British Universal Carrier MKII and Sherman M4A2 in Africa with caunter scheme ??? please help!!!

[Carlos Eduardo Navarro Ocando]

Good afternoon, I wanted to ask the experts who give life to this excellent forum a question that I would like to clarify in order to decide how to advance in my next project.

 

It turns out that I want to start with an old, but apparently good kit, in particular I want to build Tamiya's Universal Carrier Mk II in 1:35 scale. My doubt lies in the fact that I have been liking the desert theme a lot lately, and even more so, the British camouflage schemes in that region, one of these is the caunter scheme I even bought the AK interactive color set for this scheme, Well, I want to paint my Universal carrier using the aforementioned camouflage pattern, however, although I have seen some photos out there of universal carrier with these camouflage schemes, it is not clear to me if in particular the MKii that is the one in the kit, is I get to paint that way, in any case with this particular model, I would also like to know if the interior color of the vehicle is the same yellow tone (portland stone or BSC 61 Light stone) that is placed in the camouflage pattern.

 

Additionally, I also have the Sherman M4A2 "Tarawa" from Dragon, which I don't want to do in the Pacific, but I would also like to do it in Afrika and put this scheme on it, but I don't know if this scheme (the Caunter camouflage) was carried by the british shermans in afrika ...

 

I hope you can help me solve this ... Greetings ...

[Graham Boak]

The Caunter scheme was cancelled before the Shermans arrived.  They were painted in Portland Stone or Light Stone, some with dark bands.

[Kingsman]

They were perhaps a bit late for Portland Stone.  Light Stone 61 is most likely but they could also be Desert Pink Z1.  Disruptive patterning could be bold patterns of black, dark green or brown.  There were authorised patterns which were largely followed, although some units did their own thing.

 

You could think about Tunisia, Sicily or Italy.  Light Mud with black disruptive pattern.  Dragon sell the same kit with extra bits as their "Sicily" Sherman III.  Or you could keep it in OD and do a post D-Day tank in NW Europe.

 

But for any British Sherman III anywhere you are going to need extra parts not incuded in that kit.  Rear turret stowage bin.  4" smoke dischargers on turret right side.  British fire extinguishers.  Sand shields for the desert, with "sunshade" mounting rails.  Glacis spare link stowage for NWE.  In Italy and NWE some units used the rear ends of the sand shields welded to the upper rear hull corners as stowage bins.  You can get all these parts in resin and/or etched brass.  However, if you really want to do British Sherman III in N Africa, Sicily or Italy you might be better off getting one of the Dragon Sherman III kits (there are 3) and selling off the Tarawa kit. Asuka also do a desert Sherman III with direct vision and M3-type bogies.  Dragon and Asuka both do desert Sherman IIs.

[Carlos Eduardo Navarro Ocando]

5 hours ago, Graham Boak said:

El plan de Caunter fue cancelado antes de que llegaran los Sherman. Fueron pintados en Portland Stone o Light Stone, algunos con bandas oscuras.

Thanks for the information about the caunter scheme in the shermans, I didn't have the slightest idea and I almost screwed up, I will have to look for examples of schemes for Sherman in the desert ... I refuse to do the one I have totally green, I prefer the schemes showy camouflage.

[Carlos Eduardo Navarro Ocando]

2 hours ago, Das Abteilung said:

Quizás llegaron un poco tarde a Portland Stone. Light Stone 61 es lo más probable, pero también podrían ser Desert Pink Z1. Los patrones disruptivos pueden ser patrones audaces de negro, verde oscuro o marrón. Había patrones autorizados que se seguían en gran medida, aunque algunas unidades hicieron lo suyo.

 

Podrías pensar en Túnez, Sicilia o Italia. Barro claro con patrón disruptivo negro. Dragon vende el mismo kit con piezas adicionales que su Sherman III "Sicily". O puede mantenerlo en OD y hacer un tanque posterior al Día D en el noroeste de Europa.

 

Pero para cualquier Sherman III británico en cualquier lugar, necesitará piezas adicionales que no están incluidas en ese kit. Compartimento portaobjetos de la torreta trasera. 4 "descargadores de humo en el lado derecho de la torreta. Extintores británicos. Escudos de arena para el desierto, con rieles de montaje de" sombrilla ". Estiba de enlace de repuesto Glacis para NWE. En Italia y NWE, algunas unidades usaron los extremos traseros de los escudos de arena soldados a la Esquinas superiores traseras del casco como compartimientos de estiba. Puede obtener todas estas piezas en resina y / o latón grabado. Sin embargo, si realmente desea hacer el British Sherman III en el norte de África, Sicilia o Italia, es mejor que obtenga uno de los Dragon Kits de Sherman III (hay 3) y vendiendo el kit de Tarawa. Asuka también hace un Sherman III del desierto con visión directa y bogies tipo M3. Dragon y Asuka ambos hacen Sherman II del desierto.

Interesting what you tell me, I must admit that of Shermans and any other vehicle of American origin, I know nothing or almost nothing, in fact, this would be the first American armored vehicle that I put together. It would be of immense use and help if you could provide me with visual examples of those additional pieces that you mention, maybe I could try to obtain them in scrach (I'm not so bad at that), but I need to know what those are in order to start making them. Unfortunately, because of how things are with the coronavirus, where I live (Ecuador) there is still no postal service enabled, so I think it would be extremely difficult for now to find another kit. I could also try to see if someone I know is interested in a change of kits, however, I would like to know what those parts are to see if I can manufacture them. If you can share photos of these in particular, I would be very grateful.

 

For the time being, it remains for me to clarify the reference to Tamiya's Universal Carrier MKII and the caunter scheme.

[Graham Boak]

There are a number of specialist booklets on the subject of early desert Shermans, and indeed the Caunter scheme, but that's not a lot of use to you at the moment.  I don't know whether it has been discussed with examples on this site but it might be worth a search, perhaps linking with Alamein?  The other sites to investigate would be Missing Lynx, which covers AFV modelling, or the Miniature Armoured Fighting Vehicle Association (MAFVA) which contains, amongst other things, an excellent colour guide to British Army camouflage colours.  Mike Starmer is the currently active expert in these matters, and has been helpful in the past.  I believe that there are specialist Sherman websites, but those which cover British camouflage might be more difficult to find.

 

re the Pacific War and camouflage: are you aware of the multi-colour scheme used on USMC M4A2 during the Battle of Iwo Jima?

[Kingsman]

As Graham has said, the Sherman is particularly well researched.  However, Sherman kits are less well researched.  Many older ones come from days when we knew less.  Some are based on preserved examples which do not represent WW2 configurations. Some are just plain wrong in places, sometimes fundamentally so.  Like the Tamiya "M4 Early" which is a cut-and-shut of mis-matched front and back ends and very expensive to correct.

 

Most of what you need to know about them can be found here http://the.shadock.free.fr/sherman_minutia/index.html and here http://www.theshermantank.com/.  The Sherman is a staggeringly complex tank with hundreds of variations between factories and over time.

 

Most manufacturers of Sherman kits make specific British versions of them, for those types used by UK and Commonwealth forces.  Tamiya are an exception. If you want to model a British or Commonwealth Sherman then you are best advised to get one of these kits as they have the additional parts fitted to British and Commonwealth Shermans.  While you can get all the bits as after-market parts that is very much more expensive and they can be hard to find all in the same store.

 

Your Tarawa kit is an M4A2 diesel Sherman, known as the Sherman III in the UK.  Yes, we gave them different designations just to confuse things.  In particular it is a tank built by Fisher Body at the Grand Blanc Tank Arsenal. This factory produced M4A2s with unique and readily identifiable welded square-edged drivers hoods, and they were common in British service.

 

This is a fairly standard M4A2 Sherman III in North Africa.  Most probably in Light Stone and Black.  It is an earlier production model (notice the early M3 bogies) from another factory but that doesn't matter.  You can see the sand shields, which were actually factory-fitted on all Shermans until early 1944 but were usually removed by units and were really only used in N Africa.  The side rails above the sand shields were a British addition to carry camouflage screens to disguise the tank as a truck, known as Sunshades.  These screens were rarely used and the rails are usually seen with crew gear hung on them.  You can see the British pattern stowage box on the turret rear.  On the right front fender is a rack for 3x 2-gallon water cans.  Here an ammunition box is perched on the left front fender as a stowage box.  All of these parts are included in any of the Dragon or Asuka British desert Sherman kits shown below.  In the desert the British fire extinguishers and spare track link racks were not yet fitted. They came later.

 

 

    

 

 

As Graham also said, you do have some other options for the Pacific for your kit.  By the time of Iwo Jima and the 3-colour USMC camouflage these earlier M4A2s had largely been replaced with later versions.  But here is one like yours with additional wood plank armour and camouflage.

 

Russia also received some M4A2s similar to yours, but I'm not sure they had any exactly the same.  This looks like one from Federal Machine & Welder.

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[Graham Boak]

The interior of the Universal Carrier was that of the lightest colour in the Caunter scheme.  I presume that you do have a plan of the Caunter scheme for the carrier?  If not, send me a pm with your email address and I'll  scan it for you.

 

I've been looking in various references, and the official requirement was for Desert Pink with a Dark Green disruptive pattern, largely flowing fore and aft.  It seems that some centres lacked a supply of these paints so that tanks were painted Light Stone, often with black.  Judging from the illustrations I've found, this was predominantly true for the Sherman IIs (M4A1) with most Sherman IIs (M4A2) being in the Desert Pink and Green - although possibly this was actually the original Olive Drab.  There's a suggestion that the lower hull and suspension also retained Olive Drab, but this is clearly untrue in the example above.

 

I'm a little concerned that you are on the edges of a very complicated pair of subjects.  Shermans existed in a wide range of variants, with five different types being made in a larger number of factories, all of which were offering different details, on top of which was a continuing string of changes for operational or other reasons, which would not be introduced on each variant and each factory at the same time.  British Army camouflages aren't that complicated - once allowance has been made for changes as the war progressed.  Mike Starmer has published a number of helpful booklets including the appropriate colour chips.  However the unit markings are quite another matter.  Here is a good introduction to the subject.  https://British Tank Markings - Overview (tank-markings.blogspot.com)/p/british-tank-markings-overview.html.  Enjoy your reading.

[Carlos Eduardo Navarro Ocando]

8 hours ago, Graham Boak said:

Hay una serie de folletos especializados sobre el tema de los primeros Sherman del desierto y, de hecho, el esquema de Caunter, pero eso no es de mucha utilidad para usted en este momento. No sé si se ha discutido con ejemplos en este sitio, pero podría valer la pena una búsqueda, ¿quizás enlazar con Alamein? Los otros sitios para investigar serían Missing Lynx, que cubre el modelado de AFV , o la Asociación de vehículos de combate blindados en miniatura (MAFVA) que contiene, entre otras cosas, una excelente guía de colores para los colores de camuflaje del ejército británico. Mike Starmer es el experto activo en estos asuntos y ha sido de gran ayuda en el pasado. Creo que hay sitios web especializados en Sherman, pero los que cubren el camuflaje británico pueden ser más difíciles de encontrar.

 

re la Guerra del Pacífico y el camuflaje: ¿conoce el esquema multicolor utilizado en el USMC M4A2 durante la Batalla de Iwo Jima?

 

Graham Book, thank you very much for your input on the issue I raised. As I live on the other side of the Atlantic and my language is not exactly English but Spanish and I support myself in many cases with the google translator for various topics, little I know of these interesting pages. I am reviewing them and at least in the Missing Lynx I found an interesting article about the universal carrier that will help me to detail several little things. In the other, MAFVA i had to register and i'm waiting for approval by the modelers so i can't still see its content or the color guide you want to mention, but as soon as they give me access I will enter to make a look. I will review the scheme of the shermans in iwojima to see what happens while I also wait if I find someone who wants to change this model that I have for a British one.

[Carlos Eduardo Navarro Ocando]

3 hours ago, Das Abteilung said:

Como ha dicho Graham, el Sherman está particularmente bien investigado. Sin embargo, los kits de Sherman están menos investigados. Muchos de los mayores provienen de días en los que sabíamos menos. Algunos se basan en ejemplos conservados que no representan configuraciones de la Segunda Guerra Mundial. Algunos simplemente están equivocados en algunos lugares, a veces fundamentalmente. Como el "M4 Early" de Tamiya, que es un corte y cierre de extremos delanteros y traseros que no coinciden y muy costoso de corregir.

 

La mayor parte de lo que necesita saber sobre ellos se puede encontrar aquí  http://the.shadock.free.fr/sherman_minutia/index.html  y aquí  http://www.theshermantank.com/ . El Sherman es un tanque asombrosamente complejo con cientos de variaciones entre fábricas y con el tiempo.

 

La mayoría de los fabricantes de kits Sherman fabrican versiones británicas específicas de los mismos, para los tipos utilizados por las fuerzas del Reino Unido y la Commonwealth. Tamiya es una excepción. Si desea modelar un Sherman británico o de la Commonwealth, le recomendamos que obtenga uno de estos kits, ya que tienen las piezas adicionales instaladas en los Sherman británicos y de la Commonwealth. Si bien puede obtener todos los bits como repuestos en el mercado secundario, es mucho más caro y puede ser difícil encontrarlos todos en la misma tienda.

 

Su kit Tarawa es un Sherman diesel M4A2, conocido como Sherman III en el Reino Unido. Sí, les dimos diferentes designaciones solo para confundir las cosas. En particular, es un tanque construido por Fisher Body en el Grand Blanc Tank Arsenal. Esta fábrica producía M4A2 con capotas de conductor de borde cuadrado soldadas únicas y fácilmente identificables, y eran comunes en el servicio británico.

 

Este es un M4A2 Sherman III bastante estándar en el norte de África. Probablemente en Light Stone y Black. Es un modelo de producción anterior (observe los primeros bogies M3) de otra fábrica, pero eso no importa. Puede ver los escudos de arena, que en realidad se instalaron de fábrica en todos los Sherman hasta principios de 1944, pero generalmente fueron eliminados por unidades y realmente solo se usaron en el norte de África. Los rieles laterales sobre los escudos de arena fueron una adición británica para llevar pantallas de camuflaje para disfrazar el tanque como un camión, conocido como sombrillas. Estas pantallas se usaron raramente y los rieles generalmente se ven con el equipo de la tripulación colgado de ellos. Puede ver la caja de almacenamiento de patrón británico en la parte trasera de la torreta. En el guardabarros delantero derecho hay una rejilla para 3 botes de agua de 2 galones. Aquí se coloca una caja de municiones en el guardabarros delantero izquierdo como caja de almacenamiento. Todas estas piezas están incluidas en cualquiera de los kits de Sherman del desierto británico Dragon o Asuka que se muestran a continuación. En el desierto, los extintores de incendios británicos y los bastidores de enlace de vía de repuesto aún no estaban instalados. Vinieron después.

 

 

    

 

 

Como también dijo Graham, tiene otras opciones para el Pacífico para su equipo. En el momento de Iwo Jima y el camuflaje USMC de 3 colores, estos M4A2 anteriores habían sido reemplazados en gran medida por versiones posteriores. Pero aquí hay uno como el tuyo con armadura de tablones de madera y camuflaje adicionales.

 

Rusia también recibió algunos M4A2 similares al suyo, pero no estoy seguro de que tuvieran exactamente el mismo. Este parece uno de Federal Machine & Welder.

 

 

Sincerely I am very grateful for your contribution in teaching me about this subject that for me is completely new. I was not aware of so many shortcomings in shermans tank kits, these being such a widely used armored vehicle in WWII.

 

Thanks to your contribution with the pages that you recommended to me, I just realized about the details to which you made references about the British shermans, particularly those related to the running gear and the turret mantlet, which are the more difficult to try to recreate in scrach, unfortunately for me, I will have to put aside the desire to build a British sherman with this kit that I have at hand I will have to see what colorful scheme I can do to this one already I don't want to just make it green

[Carlos Eduardo Navarro Ocando]

4 hours ago, Graham Boak said:

El interior del Universal Carrier era el del color más claro del esquema Caunter. Supongo que tiene un plan del plan Caunter para el transportista. Si no es así, envíeme un pm con su dirección de correo electrónico y lo escanearé por usted.

 

He estado buscando en varias referencias, y el requisito oficial era Desert Pink con un patrón disruptivo verde oscuro, que fluye principalmente hacia adelante y hacia atrás. Parece que algunos centros carecían de un suministro de estas pinturas, por lo que los tanques se pintaron Light Stone, a menudo con negro. A juzgar por las ilustraciones que he encontrado, esto fue predominantemente cierto para los Sherman II (M4A1) con la mayoría de los Sherman II (M4A2) en Desert Pink y Green, aunque posiblemente este fue en realidad el Olive Drab original. Existe una sugerencia de que el casco inferior y la suspensión también retuvieron Olive Drab, pero esto es claramente falso en el ejemplo anterior.

 

Me preocupa un poco que estés al margen de un par de temas muy complicados. Los Shermans existían en una amplia gama de variantes, con cinco tipos diferentes que se fabricaban en un mayor número de fábricas, todas las cuales ofrecían diferentes detalles, además de una serie continua de cambios por razones operativas o de otro tipo, que no introducir introducido en cada variante y en cada fábrica al mismo tiempo. Los camuflajes del ejército británico no son tan complicados, una vez que se han tenido en cuenta los cambios a medida que avanzaba la guerra. Mike Starmer ha publicado varios folletos útiles que incluyen las fichas de color adecuado. Sin embargo, las marcas de la unidad son otra cuestión. He aquí una buena introducción al tema.https: // British Tank Markings - Overview (tank-markings.blogspot.com) /p/british-tank-markings-overview.html.

 

I would be extremely grateful for all the information you could provide me for this project (which I have already started, that is, I am already taking the pieces and assembling it, and unless I delay including details in scrach, I would soon be ready to start painting the interior to later assemble the parts and paint the exterior).

 

As I mentioned, the bases for my project are the universal carrier MKii with a 1:35 scale, the set of real color paints from aka interactive that includes the paints BSC N64 Portland Stone, BSC 61 Light Stone, BSC 34 Slate; BSC 28 Silver Gray, additionally I also have the British colors (Also from the real sw ak interactive color line) SCC 1A Brown; SCC 14 Blue Black, SCC 2 Brown and SCC 15 olive drab (I don't have the desert pink ), that in addition to my desire to make a striking model that is rarely represented (at least on these sides, since always with the American and British theme opt for monochrome schemes).

 

As I mentioned before, perhaps I will soon be painting the interior, for which, since I am going to apply the caunter scheme, you recommend that I use the lightest of the yellow tones, but reviewing the colors I notice that the portland stone is clearer that the light stone

 

 

 

Any mistake with the paint there ?, what do you recommend ??, two other doubts I have are the color under those color tones used in these schemes in the desert, it was green scc 15 or the American olive green ?, This one was with that base color both inside and outside ?, My question is to try to more faithfully recreate the possible chips.

Edited January 21, 2021 by Carlos Eduardo Navarro Ocando

[Graham Boak]

The US Olive Drab sometimes, but there was a British local colour called Dark Olive Green PFI which was used with Desert Pink on the Shermans.  It is not known for certain what this colour was, perhaps SCC 7 or perhaps something a little lighter.  SCC15 didn't come until mid 1944.

 

For the Caunter scheme use Portland Stone, Slate and Silver Grey.

 

The Shermans on Iwo Jima had a multi-colour camouflage.  I haven't made one but did do a DUKW, several years ago.  

 

PS  I believe I've seen mention of a two-colour camouflage seen on some US Shermans in Normandy, but I know no other details..

[Kingsman]

Other people are better placed to advise you on the colours for your Carrier.

 

Going back to your Sherman, your colourful choice must be USMC.  But the first-generation tanks like this kit (the ones with protruding drivers hoods) are less often seen camouflaged.  Star Decals sheet 35-886 has markings for King Kong, a 3-colour camouflaged tank of this type on Saipan.  it has a rear water tank, which was common on USMC tanks and is easily added.  It has the wood plank side armour, which is also easily made from thin plywood or thin bass wood: don't use balsa, it won't look right.  Value Gear have some resin wood armour sets.  The USMC tank picture I posted is OD and black, although the wood might be another green.

[Mike Starmer]

That image of several Shemans in line are not in desert colours.  They are in Light Mud and black painted correctly in the 1943 disruptive pattern for Italy.   Carlos, mail me at mikestarmer18 at gmail dot com and I will send you both the 1942 and 1943 patterns for Shermans and the diagram for Caunter on carriers.

[Carlos Eduardo Navarro Ocando]

Buenas noches (aquí en Ecuador son apenas las 10 pm aunque en Inglaterra deben ser como las 4:00 am). Mientras intercambiaba opiniones con ustedes, decidí seguir adelante con el Universal Carrier y lo llevo así. Quiero agradecer a Graham Boak por la información proporcionada sobre el esquema de caunter en los transportistas universales 

 

 

 

  

Por fin despues de un par de horas intentando cargar las fotos desde el celular ya lo logré... Acá están. Espero sus opiniones... Gracias...

 

 

 

 

Edited January 24, 2021 by Carlos Eduardo Navarro Ocando

[Mike Starmer]

Carlos, the carriers in Caunter were not pink outside, but the same light colours as inside.  Some of those AK paints are not accurate.  You have the rear pattern incorrect, it is very different to the front.  Desert Pink did not come into main use until October 1942.  

[Carlos Eduardo Navarro Ocando]

Hace 29 minutos, Mike Starmer dijo:

Carlos, los portaaviones de Caunter no eran rosas por fuera, sino de los mismos colores claros que por dentro. Algunas de esas pinturas AK no son precisas. Tiene el patrón trasero incorrecto, es muy diferente al delantero. Desert Pink no entró en uso principal hasta octubre de 1942.  

Hello, good morning Mike, thanks for the comment, however I don't know why you say I used desert pink !!!  I am reviewing the photos and I do not see any similarity between the light color that I use in the model with the desert pink.  The shade you use inside is the same as the one placed outside (Portland stone), don't use desert pink.  Regarding the bug in the camouflage on the rear.  I do not know what you mean.  Do you have photos that tell me what the error is? I do have a photo that shows that the application of the caunter camouflage on the back of the universal carrier is how I place it on the model, I have even seen photos where the caunter camouflage applied  in this vehicle it is similar to the one applied in trucks where the pattern starts at the front and the lines widen towards the rear, furthermore, as I understand, this scheme was also applied in the field by the units, so they were not necessarily identical in  all vehicles, here is the photo of the rear of the universal carrier that shows that it is not applied badly on the model:

 

 

 

[Mike Starmer]

Two things.  First the these vehicles were not painted' in the field'.  They were correctly and properly painted at base workshops in Egypt before issue to units.  Secondly, the pattern on the rear of carriers is not the same as lorries or the front of the carrier.  Your picture is misleading as it only shows one left corner.  I believe I sent the pattern to you.

 

[Robert Stuart]

Mike, can you share an image of the correct scheme?
I'd be interested to learn too.

TIA

[Carlos Eduardo Navarro Ocando]

Good afternoon everybody. First of all I want to apologize for not answering before here or to the private emails but I was somewhat busy in other tasks and could not pay much attention to the modeling issue. However, before I was busy I was able to finish the Universal carrier. Later I show some of the final photos, however, I would like first to thank the support I received here and by mail on how to paint this kit, I particularly want to tell my friend Mike Starmer, that despite the fact that in the photo I previously sent you can find quite clear with respect to how the pattern placed on that vehicle is (at least in the photo that I showed I do not think there are ambiguities or difficulties in interpreting the photo), if I had used in my case the pattern that Graham Boak sent me by mail like you:

 

 

 

 

Why did I use the reference of the pattern and not the photo ??, because the truth could have decided to keep the one in the photo, however, as I understand it was a factory set pattern, I assumed that the photo could well be an exception and that more commonly they will look as shown in the standard pattern. Anyway, I show you some of the final photos (I want to clarify something, in some of the following photos you can see the figure of a German soldier, obviously that figure does not go there, I just put it as a size reference, I like to compare the kits armed with figures of the scale and almost always use the same hahaha. The fact is that it is not that I am very much given to assembling figures and in my life I have assembled and painted more than three, however, with the figures that this kit brought, I embarked on the adventure of trying to modify their positions and save them for a future and possible diorama where I show this and some other British vehicle captured by the Germans and where would Rommel be in his "GRIEF" supervising the transport of prisoners ... or something like that more or less I imagine hahaha):

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[JackG]

Concerning the markings chosen for the carrier, I suspect a timeline problem.  The Rhino badge of the 1st Armoured Div. - this unit wasn't present as a fighting force until 1942,  well after the Caunter scheme was discontinued.

 

Am also unsure of the combination of markings Tamyia have laid out.  56 is the middle Infantry Battalion in a European Infantry Div.  The infantry unit attached to a Middle East armoured unit should be an independent motorized battalion.   Even here sources conflict on the exact AoS serial.  One has it the Senior Armd. Bde. is 60, and Junior Armrd. Bde.  as 87.

 

 

 

Another book source (Benghazi Handicap by Frank Chadwick) have it as 78 and 79 respectively.

 

 

 

 

regards,

Jack

Edited February 2, 2021 by JackG

[Carlos Eduardo Navarro Ocando]

2 hours ago, JackG said:

Con respecto a las marcas elegidas para el transportista, sospecho que hay un problema en la línea de tiempo. La insignia de Rhino de la 1.a División Blindada. - esta unidad no estuvo presente como fuerza de combate hasta 1942, mucho después de que se suspendiera el esquema Caunter.

 

Tampoco estoy seguro de la combinación de marcas que Tamyia ha establecido.  56 es el batallón de infantería medio en una división de infantería europea. La unidad de infantería adjunta a una unidad blindada de Oriente Medio debe ser un batallón motorizado independiente. Incluso aquí las fuentes entran en conflicto con la serie exacta de AoS. Uno lo tiene el Senior Armd. Bde. tiene 60 años y Junior Armrd. Bde. como 87 .

 

 

 

Otra fuente del libro (Benghazi Handicap de Frank Chadwick) lo tiene como 78 y 79 respectivamente.

 

 

 

 

Saludos,

Jack

😳🙁😔🥺😭 Ya sirvió para nada este trabajo😢 las calcas las coloque usando las indicaciones de tamiya para estos😢😓. No se que pueda hacer para arreglarlo😭😭😭 alguna sugerencia?

[Carlos Eduardo Navarro Ocando]

Yo  me siento frustrado 🥺🥺🥺😢😢😢😭😭😭