Bozothenutter Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 been doing baaaad things... was reading about V13...lovely looks! so working with some drawings found online... V-13 red D-9 black A-0 green so I'm thinking Eduard overtrees A-0 and D-9, some cutting, shutting and scratching. so I'll have the flat gun cover from the A-0 the cowling ring from the D-9 (looks too big btw) zoomed in on the cowl with the wings lined up same with the cowl lined up 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 21 hours ago, Bozothenutter said: was reading about V13...lovely looks! so working with some drawings found online... V-13 red D-9 black A-0 green No red shown. This is the V-13 21 hours ago, Bozothenutter said: so I'm thinking Eduard overtrees A-0 and D-9, some cutting, shutting and scratching. so I'll have the flat gun cover from the A-0 the cowling ring from the D-9 (looks too big btw) No. Sounds like far too much work. A far better start point is the Hobbyboss V-18, as this has the relevant nose, (no other kit has the chin scoop) Cut back fin, add 3 blade prop, leave off supercharger bit, add exhausts, no cut and shut. The Hobbyboss kit makes an error and leaves off the fairings shown. Annoyingly the HB V-18 seems to be done by a different team to the D-9 thru D-13 kits, which are rated as at least very good, and has some omissions, and frustratingly, is in the higher price bracket, if was as cheap as the other ones, it would a boon to the fw190 kit basher, as it has that unique nose, allowing say the Fw190V-32 to be done There are others using this nose... HTH 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozothenutter Posted February 5, 2021 Author Share Posted February 5, 2021 Look closely...there is red...I'm just not very good with photoediting....😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozothenutter Posted February 6, 2021 Author Share Posted February 6, 2021 Tnx for the Hobbyboss pointer btw, they're not really on myvradar as a brand... Did Eduard never do an engine set for their D series? Can find all the other bits, just no engine..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafetyDad Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 @Troy Smith is correct about using the Hobbyboss kit as a starting point. I appreciate that their reputation is a bit sketchy, but nevertheless it will be a much easier build. Another option for you to consider is to use an R V Resins kit or conversion set - such as this. These were once expensive, but have now been largely made obsolete by the H Boss range, and their price has dropped accordingly. Quite likely that some BritModeller has one of these in their stash - I have their V18 kit for the Kanguruh. . HTH SD 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozothenutter Posted February 6, 2021 Author Share Posted February 6, 2021 Well, ordered the HB, CMK engine. Might even get a ZM Ta 152, to get more oily bits etc.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDriskill Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 (edited) On 2/6/2021 at 4:41 AM, Bozothenutter said: Did Eduard never do an engine set for their D series? Can find all the other bits, just no engine..... As a quick addendum to the excellent notes above, we are talking different engines here. The Fw 190C prototypes (and Ta 152C) used the Daimler Benz DB 603 engine. The Fw 190D (and Ta 152H) used the Junkers Jumo 213. They are quite different. The Jumo is smaller, and has the supercharger on the starboard side - vs. port for the 603 - so I don't know how much use it would be for detailing the 190C. Edited February 9, 2021 by MDriskill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozothenutter Posted February 9, 2021 Author Share Posted February 9, 2021 Just learned that myself..must get my processes right.....FIRST RESEARCH then BUY MORE KITS... Will get it before I die I guess.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 The Jumo isn't that much smaller, the two were designed to be interchangeable. Obviously except for the air intake - not interchangeable on any given airframe but on any given aircraft design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milos Gazdic Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 Hello, Did Eduard ever do A-0 (even as overtrees only)? I never seen anything earlier than their A-2 models. I would love to do few A-0 aircraft for sure! best, Milos PS. I also don't see Red Lines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozothenutter Posted November 26, 2021 Author Share Posted November 26, 2021 3 hours ago, Milos Gazdic said: Hello, Did Eduard ever do A-0 (even as overtrees only)? I never seen anything earlier than their A-2 models. I would love to do few A-0 aircraft for sure! best, Milos PS. I also don't see Red Lines only in their limited edition set, so the parts are there...somewhere... Red is only in the main pic...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milos Gazdic Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 (edited) Wow! Didn't know that! There is no grill on the fuselage side of that kit? different shape of the front ring on the cowling? And yes - now I see red in 1st image Edited November 26, 2021 by Milos Gazdic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozothenutter Posted November 26, 2021 Author Share Posted November 26, 2021 2 hours ago, Milos Gazdic said: Wow! Didn't know that! There is no grill on the fuselage side of that kit? different shape of the front ring on the cowling? And yes - now I see red in 1st image apologies, I have been talking nonsense again...... this is the set I meant: https://www.scalemates.com/kits/eduard-r0016-fw-190a-early-versions--1105559 and the earliest build is an A2...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milos Gazdic Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 Oh yes, that one I know very well. I just thought I missed something. Someone should do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafetyDad Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 11 hours ago, Milos Gazdic said: Hello, Did Eduard ever do A-0 (even as overtrees only)? I never seen anything earlier than their A-2 models. I would love to do few A-0 aircraft for sure! best, Milos PS. I also don't see Red Lines You could try one of these https://www.scalemates.com/kits/medallion-models-mm20-fw-190a-1-2-3-4-trimaster--203444# Getting a little old now, but Medallion products were beautifully moulded. HTH SD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milos Gazdic Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 Hello Safety Dad, Unfortunately this set is correct for -2 and later options (and some -1 modified airframes). Early -1 and -0 had some features that were different than those, some of which were significantly different! Easy way to spot A-0 was based on omitted slots on the cowling sides. Just in front of that area, cooling ducts on the side of engine were different shape than on all later machines. Differences in the cockpit area (I don't care about those much when it comes to modeling but the headrest was obviously different which is obvious. Cowling tip was looking different with that small lip on top of nose protruding forward. No armored ring on the nose. A big difference - not really easily visible in photos on some of early machines were small wings. Different, weaker armament than "production" aircraft. Still no kit in 1/48 featuring all this out there, AFAIK. But let's get back to V-13! Please note that the intake for carburetor on HB V-18 is of bad shape too. Don't remember if anyone mentioned that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafetyDad Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 Hi Milos. I knew the differences - just wanted to point you at a set to produce a very early variant (although not the first) Regarding the V-13 - I've just scrolled through eBay and, while there are no RV resin V-13 kits for sale at the moment, two of them sold in the last month or so. So they're out there - might be worth keeping a eye out for one? SD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milos Gazdic Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 Thanks Safety Dad! Appreciate it! I think that the Eduard's kit gives basically all these things in plastic. I don't have the conversion you've mentioned but I do have few of those resin conversions but none of them gives me a chance to make what we would need. I think that Pacific Coast in their early Butcher 1/32 scale kit gives some of the options to build A-1 (with few modifications still needed to be done by modeler). I still have to see small wings & un-armored nose somewhere for either 1/48 or 1/32 scale. (I personally prefer 1/48 scale). It might be that in 1/72 scale there are some earlier options but I stopped following that scale about 15 years ago. Maybe Mike @MDriskill knows more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozothenutter Posted November 27, 2021 Author Share Posted November 27, 2021 Forget about A-0 for V13 though. Eduard early rear, with HB front? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milos Gazdic Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 (edited) Hello Hobby Boss's front is not perfect: _Chin intake is wrong shape (should be a but wider than the one on HB kit) and _holes on top of the nose have to be closed up & nose reshaped in that area. and IIRC the deck behind the seat under the canopy is not really well done. I guess it is best replaced by donor from another kit (or maybe can come from your rear part model (Eduard)?) ... but on the other hand - if you are good modeler who can put 2 different kits together and fix all the issues - why not maybe chase RV Resin kit & do it straight from the box? Those kits are good! Edited November 28, 2021 by Milos Gazdic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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