Kari Lumppio Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 (edited) Hello! Managed to get Hasegawa 1/72 F-104G (kit 00447) affordably. I have read that exhaust cone (afterburner) was changed on Lutwaffe Starfighters but do not know which model to which model. I would like to do JaBo 26+30 in Norm 83 from year 1985. Do I use the part A2 (shorter) or E3 (longer) for the exhaust cone? Is there something else I should know about the airframe details? Where can one get 1/72 decals for then Luftwaffe Norm 83 aircraft codes? Preferably ones with perfect register of colours. Cheers, Kari Edited January 18, 2021 by Kari Lumppio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 The exhaust cone was changed in the mid '70s as part of the J79 smoke reduction package so for an aircraft in 1985 you need to use the longer one. For decals I would check HaHen, they have a number of sheets for Luftwaffe Starfighters and also sheets with numbers and crosses in various sizes. Not cheap unfortunately 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Astra Decals has a Luftwaffe Starfighter multisheet which is very comprehensive; the sheet with the numerals can be ordered seperately. Alternatively, although not the specific aircraft you want to do, RoG's 03904 boxing comes with a well printed sheet with two Norm 83 options, JaBoG 333 26+44 and JaBoG 34 23+92. Cheers, Andre 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kari Lumppio Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share Posted January 18, 2021 (edited) Hello! Thanks for the answers. Meanwhile I have educated myself somewhat at the http://www.916-starfighter.de/ and Flightschwein’s F-104G http://www.rolfferch.de/F104G/index.html -pages. Also found thread German nuclear strike configured F-104G questions here which has also info about the 26+30: https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235018330-german-nuclear-strike-configured-f-104g-questions/ but not the answer did it have the cannon or cannon cover. It was "special" strike configured. What is interesting in the 26+30 photo ( http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g77/Mlodj/NukeB61onGermanF-104.jpg~original ) is that it has the older EL-70 conical ECM antennas. One would think that with Norm 83 camo it would have been updated wholly with the newer EL-73 and related antennas? See http://www.rolfferch.de/F104G/html/sondereinbauten.html for the EL70/EL73 ECM system details. Devil is in the details as always. For 26+30:: cannon cover or not? In the photo old EL-70 antennas, why? Does it have the Hintere AL-73 antenna? Cheers, Kari Edited January 18, 2021 by Kari Lumppio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Kari Lumppio said: Devil is in the details as always. Couldn't agree more! Quote For 26+30:: cannon cover or not? In the photo old EL-70 antennas, why? Does it have the Hintere AL-73 antenna? Cannon cover - yes, see here. EL-70C only, the EL-73 supplemented rather than replaced the earlier ECM system and was only fitted to 112 Luftwaffe F-104G's, while the EL-70C equipped 150. HTH, Andre 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kari Lumppio Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share Posted January 18, 2021 Dank je, Andre! Just the answers I needed plus one photo more of 26+30 which I did not find. Cheers, Kari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, Kari Lumppio said: Dank je, Andre! Just the answers I needed plus one photo more of 26+30 which I did not find. Cheers, Kari Graag gedaan! Incidentally, she is now preserved at a Dutch museum, but in a rather spurious paint scheme. Cheers, Andre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcB Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Kari Lumppio said: Dank je, Andre! Just the answers I needed plus one photo more of 26+30 which I did not find. Cheers, Kari One more pic of 26+30 test074 Memmingen december 1986 MB 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kari Lumppio Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share Posted January 18, 2021 Brilliant! Thank you all fellows. Kari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starfighter Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 21 hours ago, Hook said: Couldn't agree more! Cannon cover - yes, see here. EL-70C only, the EL-73 supplemented rather than replaced the earlier ECM system and was only fitted to 112 Luftwaffe F-104G's, while the EL-70C equipped 150. HTH, Andre Regarding the gun port I've just checked that photo, and the cover is NOT fitted. HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Just now, Starfighter said: Regarding the gun port I've just checked that photo, and the cover is NOT fitted. HTH Your eyesight is better than mine then! - thanks. Cheers, Andre 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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