Ray_W Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 I am just about to launch into my RAAF Mirage build for the ANZAC GB to be finished in grey-green camouflage. The green is Olive Drab BS381C-298. I have read somewhere that it is equivalent to S.C.C.15 which suits me as I can use a Mike Starmer Tamiya mix. I know Hataka and Colorcoats @Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies have this colour in their range, but I am limited to Gunze and Tamiya. Are the two olive drabs the same? Hope you can help. Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 38 minutes ago, Ray_W said: I am just about to launch into my RAAF Mirage build for the ANZAC GB to be finished in grey-green camouflage. The green is Olive Drab BS381C-298. I have read somewhere that it is equivalent to S.C.C.15 which suits me as I can use a Mike Starmer Tamiya mix. I know Hataka and Colorcoats @Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies have this colour in their range, but I am limited to Gunze and Tamiya. Are the two olive drabs the same? Hope you can help. Ray Our colour values are slightly different and indeed I maintain two distinct paints for these - i.e. one is not a relabel of the other. Our SCC15 is slightly more saturated than BS381C-298. However, given that most people, males in particular and middle-aged and upwards males specifically generally struggle to perceive differences between colours in the brown to olive range, I think you'd get away with it. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_W Posted January 17, 2021 Author Share Posted January 17, 2021 19 minutes ago, Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies said: Our colour values are slightly different and indeed I maintain two distinct paints for these - i.e. one is not a relabel of the other. Our SCC15 is slightly more saturated than BS381C-298. However, given that most people, males in particular and middle-aged and upwards males specifically generally struggle to perceive differences between colours in the brown to olive range, I think you'd get away with it. Thanks Jamie, a perfect response - they are not the same. Very interesting. If it was a flat finish aircraft then the bottom one would be the choice, but a slightly shiny base commander's aircraft (washed/polished?) even looks more green (dark green). I am certainly in the age group that has the difficulty mentioned. Looks like more research is in order before I pull the trigger. Thanks again for the rapid and useful response. Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steben Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 (edited) On 17/01/2021 at 19:04, Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies said: Our colour values are slightly different and indeed I maintain two distinct paints for these - i.e. one is not a relabel of the other. Our SCC15 is slightly more saturated than BS381C-298. However, given that most people, males in particular and middle-aged and upwards males specifically generally struggle to perceive differences between colours in the brown to olive range, I think you'd get away with it. It does not end with these two. If one compares RAF dark green, BS 298, BS 285, SCC15 and SCC16 they all are in a certain pool of colours. It gets worse once they start aging, for an aged paint which was freshly a chromatic version of drab can become a greyish one which resembles a freh low chromatic drab. Edited April 13, 2022 by Steben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steben Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 (edited) On 17/01/2021 at 19:04, Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies said: Our colour values are slightly different and indeed I maintain two distinct paints for these - i.e. one is not a relabel of the other. Our SCC15 is slightly more saturated than BS381C-298. However, given that most people, males in particular and middle-aged and upwards males specifically generally struggle to perceive differences between colours in the brown to olive range, I think you'd get away with it. This gets worse / is more so / with less lightness. Museums with deficient light sources usually get away with differences Question: are these measured with a spectrometer on flat samples (ic SCC15 the Starmer one?)? And do you have (a) reference(s) to another colour f.e. a RAL? I ask this because measured RGB values are found everywhere but are usually different . These are three different colours: Edited April 19, 2022 by Steben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 20 minutes ago, Steben said: I ask this because measured RGB values are found everywhere but are usually different . Thats because there is a multitude of RGB "standards" - it is one of the worst way invented to uniquely represent the color. Especially in the context of paints. I try never to compare them directly unless I have no choice. CIELab with known illuminant is much better option if available. Munsell notation does work too. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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