rockpopandchips Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 2 hours ago, Hunter Rose said: a bit more "magical fairy land" than "death by pulse rifle" Now that made me chuckle... 😀 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Rose Posted March 29, 2021 Author Share Posted March 29, 2021 7 hours ago, rockpopandchips said: Now that made me chuckle... 😀 and thankfully he's now back from the land of pixies! First thing I did for this sculpt session was remove the side spur which will be repositioned further up on what would be his ankle on a human IMG_20210329_184720 by Nick Frost, on Flickr And before I did anything else I wanted to work on the structure of the foot and lower leg more, began by making the bend of the back of the foot more sharp and defined, before adding in some calf muscle to shape it. IMG_20210329_185126 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210329_185328 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210329_190338 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210329_190905 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210329_191221 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210329_191420 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210329_191733 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210329_191901 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210329_191911 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Once I got that smoothed over I repositioned the ankle spur and smoothed it into position IMG_20210329_191941 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210329_192253 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210329_192553 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Aaaand finally time to correct the hooves, I sliced down through curve to flatten them off and immediately felt so much better about them! IMG_20210329_193546 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210329_193656 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Much happier with how it looks now, probably isn't that noticeable but I also narrowed the spread of the hoof on the outide so it didn't appear to spread quite as muc, which I think also made it look soft somehow. I also added back in the slits but far fewer this time IMG_20210329_193739 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210329_193749 by Nick Frost, on Flickr And now its looking a lot better than it did, heres a few pics to show the overall shape of the foot and lower leg IMG_20210329_193758 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210329_193901 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210329_194301 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Theres a lot more detail to add to the foot but at this point now I'm happy with it I'm going to copy all I've done so far to the other side, which is the part I love! (not) Thanks for looking, more soon 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carts Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 Looking good,and instructive to boot,.........or foot😇 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Rose Posted March 30, 2021 Author Share Posted March 30, 2021 cheers Andy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Rose Posted April 3, 2021 Author Share Posted April 3, 2021 Right, been sculpting some more. I've started on the other foot, had to build up the shape to match the other one before I started on the hooves IMG_20210401_185216 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210401_185342 by Nick Frost, on Flickr When I'm copying I find it very handy as well as looking at it from lots of angles to use a pair of calipers to check size and thickness of certain bits to be sure you're on the right track IMG_20210401_185426 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210401_185521 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210401_185801 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210401_190306 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210401_190344 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210401_190535 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Smoothing over the balls that will make the hooves and I keep checking here as I'm building up the shape to make sure I'm not making the foot any shorter/longer IMG_20210401_190702 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210401_190922 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210401_191217 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210401_191429 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210401_191736_1 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Then the tricky job of matching the hoof shapes to the first ones IMG_20210401_192056 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210401_192117 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210401_192258 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210401_192817 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210401_192934 by Nick Frost, on Flickr And once I added in some splits to them I was pretty happy with how they compared IMG_20210401_193633 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210401_193640 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210401_193649 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Then the next tricky bit was matching the shape of the calf muscle, so I started adding clay and blending, and again its important to keep looking around at all angles as you do this to ensure you're getting a good match IMG_20210402_094948 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210402_095159 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210402_095410 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210402_095950 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210402_100007 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210402_100152 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210402_100328 by Nick Frost, on Flickr As I blend Im also again using the silicone blending brush to remove tool marks and help keep it smooth IMG_20210402_100429 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210402_100828 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210402_101407 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Shaping up nicely at this point, the calf muscles need to be a pretty good match as they will mostly make up the smooth leather half chap boots he has, the resut of the leg from there up will have a lot more room for error as they will have folds of material sculpted over the top, so I'm taking my time with these bits to ensure iM happy with it. IMG_20210402_101417 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Then it was time to match up the ankle spur IMG_20210402_184631 by Nick Frost, on Flickr After lining it up I followed the same process of smoothing the edge, then rolling a thin sausage to go round to form an edge IMG_20210402_184855 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210402_185139 by Nick Frost, on Flickr At this point I was very happy with the shape and thought it looked waaay better than the original one, it was more stubby and looked more like a spur (the first I think was looking more like a finger!) So before adding the detail I removed the original one and made it look like the new one then detailed them both IMG_20210403_135319 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Aaaand thats where I'm up to with him! Next up I'm going to add the top of the leather boot and add a side seam and these half sphere details that the Tau have on their boots. Thanks for looking, more soon 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Rose Posted April 4, 2021 Author Share Posted April 4, 2021 Found time to sculpt today between stuffing my face with chocolate and egg hunting with the kids in the garden! Started by rolling out some sausages to become the tops of the boots IMG_20210404_114551 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Then after rolling them with the handle of one of my tools to flatten I added them to where I want the tops of the boots to be, then slightly blended in the bottom edge to help hold it in place. IMG_20210404_131054 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Then came the seam detail for the side IMG_20210404_132614 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Then I rolled out some balls and cut them in half so I knew they would be equal for the dome details on the outside of the boots IMG_20210404_133204 by Nick Frost, on Flickr And once I had done the seam for the other boot I lined them up in position and then blended the sides in to hold them in position IMG_20210404_133645 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210404_134002 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210404_134814 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210404_135227 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210404_135409 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210404_135829 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Then once they were blended and fully secure I put back in the seams which now go around the dome details IMG_20210404_140128 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210404_140522 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210404_140530 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Then I did the same thing for the other side IMG_20210404_141103 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Also again the way I'm trying to get it extra smooth on the join is with silicone blending brush which is great substitute for my bulky fingers! IMG_20210404_141302 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210404_141817 by Nick Frost, on Flickr And withthat they are both done IMG_20210404_141817 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210404_141825 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210404_141830 by Nick Frost, on Flickr So next up I can move on up the leg starting by building up the creased underclothes that will be bulging out from his boot boot tops and moving up to his knee pads Thanks for looking, more soon 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Rose Posted April 5, 2021 Author Share Posted April 5, 2021 Just finished another sculpt session, made a start on the creases. Was a bit hesitiant about doing these, I've looked up lots of reference material for creased clothing but couldn't find much in the way of hard and fast ways to go about sculpting them so just jumped right into it. Started by building up what will be the material of his trousers to give the clear indication that its bulging out from the top of the tight boots and is a different material. I rolled a couple of different thickness bits around the top to ensure a more gradual fade in thickness from the bulge. IMG_20210405_115340 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210405_115535 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210405_115705 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210405_115907 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Added a bit more clay to the upper calf area just to bulk it out more so it doesn't look strange when I start working on that area, also at this point I was thinking I was going to add material and then make the creases by pressing into it IMG_20210405_120000 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Which is what I started here on the below pic with the bits at the top of the boot, but I was really not happy with that IMG_20210405_183436 by Nick Frost, on Flickr A lot of what I had looked at basically just seemed to suggest if it looks right its right, and aslo I started thinking if you're going to do it you need to be bold and rerally commit to it so I just added a load of clay in a way that felt right to me and started blending IMG_20210405_183602 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210405_183724 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210405_183933 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210405_184005 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210405_184214 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210405_184403 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210405_191458 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210405_191831 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210405_192245 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210405_192256 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Seriously happy with that, was very apprehensive going into the creases but stuck with it and im pleased with how its looking. I think creases are one of those things that dont have a hard and fast rule, you just have to eyeball it. Next up I'm going to probably start on the other leg and get it to a similar point and then carry on with both up to the knee so I can add the knee guards. You can always tell when I'm not sure if somethings going to go right as I'll focus on just one limb for a while to be sure! Thanks for looking, more soon 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Rose Posted April 8, 2021 Author Share Posted April 8, 2021 Been up to my eyes sculpting creases and really enjoying it! So time for an update Started by beginning the crease process on the right leg, so I started by sculpting the same bulge from the top of the boots, and builing up the top of the calf in the same way IMG_20210406_194247 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210406_194538_1 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210406_194631 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Then I started adding creases with sausages of clay I can then blend in at the edges IMG_20210406_195001 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210406_195323 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210406_200109 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Back of the leg was looking bare so I decided to add a big dramatic one! IMG_20210406_200241 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210406_200541 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210406_200809 by Nick Frost, on Flickr The silicone blending brush I use has really come into its own on this sculpt, didn't use them much on the last sculpt but for the creases its been really great to use for blending and shaping. I've been trying not to leave big gaps between the creases as that looks weird and not right to my eye, so I add smaller creases in between IMG_20210406_201057 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210406_201229 by Nick Frost, on Flickr The knee was looking a bit thin too so I began bulking it out at the front and back IMG_20210406_201229 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210406_202028 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210406_202150 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210406_202557 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210406_202741 by Nick Frost, on Flickr At this point I started thinking about the knee guards he wears, didn't want to go to crazy before I added them so I can shape the creases around them accordingly, so I cut away a bit to make an overhang of material IMG_20210406_203636 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Then cut a slab of clay to start builing up the knee guard itself IMG_20210406_203822 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210406_204521 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Then had to cut away a bit more to get it in position IMG_20210406_204521 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210406_204724 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Filled and smoothed the sides to help bind it and hold its shape IMG_20210406_205052 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210406_205236 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210406_205333 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210406_205544 by Nick Frost, on Flickr That was the end of the night before lasts session, and I came away feeling slightly unsatisfied, kept looking at the pictures and the sculpt and when I came back to it last night I decided the knee pad was too narrow, and I really need to up the creases, especially as I still felt the knee itself was a little thin. So first thing I did was rip of the knee guard and add more clay to widen it then got it back into position IMG_20210407_185646 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210407_185703 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210407_185750 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210407_185857 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Much happier once that was on, liked it it a lot more. Then I wanted to add another large crease to the inside of calf top to helo begin the process of widening the knee. IMG_20210407_190606 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210407_190722 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210407_191604 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210407_191702 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210407_192324 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210407_192334 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Then added more clay to the sides of the knee to help build it up, smoothed it quite roughly to also shape it into creases at the same time IMG_20210407_192346 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210407_192536 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Also tried to keep definition of the knee guard as I went too by defining the edge as I went IMG_20210407_192629 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210407_192942 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210407_192951 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Then began adding creases around the knee guard now its properly in position IMG_20210407_193204 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210407_193431 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210407_193539 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210407_194244 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210407_195634 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210407_195757 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210407_195931 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Aaaand thats where Im up to! Had a blast with the creases and got way further than I thought I would which is good. I'll do more to the right leg but before that I'll get the left leg to the same point. Thanks for looking, more soon 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatfingers Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 Wow, just wow! 😲 That is incredible work. Regards, Steve 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Rose Posted April 8, 2021 Author Share Posted April 8, 2021 Thanks Steve, appreciate the compliment 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete in Lincs Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 Nick, Awesome and Bad bottom in equal quantities, Mate. Love the hooves, boots and the creases. I too thought the knee pads too narrow, so good catch! I'm looking forward to more. I hope you've recovered from the Easter choc fest! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Rose Posted April 8, 2021 Author Share Posted April 8, 2021 Cheers Pete! I have recovered though now I am also egg shaped! (but I regret nothing!) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_W Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 Better not snap to attention with those spikes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Rose Posted April 9, 2021 Author Share Posted April 9, 2021 Yeah it's definitely design over practically with these guys! Even my 9 year old said to me "but wont he cut himself when he runs?" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Rose Posted April 12, 2021 Author Share Posted April 12, 2021 Time for another update, been carried away with sculpting and kept forgetting to update so theres a fair few pics! Started building up creases on the other leg IMG_20210409_091140 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210409_092724 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Then started making the second knee guard in the same way as the first, combination of cutting and smoothing. I tend to use a scalpel blade for square edges for a crisp edge. IMG_20210409_093310 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210409_093343 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210409_093504 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Got it in position and then packed out the edges and blended it in to fix it in place IMG_20210409_093812 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210409_094205 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210409_094821 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210409_094913 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210409_174607 by Nick Frost, on Flickr It stuck out a bit but that was because I still need to build out the material and add creases, so started with a big one on the side IMG_20210410_132026 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210410_132918 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Added more to the front bottom edge again to help build up the clothes around the knee guard IMG_20210410_133235 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210410_133427 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210410_133600 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210410_133651 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210410_133832 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210410_134047 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210410_134603 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Was happy with how it was looking but at this point before I think about going up into the thigh I need to do some building up of the legs a bit, most importantly I need to sort out his crotch and inner thighs as his groin is way higher than it should be. So began building it up after marking what level it should be by putting my skeleton size guide I used to make the armature and comparing it to an antomy drawing I have which is also split into "heads" IMG_20210410_154956 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210410_155033 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Then I rolled a couple of balls of clay which I will roll flat to build out the inner thigh IMG_20210410_155809 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Was a little thick to start with so I thinned it out and made a matching piece for the other leg IMG_20210410_155917 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210410_170319 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210410_170404 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210410_170637 by Nick Frost, on Flickr The right leg needed a little more fleshing out where it tapered to the knee so added more clay and blended it in IMG_20210410_171637 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210410_171751 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210410_171945 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210410_172208 by Nick Frost, on Flickr It was at that point I noticed with the blending and smoothing I think I moved the knee guard off position, so was time for a bit of surgery to cut and remove it, move it up and then blend it all in again and bulk out the creases where there is now a gap. IMG_20210411_140912 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210411_141019 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210411_141258 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210411_141605 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210411_141829 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210411_142129 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Then I noticed that the first was a bit fat compared to the new one so I shaved it down with a scalpel IMG_20210411_142357 by Nick Frost, on Flickr The corner was looking a little rounded so I added a bit to blend in which will be bigger just so I can then cut it down to get a sharp corner in line with the sides again IMG_20210411_142622 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210411_142721 by Nick Frost, on Flickr And then (man oh man!) noticed the last one I did was looking a little narrow again so added a bit more to make it even with the first IMG_20210411_143153 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210411_143308 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210411_143649 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Then added somore creases to help blend it all together IMG_20210411_143759 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210411_144527 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210411_144534 by Nick Frost, on Flickr At this point as the creases were moving futher I up I decided I better sort out the straps for the knee guards so I can properley tie them in with the creases so they are part of them and pressing in as they should be rather than left sitting on the top of them. SO rolled out some flat clay then cut a strap and after sizing it round the leg cut it to size and blended the edges in to fix it in place. IMG_20210411_155344 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Used the blending tool to make a divit where it will be pressing onto a crease IMG_20210411_155643 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210411_155725 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210411_155736 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210411_160402 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210411_160535 by Nick Frost, on Flickr At this point before I did the strap for the other leg I thoght the knee still looked a little narrow so I built it out with some clay and aslo added more creases IMG_20210411_160925 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210411_160938 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210411_161206 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210411_161252 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210411_161943 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210411_162008 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Added the other now that was done, but now it was looking abit bare on the calf so I added some more large creases IMG_20210411_163618 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210411_163702 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210411_163858 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210411_164544 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210411_164607 by Nick Frost, on Flickr The outside of the knee needs bulking out more so added another large crease IMG_20210411_164724 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210411_165014 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210411_165028 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210411_165041 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210412_193320 by Nick Frost, on Flickr So thats where he's at, pretty pleased with how its looking, next up I'll move up to thighs, going to start by again getting the structure sorted first, need to get his buttocks on (steady!) and then think about the armour plate positioning for his upper thigh before yet more creases can be put in place. 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Hunter Rose Posted April 21, 2021 Author Share Posted April 21, 2021 Update! Right before I move on to the thighs there are a couple of tweaks I need to make. First up was this crease to no where which looked a little too horizontal, so I moved it so it ends/starts up at the top of where the knee pad meets the strap IMG_20210415_190708 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210415_190735 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210415_190819 by Nick Frost, on Flickr That was better but then created a bit of wide open plain area so I added another bulge of crease into it. IMG_20210415_190847 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210415_192034 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Then the left knee was still really bugging me, it looked too thin, I went back through my photos and compared when I added clay to them both and could see the bit I added to the top of his calf muscle was much larger, so I decided to add a lot more clay. I didn't want to totally redo all my crease work though, so I bulked out the creases and built up areas between. Oh also I added some detail to the strapping of the knee guards. IMG_20210419_184201 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210419_184353 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210419_184501 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210419_184637 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210419_184840 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210419_185103 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210419_185306 by Nick Frost, on Flickr And with that done I'm much happier with the front profile, now its time to build up the top of the calf itself IMG_20210419_185328 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210419_190419 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210419_190605 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210419_191012 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210419_191330 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210419_191732 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210419_191747 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210419_192940 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210419_193140 by Nick Frost, on Flickr So thats now complete and finally I'm happy with both legs and how they compare! Now its time to move up, again though theres a little bit of structural work to do first. Here is the profile, I still need to build out the back of thigh/buttocks area and his midriff IMG_20210419_193206 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Its a little spongy at the top and I want to neaten it up a bit and also add strength, so I cut away a lof of the excess foil and pressed some greenstuff in which will help when its solid. IMG_20210420_190312 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210420_190825 by Nick Frost, on Flickr And when thats dry, I'll build out the waist and thighs and once the shape is looking good I'll begin adding more creases and the large armor plates that go over the fronts of his thighs. Thanks for looking, more soon 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Rose Posted April 26, 2021 Author Share Posted April 26, 2021 Right update time. Some ups and downs in this one, first the downs; I made a start on building up his behind and crotch both of which need to be done so anything added over the top looks right. And to be completely honest, I wasn't happy at all with what I did to the point of genuine embarrassment and I seriously considered not showing it as I was so bummed out about it (no pun intended!) I'll just get those pics out of the way and show what I did a couple of days ago, I started by building up the shape of his behind IMG_20210421_190352 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210421_192446 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210421_192453 by Nick Frost, on Flickr After that I used up my first box of clay so had to crack open a new one and continued building up his waist shape, and trying to ensure his gluteus maximus was taking the correct shape IMG_20210421_192729 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210421_193758 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Kept checking the profile as I went IMG_20210421_193817 by Nick Frost, on Flickr His abdomen was looking like it needed to slope out more and the top of his behind go in more to help with the body shape. So I built up the abdomen and crotch area to help with that IMG_20210421_194321 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210421_195020 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210421_195242 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210421_195823 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210421_200105 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210421_200207 by Nick Frost, on Flickr I was happier with the profile but it was at this point I realised that his buttocks were starting too low on his thigh, so I added some clay IMG_20210421_201039 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210421_201227 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210421_202101 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210421_202159 by Nick Frost, on Flickr At this point I stopped and was as I mentioned at the start feeling a bit crap about it, it just didn't look right and I just felt like I'd added a ridiculous looking massive rear end and a misplaced silly crotch. I still wanted to show this though if nothing else just to show that it isn't always plain sailing, and whats the point of showing your process if your going to miss out the mistakes which can sometimes be the most useful things to learn by. This is the time when you need to do a lot of research into proportions and anatomy, which is what I did. I tried to find a lot of images to help guide me through the thigh and rear muscle shape and see why it wasn't looking right to me. So what I eventually realised was that I had missed a crucial step; I hadn't thickened out the thighs before moving up to the waist and rear end which is why his rear looks too big. Plus the fact it doesn't help that his buttocks now start too low and shouldn't transition so smoothly, there needs to be a slight step. The other major thing which was making the crotch look so ridiculous to my eye was that his inner thighs also needed thickening to lower the point where his legs meet, there is too much of a wide gap there. So armed with that knowledge, I attacked him again with a new box of clay and began correcting what I hath made crooked. Started by toning down his crotch and thickening the upper inner thighs IMG_20210425_153700 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210425_153855 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Then just began rolling out clay to build up all around the thighs. IMG_20210425_154002 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210425_154228 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210425_154701 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210425_154712 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210425_184849 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210425_185150 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210425_185636 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210425_191806 by Nick Frost, on Flickr With the basic structure of the thigh now complete I began sorting out his buttocks, in the above pictures you probably noticed two lines on his rear, the top is level with his crotch and the bottom is where buttocks should meet the upper thigh. The other major thing that helped me to sort this out was I had basically done the rear end right across the width of his thighs, which is wrong; they only go about two thirds of the way across and the flatten off on the sides. So using my scalpel I cut a step to define the buttock beginning and shave down the edge of the buttocks to start giving it a more realistic shape. IMG_20210425_192024 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210425_192637 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210425_192846 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210425_193056 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210425_193351 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Then used my smoothing tool to round it all off and help blend it a bit. IMG_20210425_193546 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210425_194028 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210425_194036 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Was happy with how it was going but just needed to sort out top a bit, it should dip slightly where they meet the spine so I built the tops up a bit with more clay IMG_20210425_194728 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210425_194824 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210425_194824 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210425_195048 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210425_195516 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210425_195531 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210425_195622 by Nick Frost, on Flickr So so much happier now, I only have one more thing to do and thats just to add a bit more to round them off a bit as they look a little flat in the profile. But overall thats a total turn around from how I felt a few days ago! I know this isn't going to be a nude figure, but things like this need to be done to help subsequent detail like clothes and creases look correct and sit properly. Its so much easier to do that than try to sculpt your clothes to shape in one go, in the same way that taking time to get the proportions of your armature 100% spot on to start with makes your proportion work later less of an uphill struggle. Its been a good learning experience for me too as its shown the traps you can fall into if you dont keep checking and rechecking your reference material and proportions from all angles. Next up will be the final little bit of shaping to his rear and then I'll start work on his thigh armor. Thanks for looking, more soon 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_W Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 Glad you are happy with the bottom now. It did look a bit Kardashian for a bit there... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete in Lincs Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 Given the number of pictures on here I am SO glad we don't have dial up nowadays! Yes, the buttocks look better now, but, to my eye the crotch has more than a hint of Blackadder to it. I have no idea what the anatomy of these beings is, but this guy needs an armour plated Cricket box to look after that lot! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Rose Posted April 26, 2021 Author Share Posted April 26, 2021 2 hours ago, John_W said: Glad you are happy with the bottom now. It did look a bit Kardashian for a bit there... Thanks John, yeah it definitely did!! 2 hours ago, Pete in Lincs said: Given the number of pictures on here I am SO glad we don't have dial up nowadays! Yes, the buttocks look better now, but, to my eye the crotch has more than a hint of Blackadder to it. I have no idea what the anatomy of these beings is, but this guy needs an armour plated Cricket box to look after that lot! Yeah it is a bit pic heavy, I think my subconscious has its own plans to make a flick book! Funnily enough from his belt down to his crotch is more armour plating that will cover it, perhaps its there for containment more than protection! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockpopandchips Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 "Is that a canoe in there or are you just pleased to see me".... Queenie would be pleased. Looking very good now just don't think I can unsee that crotch😱 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Rose Posted May 1, 2021 Author Share Posted May 1, 2021 On 4/29/2021 at 9:47 PM, rockpopandchips said: "Is that a canoe in there or are you just pleased to see me".... Queenie would be pleased. Looking very good now just don't think I can unsee that crotch😱 Woof! Finally got his unmentionables sorted! Started by sorting out his derrière, just added some clay to get the shape of them sorted so they werent so flat. IMG_20210426_190142 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210426_191417 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210426_191443 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Then I wanted to sort out his belt, with the armor I think it will help me to get it all placed how I want by starting with the belt and the crotch armor before the thighs. So rolled out a bit of clay and got it all cut to size IMG_20210427_185934 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Just needed to add a little to his lower back to get it to sit right when in place, IMG_20210427_190617 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210427_191145 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Then I got it on and blended it in to fix it in place. IMG_20210427_191611 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210427_191945 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210427_195913 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210427_195936 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Then I got a little distracted by adding a buckle, marked out the shape and carved it out with my scalpel IMG_20210428_193402 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210428_193924 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210428_194159 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210428_194410 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210428_194741 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Then I smoothed that over and began working on the crotch armour. IMG_20210428_195548 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210428_222705 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Once I worked out the shape I got it in place I blended in the edges and marked out the lines for the armour plates IMG_20210428_200355 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210428_200748 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210428_201344 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210428_201639 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210428_202010 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210428_202523 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210429_072650 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Then I cut a piece of clay roughly the hsape of the thigh armour and held it in place to check out how it would sit with the crotch armour. IMG_20210429_193434 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210429_193609 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Then after that I didnt like the shape of the crotch armour, I wanted it to be more square so I decided to straighten the sides and flatten the bottom. IMG_20210429_193756 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210429_194026 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Then after rolling the clay a bit thinner and getting a neater shape I started to sort out the thigh armour and get it fixed in position IMG_20210429_194800 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210429_195109 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210429_200711 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Its quite a wide area of clay so to help hold it in place and get good contact with the leg I pressed it in place and then stabbed through with my blending tool to create some fixed points which I then blended over. IMG_20210429_200827 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210429_201025 by Nick Frost, on Flickr IMG_20210429_201330 by Nick Frost, on Flickr Aaand thats where he's up to, the thigh armour may look slightly thick, and the belt, but I've purposely done that because I'm going to build up the clothing layer more with creases and stuff so I dont want it getting swamped and then looking way too thin. Probably going to add more shape and build up on the thighs too, this is just kind of marking the area at this point. Thanks for looking, more soon 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toftdale Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 Just caught up with this, deeply impressive thanks again for sharing - Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Rose Posted May 2, 2021 Author Share Posted May 2, 2021 Cheers Andy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete in Lincs Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 He's going to need belt and braces to hod those trousers up with all that armour! Looking good, and I like that you're staying flexible and changing things as you go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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