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9 hours ago, Robertone139 said:

The same ol’crappy kit with the wrong and too wide windscreen.

They are down to what Matchbox and FROG used to be, lazy Italians.

I am Italian so I can say that.

 

Good business sense though. That box art and the 'Death Rattlers' scheme on the 'super decal' sheet is drawing me in.

 

And I have a pot of (probably not quite the right shade) blue paint that needs using up. 😄

 

 

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12 hours ago, Robertone139 said:

The same ol’crappy kit with the wrong and too wide windscreen.

They are down to what Matchbox and FROG used to be, lazy Italians.

I am Italian so I can say that.

 

Have to unfortunately agree, and I'm also Italian, Italeri have been resting on their catalogue of old kits for too long. Some of them may have been nice or even very nice for their days but the competition has moved on a lot in the meantime while the company does not seem to be interested in replacing their old stuff.

I can understand that as long as the older kits keep selling well enough they may want to keep reboxing them, but thanks to this approach today Italeri is becoming less and less interesting for many modellers, with the exception of a few niches (their latest 1/32 kits are not bad).

The last time I opened an Italeri box and really liked the content was with the 1/72 T-33.. that was a reboxed Platz kit, If Italeri want to become a distributor for Far East brands so be it, I'm happy to see more kits like that at the overall good prices for which Italeri offered them, but I'd like to see more new good stuff made in Calderara, not only reboxed Japanese kits.

 

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15 hours ago, Robertone139 said:

The same ol’crappy kit with the wrong and too wide windscreen.

They are down to what Matchbox and FROG used to be, lazy Italians.

I am Italian so I can say that.

Seems like nowadays manufacturers stopped developing new tools except Airfix and some Asian firms which is very sad. Crisis and pandemic took its toll

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33 minutes ago, Rudolf Korachkin said:

Seems like nowadays manufacturers stopped developing new tools except Airfix and some Asian firms which is very sad. Crisis and pandemic took its toll

Italeri stopped years ago. Even variants of existing kits that were on their catalogue were never issued.

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Italeri haven't stopped tooling up new kits...  I can't comment on their other areas, but these are recent new tool 1:12 cars that they have done:

Lancia Delta Integrale currently on it's way to release.

Alfa 8C 2300 Monza - new in 2019 (a roadster version followed shortly afterwards)

Fiat 500 in  2017 & the Abarth 695SS derivative in 2018.

 

Details here (dates above are from scalemates):  https://www.italeri.com/en/category/8/61

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2 hours ago, Paul H said:

Italeri haven't stopped tooling up new kits...  I can't comment on their other areas, but these are recent new tool 1:12 cars that they have done:

Lancia Delta Integrale currently on it's way to release.

Alfa 8C 2300 Monza - new in 2019 (a roadster version followed shortly afterwards)

Fiat 500 in  2017 & the Abarth 695SS derivative in 2018.

 

Details here (dates above are from scalemates):  https://www.italeri.com/en/category/8/61

So, an average of one car every year since 2017 but none for 2020. Spectacular, excuse my sarcasm.

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Italeri's core business is proverbial cherry on top, using or better said cleverly utilising infrastructure of what was 10x times bigger company up to mid 1990's- they don't solely rely on selling kits for their income.

None the less, its devastating to see not only relative lack of new toolings, but more so essentially not utilising their own portfolio or tooling bank because (as in numerous other cases) having wrong people at wrong positions, literally not knowing what and when.

At the same time their high value products  like 35th scale boats, 32nd scale aircraft abd 1/12 cars are still great sellers, but as with numerous examples lately prices are skyrocketing, as well production runs being highly conservative making most Italeri kits essentially limited releases.

Lancia Delta in 1/12 for app.170-200€ per box is mind boggling, as for other new tools, F-35B in 48th scale( great decision in my view) slated for December release is again postponed, first new 48th airplane tooling in 12 years!...all in all not good-complacency set in -in a big way.

 

P.S. several toolings that are still unsurpassed

H-19 latest box released 2002

H-21 latest box released 2011

Hs 129.....2010

Me 210.....2012

Me 323.....2010

DUKW.......2014

LVT 1/2...........2001/2008

etc...etc..

 

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On 11/25/2021 at 1:52 PM, Robertone139 said:

The same ol’crappy kit with the wrong and too wide windscreen.

They are down to what Matchbox and FROG used to be, lazy Italians.

I am Italian so I can say that.

The other problem is that the kit con only be built as an F4U-4B, NOT a straight F4U-4!  The F4U-4 had six .50 cal machine guns.  The kit comes with the four 20mm cannons which were only on the -4B.  I need a regular -4!  Maybe I try to graft on the wings, or outer wing panels from a -1.

Later,

Dave

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2 hours ago, e8n2 said:

The other problem is that the kit con only be built as an F4U-4B, NOT a straight F4U-4!  The F4U-4 had six .50 cal machine guns.  The kit comes with the four 20mm cannons which were only on the -4B.  I need a regular -4!  Maybe I try to graft on the wings, or outer wing panels from a -1.

Later,

Dave

Theres always the revell f4u-4 - has some errors also( being a f4u-1a base kit)

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On 11/27/2021 at 2:30 AM, Thomas V. said:

Italeri's core business is proverbial cherry on top, using or better said cleverly utilising infrastructure of what was 10x times bigger company up to mid 1990's- they don't solely rely on selling kits for their income.

None the less, its devastating to see not only relative lack of new toolings, but more so essentially not utilising their own portfolio or tooling bank because (as in numerous other cases) having wrong people at wrong positions, literally not knowing what and when.

At the same time their high value products  like 35th scale boats, 32nd scale aircraft abd 1/12 cars are still great sellers, but as with numerous examples lately prices are skyrocketing, as well production runs being highly conservative making most Italeri kits essentially limited releases.

Lancia Delta in 1/12 for app.170-200€ per box is mind boggling, as for other new tools, F-35B in 48th scale( great decision in my view) slated for December release is again postponed, first new 48th airplane tooling in 12 years!...all in all not good-complacency set in -in a big way.

 

P.S. several toolings that are still unsurpassed

H-19 latest box released 2002

H-21 latest box released 2011

Hs 129.....2010

Me 210.....2012

Me 323.....2010

DUKW.......2014

LVT 1/2...........2001/2008

etc...etc..

 

Hs 129, Me 210 and Me 323 are hardly toolings from the years you mentioned, not even from this millenium.

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8 hours ago, e8n2 said:

The other problem is that the kit con only be built as an F4U-4B, NOT a straight F4U-4!  The F4U-4 had six .50 cal machine guns.  The kit comes with the four 20mm cannons which were only on the -4B.  I need a regular -4!  Maybe I try to graft on the wings, or outer wing panels from a -1.

Later,

Dave

 

It might be better to graft the Italeri nose onto a -1 and make any other changes needed. The rear fuselage of the Italeri kit is noticeably undersized.

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On 11/25/2021 at 10:52 PM, Robertone139 said:

The same ol’crappy kit with the wrong and too wide windscreen.

They are down to what Matchbox and FROG used to be, lazy Italians.

I am Italian so I can say that.

 

Well that kit came 1994 and the windsceen at least fits to the fuselage. One thing that can't be said about their crappy P-51D Mustang that came two years later...

 

https://www.scalemates.com/kits/italeri-044-corsair-f-4u-5n--128350

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, MarkoZG said:

Hs 129, Me 210 and Me 323 are hardly toolings from the years you mentioned, not even from this millenium.

 

When it comes to new tool aircraft kits in 1/72 scale, Italeri's glory years are long behind them. This is an overview of the novelties of the last 25 years, with about half of these models being mediocre already at the time of release.

  • 1997 - 5 - Boeing F-18 Super Hornet (0083) | Bell 412 Twin Huey (0084) | Bell 47 / OH-13 (0085) | North American P-51D Mustang (0086) | Fairchild-Republic A-10 Thunderbolt II (0087)
  • 1998 - 3 - Messerschmitt Me 210 (0077) | Eurocopter AS332 Super Puma / Cougar (0096) | North American F-100 Super Sabre (0098)
  • 1999 - 5 - Spitfire Vb (0001) | Kamov Ka-52 (0005) | Agusta A-129 Mangusta (0006) | Piasecki H-21 Shawnee (0007) | Messerschmitt Me 410 (0074)
  • 2000 - 5 - Saab 39 Gripen (0008) | Sikorsky S-55 / H-19 (1206) | Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor (1207) | Boeing X-32 JSF (1208) | Lockeed X-35 JSF (1209)
  • 2001 - 2 - Grumman F6F-3 Hellcat (1213) | Macchi C.202 Folgore (1222)
  • 2002 - 2 - EH 101 Merlin (1219) | Macchi C.205 Veltro (1227)
  • 2003 - 1 - Savoia-Marchetti SM.79 Sparviero (1225)
  • 2004 - 1 - Republic P-47N Thunderbolt (1240)
  • 2005 - 1 - Douglas B-26K Counter Invader (1249)
  • 2006 - 1 - Fiat CR.42 Falco (1260)
  • 2007 - 1 - Savoia-Marchetti SM.82 Marsupiale (1270)
  • 2008 - 0
  • 2009 - 1 - Reggiane Re.2000 (1272)
  • 2010 - 1 - Aeritalia G.222 / Alenia C-27J Spartan (1284)
  • 2011 - 0
  • 2012 - 1 - Short Sunderland (1302)
  • 2013 - 1 - Lockheed Martin F-35A Lightning II (1331)
  • 2014 - 1 - Short Stirling (1350)
  • 2015 - 0
  • 2016 - 0
  • 2017 - 0
  • 2018 - 0
  • 2019 - 1 - Lockheed Martin F-35B Lightning II (1425)
  • 2020 - 0
  • 2021 - 0
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20 hours ago, Modelraynz said:

Theres always the revell f4u-4 - has some errors also( being a f4u-1a base kit)

That looks like what I'll have to do.  I checked my -1A/Ds in the stash and they are all rag wings (partially fabric covered), and the -4 had an all metal wing (with the possible exception of the control surfaces).  I'm also thinking of possibly taking the outer panels from an F2G that I plan on grafting the nose section onto a Tamiya birdcage F4U-1.  Of course if it had cannons too then that will be a no go as well.

Later,

Dave

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3 hours ago, e8n2 said:

That looks like what I'll have to do.  I checked my -1A/Ds in the stash and they are all rag wings (partially fabric covered), and the -4 had an all metal wing (with the possible exception of the control surfaces).  I'm also thinking of possibly taking the outer panels from an F2G that I plan on grafting the nose section onto a Tamiya birdcage F4U-1.  Of course if it had cannons too then that will be a no go as well.

Later,

Dave

ah yes the ragwing!  🤦‍♂️ could probably bash the italeri and revell together and get....something lol

 

coudl maybe use the revel 50cals on the italeri wing, revell windscreen etc....or italeri coudl give us a new tool :D

 

 

 

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