and they were quite out of register. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted February 18, 2021 Author Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Colin W said: Im interested to hear what you think of the Berna decals. I bought a set for my 1/48 Dassault Mystere and they were quite out of register. I've not seen that problem with any of the Berna decal sheets I've got. I did have some problems with some of them breaking up during my recent Fennec build in the Heller Classic GB but I can't say whether that was down to my hamfistedness or not. I'll be using some decal softener this time around (and have a practice with some unused decals on the sheet first). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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