Jakub Cikhart Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Jari, great picture !!! I guess it is Foxy Mama judging by the tail. And you can clearly see the TSC Awesome. And one more question: TSC grey or green ? As it looks like grey on that picture. Thanks ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selwyn Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 12 hours ago, exdraken said: thanks! wow! what an assortment of life ordnance! did not know that the front part of the JP233 had a fairing! It didn't have a "fairing", the main body section held the cratering devices, the front section contained the mines, note the yellow dashed HE markings on both, (the dashes indicated the section contained explosive devices) Selwyn 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Thanks! Probably I expressed myself badly.... I meant the front section has a protrusion/ mounting that fares the mounting points Thanks for the explanation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scout712 Posted February 11, 2021 Author Share Posted February 11, 2021 10 hours ago, Jakub Cikhart said: Jari, great picture !!! I guess it is Foxy Mama judging by the tail. And you can clearly see the TSC Awesome. And one more question: TSC grey or green ? As it looks like grey on that picture. Thanks ! Gulf Air War Debrief shows a close up during loading of the toward bombs on TSC. The TSCs are grey similar to the FS 36118 gunship grey. Might be BS381C Dark Sea Grey. A very small tip is painted black. Regards Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakub Cikhart Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 On 2/11/2021 at 6:11 PM, Scout712 said: Gulf Air War Debrief shows a close up during loading of the toward bombs on TSC. The TSCs are grey similar to the FS 36118 gunship grey. Might be BS381C Dark Sea Grey. A very small tip is painted black. Regards Michael Just checke that book in my collection and yessss found it, thanks a lot !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xvtonker Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 On 1/29/2021 at 5:50 PM, wombat said: Checked my reference re CBU 87s - not only signed off but loaded and ready to depart when the ceasefire came through. Doesn’t say what config though and I’ve never seen pics. The Tornado's based at Muharraq were loaded with four CBU-87's, one each on the forward & rear HDERU's on the shoulder pylons XVTonker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xvtonker Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 On 2/3/2021 at 8:14 PM, XV107 said: Badly expressed on my part; I meant in the context of in the instances where the load was reduced to five, the reason given (from TGR mates across the three locations) was the weight being the consideration. I forget whether the raid on Shaibah right at the end of January originated from Muharraq, but it's a cracking example of the full eight x 1000lb fit being used from medium level, as is the subsequent declassified MISREP - which I think is in the link I provided - where the aircrews complain that despite managing to get 60 odd bombs in the right target area, it still wasn't close enough to cause much damage to the hangars and please could they have Paveways ASAP? Thinking about it, I have a recollection that Tabuk might have flown without the TSCs on some of the low-level sorties. As I am actively discouraged from visiting my office until Mr Johnson says it's OK to do so, I'll have to wait to get into the filing cabinet with the relevant material in it to see if that thought's right or not... The main task of the aircraft at Tabuk was radar suppression using ALARM missiles. As part of a team from XV Sqn we did a crash course on the ALARM missile, but when we heard that we would be based in Tabuk and not in Muharraq with the rest of XV Sqn we agreed to train the guys of 20 Sqn and they deployed to Tabuk with the ALARM missiles. XVTonker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xvtonker Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 For those that are interested here is a picture of Tornado GR1 ZA475 'P' Triffid Airways carrying four CBU-87's. I took this picture shortly after the cease fire had been announced XVTonker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootneck Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Hi John, the picture is too small to see any details. Can you rescan at a higher resolution and repost please? Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabba Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Double post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabba Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 16 minutes ago, bootneck said: Hi John, the picture is too small to see any details. Can you rescan at a higher resolution and repost please? Mike The picture can be seen here:- https://dstorm.eu/pictures/nose-arts/tornado/gb/za475_3.jpg here:- https://dstorm.eu/pictures/nose-arts/tornado/gb/za475_6.jpg and here:- https://dstorm.eu/pictures/nose-arts/tornado/gb/za475_7.jpg . It also show the different shark mouth that this aircraft carried. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xvtonker Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 18 hours ago, Jabba said: The picture can be seen here:- https://dstorm.eu/pictures/nose-arts/tornado/gb/za475_3.jpg here:- https://dstorm.eu/pictures/nose-arts/tornado/gb/za475_6.jpg and here:- https://dstorm.eu/pictures/nose-arts/tornado/gb/za475_7.jpg . It also show the different shark mouth that this aircraft carried. Will do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xvtonker Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 I checked the links to the posted images and the first one is mine but the other two aren't however, here are three shots of ZA475, two with the CBU's visible and the third showing the LH side of the nose. These pictures were all taken at the same time. If you'd like larger versions drop me a PM and I'll send you copies. XVTonker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichG Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 (edited) Judging by some of those photos, looks like heavy rain streaking weathering techniques are needed for anyone replicating these Tornados! Looks like they had some pretty bad weather at the time with substantial puddles. Hardly desert conditions, more like Germany (or Norfolk...) Rich Edited February 18, 2021 by RichG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xvtonker Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 On 1/31/2021 at 3:18 PM, exdraken said: Without knowing the exact cause its difficult of course. But stiffer racks? Or stiffer mounting? Or different design or firing sequence? There is always options, but those cost time and money.... Flexing wasn't seen as a problem as the bombs were carried side by side and the Tornado GR.1 weapons system was designed to release the bombs in a sequence to maintain an even release of the weapons. Also they were not toss bombing but just straight runs along the sides of the runways to take out the AAA batteries.t XVTonker 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMP2 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 On 2/21/2021 at 11:38 AM, xvtonker said: Flexing wasn't seen as a problem as the bombs were carried side by side and the Tornado GR.1 weapons system was designed to release the bombs in a sequence to maintain an even release of the weapons. Also they were not toss bombing but just straight runs along the sides of the runways to take out the AAA batteries.t XVTonker Was reading WAP Gulf Air War Debrief in the bath this morning and it mentions that the anti-AAA runs were carried out via loft bombing (which is just a different term for toss isnt it?) with fuses set for just above the ground. Any idea if thats plain false or were there possibly a few different techniques tried out? I still cant find where I read about the flexing. Starting to wonder if Ive mixed it up with the Jaguars tandem rails. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 As mentioned earlier in this thread a report here of the attack, on, pg 130 of the document: https://www.raf.mod.uk/what-we-do/centre-for-air-and-space-power-studies/documents1/air-power-review-vol-19-no-2-first-gulf-war-25th-anniversary-special/ also some mission reports can be read starting at pg 143, including other 8 x 1000lb bomb attacks. Jari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieGolf2009 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 (edited) Although barely visible, this photo taken on the first few days of the war seems to show the 8x1000lbs loadout. "19th January 1991 An RAF Tornado GR1 bomber in its hardened shelter at the King Faisal Airbase, Tabuk, Saudi Arabia." https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-19th-january-1991-an-raf-tornado-gr1-bomber-in-its-hardened-shelter-83196271.html Edited February 26, 2021 by CharlieGolf2009 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombat Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 Certainly a lot of toss bombing involved. That’s how the two johns got shot down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scout712 Posted October 27, 2023 Author Share Posted October 27, 2023 Reviving the old thread, I have a question about the nose art carried. I have the decals for ZA790 "Debbi" and want to put the 8x1000# with TSC fit on my model. When did GR-1s start to carry the nose art? All pics I found on the net show nose art and clear pics of the armament only for either the GBU , or 5x1000# or ALARM loads. But in that link Debbi has only 4 mission symbols. Would it be correct to assume it was loaded at that stage still with 8x1000 ers? Thanks Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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