bar side 4,912 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Hi i have a couple of old 1/48 Viper kits that I plan to update to block 50 standard and finish one off as Spangdahlem Wild Weasel. Now I have decals but the kits only contain basic tanks and aim 9s. I was thinking that I need a couple of Harms and maybe a couple of aim 120s. Now these are available but is there a 1/48 weapons pack or anything worth getting that would cover what I need? Any ideas or suggestions welcomed Link to post Share on other sites
exdraken 10,410 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Harm ( and Amraams) missiles are included in some kits, but unfortunately I am not aware of a weapons set incl Harms.... (edit, see below!) Are you prepared to spend money? Link to post Share on other sites
alex 1,194 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Well, there is the Hasegawa weapon set which contains the HARM. https://www.scalemates.com/kits/hasegawa-x48-3-aircraft-weapons-c--130519. However, the kit is rather old and the HARM did not look very nice in 1/72, I assume the 1/48-version is not much better. I ended up buying a cheap kit just for the HARMS. But there is a set from Eduard with two HARMS, not very cheap, but they usually look nice. https://www.eduard.com/Aircraft-and-helicopters/1-48/AGM-88-HARM-1-48.html. Same for the AMRAAMs, there is a kit from Eduard too. https://www.eduard.com/aircraft-and-helicopters/1-48/aim-120c-amraam-(2pcs)-1-48.html Alex 1 Link to post Share on other sites
DaveJL 7,790 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 If anyone has a Tamiya F-16CJ kit and loaded it without them, that kit comes with two lovely AGM-88s. Don't forget you'll also need the HTS (HARM targeting system) for the intake cheek. Link to post Share on other sites
bar side 4,912 Posted January 15 Author Share Posted January 15 Thanks guys I will have a look at Hasegawa set. I was considering the eduard brassin amraam set 2 (2 for about £7 delivered) and the same for 2 Harms (about £10 delivered). The HTS I will have to work on. I have a couple of Harms in my F-4G set but if I borrow them I will just have to replace them anyway. So happy to spend some, just looking for options. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
bar side 4,912 Posted January 15 Author Share Posted January 15 I think the HTS looks fairly easy to scratch build. What is that centre line pod - alq184? 2 Link to post Share on other sites
DaveJL 7,790 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 It's an AN/ALQ-131 pod. I think Eduard do these also. I might have a spare HTS somewhere. I have a Tamiya CJ that I'll be building later In the year with both Sniper and left side HTS so should have a right side going spare if you're in need. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
bar side 4,912 Posted January 15 Author Share Posted January 15 Cheers @DaveJL I will keep that HTS in mind. I need to have a dig through my parts boxes - I suspect I have a alq pod that might do. All part of the fun of the build. I acquired the decals for my F-4G and they included the F-16 set. Then I acquired 4 F-16s, so now seeing what will work Link to post Share on other sites
exdraken 10,410 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Eduard brassin ones are surely too! For Harm there is also cmk: https://www.cmkkits.com/en/detail-sets-accessories/agm-88-harm-air-to-surface-missile-nato-us-lau-118-launcher-adaptors-2-pcs-1-48/ AMRAAM missiles also come in Hasegawa's weapon set E or MENG missile set. Kinetic also has one. Italeri and Revell Superhornets also come with HARMs, ( and Amraams) Link to post Share on other sites
Blimpyboy 775 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 (edited) AIM-9X (they do look sleeker than the older models)? Combinations of LGBs/JDAMs and ACMI pod (admittedly, the second jet isn't a Spangdahlem bird). And perhaps some of everybody's favourite weapons, cluster bombs (if this is still an F-16CJ SEAD/DEAD thing) https://nara.getarchive.net/media/a-us-air-force-usaf-f-16c-fighting-falcon-aircraft-assigned-to-the-52nd-fighter-63e497 and https://nara.getarchive.net/media/two-us-air-force-usaf-f-16c-fighting-falcon-aircraft-assigned-to-the-52nd-fighter-4ab92f Edited January 16 by Blimpyboy 1 Link to post Share on other sites
exdraken 10,410 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Which era do you want your F-16 depected in? That would govern the load out... 90s, 2000s, 2010s? Link to post Share on other sites
bar side 4,912 Posted January 16 Author Share Posted January 16 I would say 90s early time, although I need to check the date on the decals Link to post Share on other sites
bar side 4,912 Posted January 16 Author Share Posted January 16 Checked the decals and they actually say 88, so very early. I checked out the ERTL F-4G weapons sprue & this is what you get I am trying to figure out of that pod on the left is a HTS pod. They don’t seem to be carried outboard on the F-4Gs. And the Phantoms seemed to split the load, so possibly one Harm on the Phantom & one on the Viper, then figure out what else to carry. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Hook 1,333 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 (edited) 1 hour ago, bar side said: Checked the decals and they actually say 88, so very early. 86-227 was a Block 30C. So, she will have the F110 engine, but still with the small mouth file the F100 versions (the Big Mouth wide intake wouldn't have been fitted until Block 30D, beginning with 86-262. Furthermore, being a Block 30, she would not have been compatible with the HTS and HARM, instead employing the older AGM-45 Shrike. See: https://nara.getarchive.net/media/an-air-to-air-right-side-view-of-an-f-16c-fighting-falcon-aircraft-foreground-bd61f0?zoom=true Spang Block 30 F-16's were replaced by Block 50D's, which did feature the HARM, HTS and HARM Avionics / Launcher Interface Computer (ALIC). HTH, Andre EDIT: here she is in SP dress: https://www.airliners.net/photo/USA-Air-Force/General-Dynamics-F-16C-Fighting-Falcon-401/1330367/L?qsp=eJwtjcEKwjAQRP9lzwpaoUpv9Qf04A8sm6EGYhM2K1hK/901eBvePGZWkjwbPvZYCmigClZ50o4KK78qDSspplhN2WKeR7E3J/cu/f7QdWcXa1a7Lo4CG0YRFEP485sG6K9ClbY5%2BcfRA/TeMp165yHWkrhtwDgm2rYvUJ8x/g%3D%3D Edited January 16 by Hook airliners.net link added Link to post Share on other sites
mungo1974 415 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 The pod parts shown on the F-4G sprue are for the chin and tail fin on the Wild Weasel. The decals depict a small mouth Blk30 jet the first Blk50 arrived in late 1991. From 1987-1992 the F-4G/F-16C would work in hunter killer teams typically the Viper carrying AGM-45 Shrike,AGM-65 Mavericks, dumb bombs or CBU-87/89 1 Link to post Share on other sites
bar side 4,912 Posted January 16 Author Share Posted January 16 10 minutes ago, mungo1974 said: The pod parts shown on the F-4G sprue are for the chin and tail fin on the Wild Weasel. The decals depict a small mouth Blk30 jet the first Blk50 arrived in late 1991. From 1987-1992 the F-4G/F-16C would work in hunter killer teams typically the Viper carrying AGM-45 Shrike,AGM-65 Mavericks, dumb bombs or CBU-87/89 Thanks @mungo1974 that makes things easier - no HTS& I have spare Mavericks Link to post Share on other sites
bar side 4,912 Posted January 16 Author Share Posted January 16 25 minutes ago, Hook said: 86-227 was a Block 30C. So, she will have the F110 engine, but still with the small mouth file the F100 versions (the Big Mouth wide intake wouldn't have been fitted until Block 30D, beginning with 86-262. Furthermore, being a Block 30, she would not have been compatible with the HTS and HARM, instead employing the older AGM-45 Shrike. See: https://nara.getarchive.net/media/an-air-to-air-right-side-view-of-an-f-16c-fighting-falcon-aircraft-foreground-bd61f0?zoom=true Spang Block 30 F-16's were replaced by Block 50D's, which did feature the HARM, HTS and HARM Avionics / Launcher Interface Computer (ALIC). HTH, Andre EDIT: here she is in SP dress: https://www.airliners.net/photo/USA-Air-Force/General-Dynamics-F-16C-Fighting-Falcon-401/1330367/L?qsp=eJwtjcEKwjAQRP9lzwpaoUpv9Qf04A8sm6EGYhM2K1hK/901eBvePGZWkjwbPvZYCmigClZ50o4KK78qDSspplhN2WKeR7E3J/cu/f7QdWcXa1a7Lo4CG0YRFEP485sG6K9ClbY5%2BcfRA/TeMp165yHWkrhtwDgm2rYvUJ8x/g%3D%3D Thanks @Hook that is most useful. I hadn’t appreciated there was an interim phase of block 30s before the 50/52 Weasels. Got some reading to do. Link to post Share on other sites
Blimpyboy 775 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 (edited) A sister ship from the same time - with Maverick and AGM-45 body: And a shark-mouthed bird, complete with Shrike (okay, so it's a painting...): Edited January 17 by Blimpyboy 2 Link to post Share on other sites
bar side 4,912 Posted January 17 Author Share Posted January 17 Thanks @Blimpyboy I have trawled through some pictures. 227 seems pretty elusive at the time but I did find this shot of what looks like the boss bird 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Creepy Pete 2,886 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 I'm sorry, but the Block 30's not being capable of using the HARM is not true. They might have not been using the HTS pod, but they could and did carry the HARM. And -227 at Incirlik during the Gulf War 5 Link to post Share on other sites
bar side 4,912 Posted January 17 Author Share Posted January 17 Love that second shot @Creepy Pete just what I was looking for. My plan is for a Spangdahlem Euro One F-4G and F-16, so good to see them together. Most shots have the F-4G in Hill scheme. I might still go Shrikes on the F-16 though Link to post Share on other sites
Hook 1,333 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 1 hour ago, Creepy Pete said: I'm sorry, but the Block 30's not being capable of using the HARM is not true. Thanks - I stand corrected! Cheers, Andre Link to post Share on other sites
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