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3 minutes ago, PlaStix said:

They do seem a bit thin on the ground these days and I think it's got harder to get any AFV STGBs into being an actual GB with the new rules, because more people on Britmodeller build aircraft - hence more people will vote for aircraft GBs rather than AFV GBs. Unless really popular AFVs are proposed and the AFV Britmodeller community get behind them, then we may not see any in future. We can still build tanks in other suitable GBs, but I think we may not see many Single Type Tank GBs in future.

In the past, Single Type GBs got through if 25 modellers signed up to take part. These days this only gets them through to the voting (bunfight) where they will struggle to get enough votes because more modellers like aircraft.

 

That's a pity, both generally and personally, just as I joined, the rules changed. Ping it! 

 

Would it be allowed to run a 'not quite a group build' in the same way that the Tiger Superthread operates, I wonder? Just getting a dozen or so guys to post builds in one place. Or maybe just agree a time for simultaneous WIPs with common titles for ease of locating (AAA T-34 GB - Pete's build etc). There has to be a way to do it for smaller modeller numbers.

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4 minutes ago, Enzo Matrix said:

A while back there was some talk of having quotas in the STGB section.  I would hate to see AFV STGBs fall by the wayside, especially when so much work was put into getting them moving in the first place.

 

Maybe it is time to revisit that discussion.  Maybe it can be proposed that 25% of STGBs in any one year are dedicated to non-aircraft subjects.

 

3 minutes ago, Bertie Psmith said:

 

That's a pity, both generally and personally, just as I joined, the rules changed. Ping it! 

 

Would it be allowed to run a 'not quite a group build' in the same way that the Tiger Superthread operates, I wonder? Just getting a dozen or so guys to post builds in one place. Or maybe just agree a time for simultaneous WIPs with common titles for ease of locating (AAA T-34 GB - Pete's build etc). There has to be a way to do it for smaller modeller numbers.

Hi Both. I think Enzo's 25% quota idea for non-aircraft STGBs would certainly help.

 

Kind regards,

Stix

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I agree with the comments about AFV GB's.

 

As unofficial tally keeper of the annual "Bumfight" and purveyor of all things AM. :D  I have noticed any STGB that has wing does have a much greater chance of going through. While the AFV builds seem to cannibalise themselves in an effort to trying make it through.

 

We may have to go back to the earlier system where a couple of spots are reserved for non wingy things.

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2 minutes ago, PlaStix said:

 

Hi Both. I think Enzo's 25% quota idea for non-aircraft STGBs would certainly help.

 

Kind regards,

Stix

 

The quota percentage could be based on the relative numbers of RFIs in the different sections perhaps? 

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8 minutes ago, Bertie Psmith said:

 

The quota percentage could be based on the relative numbers of RFIs in the different sections perhaps? 

 

 

Ooh!  I do like solutions based on empirical evidence. 

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20 minutes ago, Enzo Matrix said:

 

 

Ooh!  I do like solutions based on empirical evidence. 

 

It might avoid kickback from the plane makers. And to be fair, it would be more fair. I bet there's more than 75% aircraft built here.

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During the discussions about the way GB's and STGB's were allocated, I proposed a few slots be allocated to non-aircraft subjects.

But with the proposals going to a vote of the general population, the amount of aircraft only people will always win out.

 

The only real answer is to have a quota system, but that also causes resentment, ie a small interest subject gets preference over more popular things.

Maybe, as Bertie suggested, a area could be setup under each section (aircraft, armour, ships, etc) so ad hoc builds could be organised within that community.

It would take away from the annual bunfight, but at least would allow like minded people to build lesser / more specialist subjects which have little chance of successfully being voted through.

 

Just my opinion

Paul

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2 hours ago, diases said:

During the discussions about the way GB's and STGB's were allocated, I proposed a few slots be allocated to non-aircraft subjects.

But with the proposals going to a vote of the general population, the amount of aircraft only people will always win out.

 

The only real answer is to have a quota system, but that also causes resentment, ie a small interest subject gets preference over more popular things.

Maybe, as Bertie suggested, a area could be setup under each section (aircraft, armour, ships, etc) so ad hoc builds could be organised within that community.

It would take away from the annual bunfight, but at least would allow like minded people to build lesser / more specialist subjects which have little chance of successfully being voted through.

 

Just my opinion

Paul

Well, with the armor section there is a Rebel group with an unofficial Tiger I group build…

 

And I totally missed the F18 Hornet GB. 

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8 hours ago, Longbow said:

Well, with the armor section there is a Rebel group with an unofficial Tiger I group build…

 

And I totally missed the F18 Hornet GB. 

 

This is a topic that has been much discussed before.

 

In general there is nothing stopping a small group of interested builders from holding their own impromptu Group Build, short term like a week long or longer term like several weeks or perhaps even months or perhaps even never ending.  Start a topic under the work in progress ( WIP ) section much like that very long topic on the Tiger where everyone interested can post and chat about the activity and where anyone interested in following along with a build can then just post in the WIP and read for inspection ( RFI ) section OR if you want to be a real radical, everyone can just post their WIP activities in the main topic and their RFI in one RFI topic or some other variation.  All to be complimentary and supplementary to the normal Group Build activities and should not be viewed as a replacement.

 

cheers, Graham 

 

 

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hui, time flies!

 

the last Sherman GB is not that long ago it feels!.. I should have an 48th scale  M10 lurking around... so maybe this makes the obtacles other GBs put in its way.. ;) 

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17 minutes ago, Longbow said:

We do our best to 🤣

 

Don't tell anyone but I have no interest in Shermen either. Those two tanks are the Spitfire and Messerschmitt of the AFV world, and I personally find them boring as ping. Heresy, I know, but they just aren't odd enough to hold my interest. The M3 Medium now, that's a weird one!

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22 minutes ago, Bertie Psmith said:

Those two tanks are the Spitfire and Messerschmitt of the AFV world

:D writing that after finishing a F-4 Phantom....the jet equivalent somehow... ;)

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4 minutes ago, ColonelKrypton said:

In all the years I have been making models I have never built one of a Tiger, Panther, or Sherman. My preference has always been towards the less common and offbeat subject.

 

cheers Graham

 

 

Putting the 'odd' into moddelling, as I like to say..

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20 minutes ago, ColonelKrypton said:

In all the years I have been making models I have never built one of a Tiger, Panther, or Sherman. My preference has always been towards the less common and offbeat subject.

 

cheers Graham

 

A suggestion:

You can always do the odd one within this group of subjects as well....

I for myself did a French Panther and a Spanish PIV and StugIII....

With Tigers indeed it is a bit more difficult if it should be operational examples!

Shermans on the other hand.... ;)

 

Any good /interesting ideas for a M10?? Thanks!

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