Plumbum Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 I have a 1/48 kit with both tails, tall and short and both canopys. I have seen Hartman's plane in images in Hungary with winter white camo. Was it a G-14 or a G-6? The image I saw showed the box protruding from the rear bulkhead in back of the pilot's seat that the G-10s had. Just curious as I think I still have the decals for that plane but was never quite sure what model 109 it was.---John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jure Miljevic Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Hello John The caption of the photo of that plane in Jochem Prien's book Jagdgeschwader 53 (volume 3), page 851, says: "His machine - according to a log book entry by Erich Sommavilla Hartmann was still flying a Bf 109 G-6 - wears a white winter finish which largely obscures the original gray camouflage scheme. Noteworthy marking ...". Cheers Jure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trickster Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 He also flew a G14 in winter cameo with the tall tail in winter 1944 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 The Typical one you see modelled as Black double-chevron in white camo with the black tulip was a tall tail G-14. This picture pretty clearly shows both the tall tail and the box at the back of the cockpit. Although actually neither of these features prevents it being a G-6, at this stage it's semantics. What people tend to forget though, is that even important/high ranking pilots that had their own assigned plane, still flew a variety of planes sometimes interchangeably. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.R.Morrison Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 The one shown in post no.4 was used for his only claim while with the I/JG 53, his 337th, 4.Feb. 1945. It was passed-along to Ofhr. Peter Esser. It was re-marked as "schwarze 3" GRM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Thanks, so was his one while he was in JG52 a G6 or G14?---John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jure Miljevic Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 (edited) Hello John Erich Sommavilla was Hartmann's wingman on his sole mission with I./JG 53 as G. R. Morrison wrote in a post above and he also provided the photo (and another one, published in Prien's book, showing Hartmann climbing out of aircraft's cockpit) Vlad posted. Both photos had been taken immediately after landing of the said mission. Sounds like a credible, although not a conclusive evidence. As you wrote in OP, it hardly matters. The photo shows more or less everything one needs to build accurate model. Granted, one cannot check whether there are fixed trim tabs on rudder or not, but this is minor. Cheers Jure Edited February 5, 2021 by Jure Miljevic spelling error corrected 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Crandall Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Erich Sommavilla said this was a G-6 that was assigned to Hartmann and Sommavilla took a newer G-14. The men were not happy that Hartmann was brought in to take over the unit feeling the position should have been given to one of their own. That why he was issued an older type. A lot of I./JG 300's Bf 109 G-6s had the battery box mounted in the cockpit. Cheers, Jerry 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 Thanks, I have pretty much given up on a G-14 for Hartmann and will go with a late war German tall tail tall tail wheel G-14 of JG3. I read The Blonde Knight and I don't think he was overly happy going from JG52 to JG53. May be another reason he wasn't there long.---John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 7 hours ago, Johnv said: Thanks, I have pretty much given up on a G-14 for Hartmann and will go with a late war German tall tail tall tail wheel G-14 of JG3. I read The Blonde Knight and I don't think he was overly happy going from JG52 to JG53. May be another reason he wasn't there long.---John So what exactly are you looking to build, a Hartmann aircraft or a G-14? If you're hung up on the G-14 designation, I'd point out again that a G-6 with a tall tail and Erla canopy is visually identical. If you specifically want a tall tail Hartmann machine, there's also this G-6, with a very fancy and unusual oversprayed camouflage to boot: More here: http://falkeeins.blogspot.com/2016/08/late-war-9jg-52-film-footage-hartmanns.html 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 I am "HUNG UP" on nothing. I was thinking of a Hartmann white G14 which I think never existed. THAT SIMPLE!---John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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