e8n2 Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 On 12/26/2021 at 10:25 PM, e8n2 said: Nope. I checked the Revel F4U-4 and it also has ragwings! It uses the same wings as their F4U-1A. The Special Hobby F2G-1 has the six .50 cals but even part of the wing on it outboard of the guns looks like they meant to make it a ragwing as well. The spacing between the guns is different between the -4B with two cannons per wing and the -4 with the six .50s. I have looked for an aftermarket set for folding the wings, but no such luck. There were thousands of F4U-4s built, and only 300 -4Bs, yet for now you can only get the -4B wing! Later, Dave An update. I checked a couple of more references, and some of the photos that I posted above, and the straight -4s had ragwings outboard of the guns. Italeri also has the rocket rails further forward than the ones in the photos. I read a review on the Hobbyboss kit and it looks like it has the rails in the correct position, at least the forward part. Look at the photos and it has longer and shallower rocket rails. I still may attach the F2G wings, or maybe (I hope not) get the Hobbyboss kit and maybe build it or take some of its parts, like the outer wing panels, to get what I want. I'll settle for shorter rocket rails as long as they can be put in the correct position relative to the wind leading edge. Later, Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomBigStu Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 On 4/9/2021 at 6:46 AM, Homebee said: Released - 1/72nd - ref. 1452 - North American F-51D - Mustang Korean War https://www.italeri.com/prodotto/2955 V.P. Bit random but what’s the italeri kit like, after the RAAF decals and can either buy the kit from my local or a cheap decal sheet? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VMA131Marine Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 1 hour ago, PhantomBigStu said: Bit random but what’s the italeri kit like, after the RAAF decals and can either buy the kit from my local or a cheap decal sheet? I’d put the Italeri kit below the Airfix and Tamiya P-51Ds and on a par with the Hasegawa and Academy kits. It’s much much better than the Revell, obviously. If you want the definitive 1/72 P-51D, wait for the Arma Hobby kit coming later this year. The Italeri kit is certainly buildable if you’re primarily after the decals. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomBigStu Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 36 minutes ago, VMA131Marine said: I’d put the Italeri kit below the Airfix and Tamiya P-51Ds and on a par with the Hasegawa and Academy kits. It’s much much better than the Revell, obviously. If you want the definitive 1/72 P-51D, wait for the Arma Hobby kit coming later this year. The Italeri kit is certainly buildable if you’re primarily after the decals. Was going to pick up the Hasegawa at some point so I shall get the Italeri, assume the shape is ok, HB I’m building now has a narrow nose that stands out next to the airfix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VMA131Marine Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 8 hours ago, PhantomBigStu said: Was going to pick up the Hasegawa at some point so I shall get the Italeri, assume the shape is ok, HB I’m building now has a narrow nose that stands out next to the airfix The Hasegawa isn’t too bad. The wheel well is really shallow though. The Airfix kit is probably my favourite for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 Looking at the sprues shots above, they still have the WW2 era cuffed HS prop, by the Korean war most F-51Ds will have the uncuffed HS prop, still I'd by it for the decal sheet, I fancy a SAAF one. Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomBigStu Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 (edited) That is a downside and would be nice for the spares box if it did have the uncuffed prop, as it happens the RAAF one at least when it was manufactured it had the cuffed prop and it’s hard to tell if it kept it or was refitted with the Aeroproducts uncuffed from later photos as CAC mustangs were. edit: just see the Hasegawa has the Aeroproducts prob, I may be buying both then.....shop also has the pacific combo set, hide my wallet 🤣 Edited June 13, 2022 by PhantomBigStu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 15 hours ago, PhantomBigStu said: Bit random but what’s the italeri kit like, after the RAAF decals and can either buy the kit from my local or a cheap decal sheet? I built one several years ago for a GB, not sure if pictures are still visible or not (I can see them but don't know if they are visible to others too) Personally I would not bother, mould quality is not great and fit isn't up with the best, that's even before looking at the shapes. You'll find some comments on various problems in my build. Now if this is cheap it may be worth getting one for the decals, personally at €16 MSRP I would probably leave it but each of us will have a different view. For an RAAF aircraft I'd probably just use generic RAF postwar roundels and print my codes, other subjects in the same box however are quite tempting and not as easy to make with spare decals 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomBigStu Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 (edited) Yes they are visible Giorgio N, that has put me off despite your good go of it...I shall just buy the cheap decal sheet and then buy the Hasegawa kit (or maybe the combo) instead...... EDIT: In fact I have now ordered the decals......cheers guys for all the help Edited June 13, 2022 by PhantomBigStu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 3 hours ago, Giorgio N said: Now if this is cheap it may be worth getting one for the decals 11 quid at Jadlam - depending on your definition of cheap, obviously. (I am Dutch, I don't impress easily in that regard. )) Cheers, Andre 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VMA131Marine Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 4 hours ago, PhantomBigStu said: Yes they are visible Giorgio N, that has put me off despite your good go of it...I shall just buy the cheap decal sheet and then buy the Hasegawa kit (or maybe the combo) instead...... EDIT: In fact I have now ordered the decals......cheers guys for all the help I’d go with Airfix before Hasegawa. Tamiya would be second choice. Hasegawa doesn’t have dropped flaps, which are almost universal when the aircraft is parked and Airfix has a much better wheel well. You can see the Hasegawa instructions here https://www.scalemates.com/kits/hasegawa-01455-p-51d-mustang--241267 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomBigStu Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, VMA131Marine said: I’d go with Airfix before Hasegawa. Tamiya would be second choice. Hasegawa doesn’t have dropped flaps, which are almost universal when the aircraft is parked and Airfix has a much better wheel well. You can see the Hasegawa instructions here https://www.scalemates.com/kits/hasegawa-01455-p-51d-mustang--241267 Neither are a problem for me as I build in flight, built a few of the airfix, not a fan of the canopy frame being separate, but likely will I get the hasegawa at some point in the future.....edit a seller on eBay sent me an offer on an no box no canopy no decals airfix and it was too cheap to refuse given I have a spare canopy Edited June 13, 2022 by PhantomBigStu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Lambess Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) On 26/12/2021 at 05:38, Piotr Mikolajski said: When it comes to new tool aircraft kits in 1/72 scale, Italeri's glory years are long behind them. This is an overview of the novelties of the last 25 years, with about half of these models being mediocre already at the time of release. 1997 - 5 - Boeing F-18 Super Hornet (0083) | Bell 412 Twin Huey (0084) | Bell 47 / OH-13 (0085) | North American P-51D Mustang (0086) | Fairchild-Republic A-10 Thunderbolt II (0087) 1998 - 3 - Messerschmitt Me 210 (0077) | Eurocopter AS332 Super Puma / Cougar (0096) | North American F-100 Super Sabre (0098) 1999 - 5 - Spitfire Vb (0001) | Kamov Ka-52 (0005) | Agusta A-129 Mangusta (0006) | Piasecki H-21 Shawnee (0007) | Messerschmitt Me 410 (0074) 2000 - 5 - Saab 39 Gripen (0008) | Sikorsky S-55 / H-19 (1206) | Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor (1207) | Boeing X-32 JSF (1208) | Lockeed X-35 JSF (1209) 2001 - 2 - Grumman F6F-3 Hellcat (1213) | Macchi C.202 Folgore (1222) 2002 - 2 - EH 101 Merlin (1219) | Macchi C.205 Veltro (1227) 2003 - 1 - Savoia-Marchetti SM.79 Sparviero (1225) 2004 - 1 - Republic P-47N Thunderbolt (1240) 2005 - 1 - Douglas B-26K Counter Invader (1249) 2006 - 1 - Fiat CR.42 Falco (1260) 2007 - 1 - Savoia-Marchetti SM.82 Marsupiale (1270) 2008 - 0 2009 - 1 - Reggiane Re.2000 (1272) 2010 - 1 - Aeritalia G.222 / Alenia C-27J Spartan (1284) 2011 - 0 2012 - 1 - Short Sunderland (1302) 2013 - 1 - Lockheed Martin F-35A Lightning II (1331) 2014 - 1 - Short Stirling (1350) 2015 - 0 2016 - 0 2017 - 0 2018 - 0 2019 - 1 - Lockheed Martin F-35B Lightning II (1425) 2020 - 0 2021 - 0 Interesting list .especially the realisation that the last all new tooled aircraft was the Stirling 8 years ago . (To be fair there have been new architecture kits , and retooling of certain parts of the supermodel kits and subjects like the do 24 ) Overall tho it looks like Italeri don't have a tooling department to support anymore or appear to have not embraced CAD design and production Clearly they are making enough profit from back catalogue releases and reboxing of other brands (the superb Platz T33 for one ) to stay viable as a company but it is a shame that new subjects have all but dissappeared Edited June 14, 2022 by Neil Lambess Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GioCare Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 25 minutes ago, Neil Lambess said: Interesting list .especially the realisation that the last all new tooled aircraft was the Stirling 8 years ago . (To be fair there have been new architecture kits , and retooling of certain parts of the supermodel kits and subjects like the do 24 ) Overall tho it looks like Italeri don't have a tooling department to support anymore or appear to have not embraced CAD design and production Clearly they are making enough profit from back catalogue releases and reboxing of other brands (the superb Platz T33 for one ) to stay viable as a company but it is a shame that new subjects have all but dissappeared the list is only dedicated to 72nd scale aircraft kit, so if we consider the 48 and 32 kits the question is simply: is Italeri market still focused on 72nd scale aricraft as in the past? not anymore .... Italeri market department is thinking that other scales are more profitable. That's all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 40 minutes ago, Neil Lambess said: especially the realisation that the last all new tooled aircraft was the Stirling 8 years ago The Tornado is not an aircraft..? Cheers, Andre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fin Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Is there any further word on the re-release of the Henschel HS129B? I saw it mentioned on the first page of this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piotr Mikolajski Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 3 hours ago, Fin said: Is there any further word on the re-release of the Henschel HS129B? I saw it mentioned on the first page of this thread. Announced since 2019. Not so bad, especially when compared to the announcement of the reissue F-111A from ESCI, which has been announced since 2017. Or new tool NATO Pilots, Ground Crew and Accessories set, announced since 2016. 7 hours ago, Neil Lambess said: Overall tho it looks like Italeri don't have a tooling department to support anymore or appear to have not embraced CAD design and production I wouldn't say that, Italeri is releasing new kits. The problem is that even if you take the three popular aircraft scales together, the number of new releases from Italeri has been dropping for years. Below I insert a similar summary for 1/32 and 1/48 scale, and at the end a chart summarizing all Italeri aircraft novelties from 1997-2021. 1/32 2013 - 1 - Lockheed F-104G/S Starfighter (2502) 2014 - 0 2015 - 1 - Dassault Mirage IIIC (2505) 2016 - 0 2017 - 1 - Lockheed F-35A Lightning II (2506) 2018 - 0 2019 - 0 2020 - 1 - Panavia Tornado GR.4 (2513) 2021 - 0 1/48 1997 - 1 - Bell UH-1N Twin Huey Gunship (847) 1998 - 2 - Bell UH-1D Slick (849) | Bell OH-13S Sioux (857) 1999 - 2 - Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor (850) | Boeing RAH-66 Comanche (860) 2000 - 1 - Eurofighter EF-2000 Typhoon (862) 2001 - 2 - Boeing F/A-18E Super Hornet (2611) | Sikorsky MH-60G Pave Hawk (2612) 2002 - 1 - McDonnell Douglas F-15 A/C Eagle (2617) 2003 - 0 2004 - 0 2005 - 1 - Saab JAS 39 A Gripen (2638) 2006 - 3 - Fiat CR.42 LW (2640) | Boeing ACH-47A Armed Chinook (2647) | Fairchild-Republic A-10A Thunderbolt II (2655) 2007 - 0 2008 - 1 - BAe Hawk T.1 (2669) 2009 - 1 - Reggiane Re.2002 Ariete (2670) 2010 - 3 - Arado Ar 196A (2675) | Macchi C.200 Saetta (2676) | Junkers Ju 87B-2 (2690) 2011 - 2 - Bell OH-58D Kiowa (2704) | Hawker Hurricane I (2705) 2012 - 1 - Westland Wessex UH.5 (2720) 2013 - 0 2014 - 0 2015 - 0 2016 - 1 - Piasecki H-21C Shawnee "Flying Banana" (2733) 2017 - 0 2018 - 0 2019 - 0 2020 - 0 2021 - 0 Some people like to live in delusions, but the graph clearly shows that the golden era of Italeri is long behind us. Of course, someone can go even further into denial and claim that the graph is lying. In that case, below we have all the new tool kits from Italeri from 2020-2021: 2020 1/32 - 2513 - Panavia Tornado GR.4 1/56 - 15768 - Italian Tanks & Tank Destroyers (M13/40, M14/41, M40 da 75/18 mm, M41 da 75/18 mm) 1/72 - 7081 - T-55A 1/72 - 7082 - 15cm sFH 18 Field Howitzer / 10,5 cm sK 18 Field Gun 2021 1/12 - 4709 - Lancia Delta HF Integrale 16V 1/72 - 6198 - Montecassino Abbey 1944 Breaking the Gustav Line Of the four 2020 novelties, both in 1/72 scale are moulds bought from another company - if I remember correctly, Toxso Model. Of the two new releases from 2021, one is actually two sets of old ESCI figures plus Italeri vehicles from the Fast Assembly line, packed into one box with a laser-cut MDF building thrown in. That is, Italeri was only able to produce three novelties in two years. Three. Some might say that we had a pandemic, but it affected everyone. Other companies - how often considered small and insignificant - were able to release many more novelties at the same time: Eduard released 6 brand new kits, IBG Models released 11, ICM at least 16 brand new kits. Is Italeri able to produce more novelties per year? Perhaps, but for now it is hard to judge. Is Italeri able to match these companies in releasing brand new tool kits? In my opinion, no. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GioCare Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 47 minutes ago, Piotr Mikolajski said: Announced since 2019. Not so bad, especially when compared to the announcement of the reissue F-111A from ESCI, which has been announced since 2017. Or new tool NATO Pilots, Ground Crew and Accessories set, announced since 2016. I wouldn't say that, Italeri is releasing new kits. The problem is that even if you take the three popular aircraft scales together, the number of new releases from Italeri has been dropping for years. Below I insert a similar summary for 1/32 and 1/48 scale, and at the end a chart summarizing all Italeri aircraft novelties from 1997-2021. 1/32 2013 - 1 - Lockheed F-104G/S Starfighter (2502) 2014 - 0 2015 - 1 - Dassault Mirage IIIC (2505) 2016 - 0 2017 - 1 - Lockheed F-35A Lightning II (2506) 2018 - 0 2019 - 0 2020 - 1 - Panavia Tornado GR.4 (2513) 2021 - 0 1/48 1997 - 1 - Bell UH-1N Twin Huey Gunship (847) 1998 - 2 - Bell UH-1D Slick (849) | Bell OH-13S Sioux (857) 1999 - 2 - Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor (850) | Boeing RAH-66 Comanche (860) 2000 - 1 - Eurofighter EF-2000 Typhoon (862) 2001 - 2 - Boeing F/A-18E Super Hornet (2611) | Sikorsky MH-60G Pave Hawk (2612) 2002 - 1 - McDonnell Douglas F-15 A/C Eagle (2617) 2003 - 0 2004 - 0 2005 - 1 - Saab JAS 39 A Gripen (2638) 2006 - 3 - Fiat CR.42 LW (2640) | Boeing ACH-47A Armed Chinook (2647) | Fairchild-Republic A-10A Thunderbolt II (2655) 2007 - 0 2008 - 1 - BAe Hawk T.1 (2669) 2009 - 1 - Reggiane Re.2002 Ariete (2670) 2010 - 3 - Arado Ar 196A (2675) | Macchi C.200 Saetta (2676) | Junkers Ju 87B-2 (2690) 2011 - 2 - Bell OH-58D Kiowa (2704) | Hawker Hurricane I (2705) 2012 - 1 - Westland Wessex UH.5 (2720) 2013 - 0 2014 - 0 2015 - 0 2016 - 1 - Piasecki H-21C Shawnee "Flying Banana" (2733) 2017 - 0 2018 - 0 2019 - 0 2020 - 0 2021 - 0 Some people like to live in delusions, but the graph clearly shows that the golden era of Italeri is long behind us. Of course, someone can go even further into denial and claim that the graph is lying. In that case, below we have all the new tool kits from Italeri from 2020-2021: 2020 1/32 - 2513 - Panavia Tornado GR.4 1/56 - 15768 - Italian Tanks & Tank Destroyers (M13/40, M14/41, M40 da 75/18 mm, M41 da 75/18 mm) 1/72 - 7081 - T-55A 1/72 - 7082 - 15cm sFH 18 Field Howitzer / 10,5 cm sK 18 Field Gun 2021 1/12 - 4709 - Lancia Delta HF Integrale 16V 1/72 - 6198 - Montecassino Abbey 1944 Breaking the Gustav Line Of the four 2020 novelties, both in 1/72 scale are moulds bought from another company - if I remember correctly, Toxso Model. Of the two new releases from 2021, one is actually two sets of old ESCI figures plus Italeri vehicles from the Fast Assembly line, packed into one box with a laser-cut MDF building thrown in. That is, Italeri was only able to produce three novelties in two years. Three. Some might say that we had a pandemic, but it affected everyone. Other companies - how often considered small and insignificant - were able to release many more novelties at the same time: Eduard released 6 brand new kits, IBG Models released 11, ICM at least 16 brand new kits. Is Italeri able to produce more novelties per year? Perhaps, but for now it is hard to judge. Is Italeri able to match these companies in releasing brand new tool kits? In my opinion, no. a lot of resources were drained by the 1/35 serie of Torpedo Boat during the last decade, we have to consider this. Large big tools draining a lot of money and research. I see italeri has change its policy in these last years: big projects of large scale kits instead of several little 1/72 and 1/35 (armour) scale kits. The torpedo boat line was at the beginning though as a 1/72 new line, I remember the news fly reporting the first issue: it was an Italian MAS, after one year the project was cancelled and a new 1/35 line was announced, the first kit was the american PT boat ( in the same year of the MAS in 1/72, if I correctly remember, it was announced and never materialised the Caproni Ca3 in 1/48, in the Armour/tank line there was the FT in 1/35, all these projects disappeared the next year. The US distributor was not interested in such projects so Italeri preferred to cancel them instead to risk for) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Lambess Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 13 hours ago, Hook said: The Tornado is not an aircraft..? Cheers, Andre Good point ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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