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Hi all

Please, i need a help (advice) regarding colors i need to use for Japanese RF-4E Sea camouflage.

Any suggestion what is the best choice. At the moment i can not get Mr.HOBBY.com/J.A.S.D.F. OCEANIC CAMOUFLAGE COLOR SET so need to improvise.

I have available in Serbia Gunze model color range, Vallejo, and Humbrol.

Probably the same colors will be for my next project, Hasegawa 1/72 Mitsubishi F-2A/B

I prepared Gunze Hobby colors, H323  light blue as base color and planning to mix H25 sky blue and H54 navy blue for camouflage pattern fields........is that have a sense?

Avery advice is appreciated :)

Thank you in advance

Best regards

 

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I've not tried them yet though I've several kits to do in these colours. I did see recently Humbrol 104 Oxford Blue & from the Railway Colour range RC404 Garter Blue. Looking at them, I think they're pretty close. Garter Blue is only available as an acrylic nowadays, Oxford Blue in both acrylic & enamel.

Steve.

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J.A.S.D.F. "OCEANIC CAMOUFLAGE" COLOURS

NO. C374 SHALLOW OCEAN BLUE

       C375 DEEP OCEAN BLUE

       C376 RAY DOME GRAY

GUNZE COLOURS

       C374  = 72/H56 MIDIUM BLUE

       C375  = 14/H54 NAVY BLUE

       C376  = 317 GRAY FS36231

 

BLACKEYES

 

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9 hours ago, blackeyes said:

 

 

J.A.S.D.F. "OCEANIC CAMOUFLAGE" COLOURS

NO. C374 SHALLOW OCEAN BLUE

       C375 DEEP OCEAN BLUE

       C376 RAY DOME GRAY

GUNZE COLOURS

       C374  = 72/H56 MIDIUM BLUE

       C375  = 14/H54 NAVY BLUE

       C376  = 317 GRAY FS36231

 

BLACKEYES

 

Those aren't correct - 36231 grey is way too dark. 

 

The Mr Color set is the best option, alternatively MRP do a set of the blues. Not sure about other alternatives.

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DXM decals makes a decal set for F-4EJ Kai's in the Sea Blue scheme. They show C14 and C72 in the Gunze line and 77 and 144 in Humbrol paint. I have no idea what any of those paints look like. I have the Gunze Oceanic Camouflage set.

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It may be the case that RF-4s were painted in lighter/brighter shades of blue than the F-4EJ kais.

Perhaps it was a case of different paint batches or even trials of different blues, I’m still tracking down the details...

 

 

This site makes some interesting observations about the matching of the Creos JASDF 'Ocean' scheme to FS-listed colours: http://kwat.air-nifty.com/nikki/2012/09/post-d88e.html

 

For those who follow the scale colour path, it mentions that Creos matched their colours to the newly-applied finish/tones, and that they may require some toning down.

 

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Plus, there's always Vic Hobby paints (from here: https://www.msmodelswebshop.jp/phone/news-detail/2258)


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Hiya,

 

That’s interesting, I did think the RFs in those shots looked lighter!

The hazards of perception, and of multiple photographic angles and light conditions, I s’pose!

Or, my eyes need checking...

 

 

 

 As for sellers:

 

Hobby Link Japan (Japan) is the primary shop I could find.

https://www.hlj.com/search/?q=*&productFilter=manufacturer%3AVichobby

 

Apart from HLJ and other Japanese shops, Otakumart in NZ has some!

https://otakumart.co.nz/?s=Vichobby&search_id=product&post_type=product

 

 

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GSI Creos Mr. Color has a set of the JASDF Oceanic camouflage colours. It's set CS665 and includes C374 Shallow Ocean Blue, C375 Deep Ocean Blue, and C376 Radome Grey. I have no idea about the colour accuracy, but they sure look nice in the bottle!    :)

 

Have you tried the on-line shop? I think it's in Poland.

 

https://mrhobby.pl/

 

There are also eBay sellers in HK and Taiwan that ship internationally, and that might be an option too.

 

Cheers,

Bill

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Hiya all,

 

This topic is a follow-on to a discussion started here:

 

It seems that there may be more than meets the eye regarding the Japanese 'Oceanic' scheme. While the darker/duller scheme (my term) tends to be accepted as the principal colour combination on Ocean-painted aircraft, I contend that there are probably a few different versions and combinations of blues - officially, if not otherwise.

Some Japanese internet modellers have made comments (I'm in the process of digging those out and translating the gist of the comments) that there are more than one type of combination. Also, you can check out this discussion: http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?/topic/298942-jasdf-f-4e-sea-camo-colours/

 

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My feeling is that, through either trials, different batches of paint and the spectral qualities of the paint in general, as well as weathering, the RF-4Es are a lighter/brighter combination of blues than other Oceanic airframes.

To my eye, the paintwork on RF-4Es is generally more careworn and weatherbeaten than that on F-4EJ kais, while the F-4EJ kais and F-2s typically look 'duller' in lustre (not that that necessarily constitutes it being a different colour).

 

I have put a raft of pictures into this post, to generate observation, consideration and musings from the team (with the standard caveats of most pictures being taken in isolation, featuring different lighting and surface conditions, observers have differing monitor settings, and we don't have a singular colour perception performance, etc.).

 

 

 

I know these first ones are profiles, but it might be interesting to compare the colours suggested for the RF-4E with those for other Ocean-schemed aircraft.

 

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F-4EJ kais

 

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F-2s

 

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U-125

 

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UH-60J

 

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Not sure where these guys came from...

 

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Oh Blimpyboy,

 

here I can add a thought. Have you ever been up to the north of Hokaido? To Wakkanai? To Kafuka? Have you ever seen the view to the north over the sea? And to the opposite have you ever been to Kagoshima? If you stay there for 24 hours on approx.. the same date you will find the sky in different colors, which are amazing. So, this leads me to the thought, people just tried to make the paintings matching with the sky. The sky over Japan has so many different tones of color, more than anywhere else.

 

Happy modelling

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Of course.

Every camouflage is applied due to the present (for any operation) presentation of the sky and ground.

No matter which item you look at.

Aircraft, vessels, tanks and so on.

If there is no conflict in near future, so regulations are adopted in time intervals.

If you have a conflict, even low key, as today in front of your house toward west on the sea level or in the sky, it is a different matter.

Of course, it happened, that some countries ignored that fact, or the time was too short to apply a new one.

I had the chance to fly over your airspace in about 40 000 feet with view from the Flightdeck. Yes, it is very different to low altitudes.

Happy modelling

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RF-4E camouflage colours are definitely lighter than those of the F-2/F-4, especially the light blue.

 

The Mr Color paints are perfect for the latter aircraft, but the MRP paints are lighter, so more suited to the RF-4, although the light blue still looks a bit wrong.

 

If you are mixing your own, the dark blue is pretty easy to make up, but the light blue is very hard to get right, mainly because the colour seems to vary so much with lighting conditions.

 

Andy

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This is a fascinating discussion on the JASDF ocean camo colors! Following up on Blimpyboy's comments above, has anyone used Vic Hobby paints Oceanic Blues colors? I am considering trying these paints but I am not familiar with them. Do they thin and spray like typical acrylics such as Vallejo or are they more like acrylic lacquers? I like the color chart for these paints above and the differentiation between the blues used on the F-4 and F-2A. I did a google search but could not find any reviews or even comments on the paint. Thanks!

Have fun modeling!

Mike

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The above shown list of photos is nice, but does not help that much as all of the photos were taken under different light conditions and can therefore not be used for a direct comparison.

 

Here is a photo showing an F-2 and an RF-4E in 'Ocean Camouflage'. Taken at the Hyakuri show in 2015 RF-4E '901' has been the first Recce Phantom to receive the new scheme. And it definitely uses different, brighter, colors than the F-2.

 

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More from this show here: http://www.flying-wings.com/2015/hyakuri

 

Blues on the F-4EJ, F-2 and H-60s, however, are the same.

 

Regards

 

Andreas

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The RF-4s would seem to be a bit of an outlier, then!

Although, having said that, some of the U-125s appear much darker than the other birds.

 

I’m trying to source some Vic Hobby blues, to run a bit of a test - they are difficult to find locally and I’m to cautious to risk travel too much, until I can get a jab!

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I have put in an order for some of the Vic Hobby colour paints at HLJ, just waiting for stock to arrive. I would like to try these as l am not too fond of lacquer paints.

 

Regards

Robert

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Has anybody got near a UK available solution to the lighter blue/gray in the F-4EJ scheme?

I have recently received the FineMold kit of the F-4EJ in the Oceanic camouflage and have been trying to mix the equivalent to the lighter blue/gray. The picture of the a/c on the box shows quite a blue gray - whereas other pictures are more gray blue.

I have tried various mixes including amongst others, Xtracolor PRU Blue, Flanker Blue Grey and Mirage 2000 blue/grey - also Humbrol HU16 and 48 - also DACO

PA06 and PA07 - mixed with (again amongst others) Humbrol Barley Grey and Humbrol Dark Grey and can't get anywhere near it - any ideas?

 

I have decided Colourcoats ACUS07 USN aircraft Sea Blue (fs25042)  is close enough (for me) for the dark blue.

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