Slater Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Does this mean that Australia has given up on Tiger entirely? https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/australia-selects-ah-64e-apache-guardian-to-replace-tiger-armed-reconnaissance-helicopters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supertom Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 (edited) I talked to a guy who covered the Aussie purchase of the Tiger as a defense analyst and he said that Tiger never really worked out. I understand the majority of the bugs have been ironed out as of October of last year, but perhaps it was too late and the MoD had lost its patience with the platform. Edited January 15, 2021 by Supertom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick4350 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 That'll be interesting as they'll be based at Oakey Army Aviation Centre some 30km west of where I live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Monday Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 The Tiger entered service in 2004 and is now only delivering the performance and rates of availability that were promised? Something seriously wrong there. The NH90 isn't much better apparently. BM. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorth Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 My understanding of the Australian Tiger problem was that the Tiger is designed to be part of a larger integrated system and doesn't really work so well when the other elements aren't there. Rather similar to Sweden and the various iterations of their STRIL defensive network. Those who purchased the Saab Draken needed to buy it with the STRIL specific gear stripped out and replaced with something else to compensate in order to be effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slater Posted January 17, 2021 Author Share Posted January 17, 2021 Presumably, Australian aircrew have done exchange duty in US or other nation's Apaches? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMK Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 On 1/16/2021 at 6:06 AM, Supertom said: “...the MoD had lost its patience with the platform.” *Department of Defence, since 1942 Cost per flight hour & low available rate of effort are significant factors. The only aircraft more costly per hour to operate in ADF service is the F-35. Chinook is 1/4-1/3 $ per hour. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglierating Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, GMK said: *Department of Defence, since 1942 Cost per flight hour & low available rate of effort are significant factors. The only aircraft more costly per hour to operate in ADF service is the F-35. Chinook is 1/4-1/3 $ per hour. Seems suspiciously cheap what is that taking in to acount certainly not the cost of maintenance manhours? I know that we are talking 1000s of pounds/dollar per hour....I remember from around 2014 prior to take on of Merlin by CHF that out of the JHC fleets Chinook was miles more expensive than Puma Lynx Sea king and Merlin so 25 aus cents per hour ....think you might have got a decimal point missing 😀 Edited January 21, 2021 by junglierating 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMK Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 6 hours ago, junglierating said: Seems suspiciously cheap what is that taking in to acount certainly not the cost of maintenance manhours? I know that we are talking 1000s of pounds/dollar per hour....I remember from around 2014 prior to take on of Merlin by CHF that out of the JHC fleets Chinook was miles more expensive than Puma Lynx Sea king and Merlin so 25 aus cents per hour ....think you might have got a decimal point missing 😀 That’ll teach me to use shorthand & avoid specific dollar figures! Chinook is a quarter to a third of the cost of the Tiger to operate per flight hour. From most expensive to least is Tiger, MRH90, the. CH-47F. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slater Posted January 22, 2021 Author Share Posted January 22, 2021 I recall the German Tiger crash in Mali a few years ago. Seems like an unfortunate set of circumstances: https://www.dw.com/en/mechanics-error-blamed-for-2017-german-helicopter-crash-in-mali/a-46694354 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 They are operating it for 20 years until the substitute arrives. That is quite long for something not working! Probably requirements also changed in the meantime! Armed recce helicopter vs. a (the!) all out attack helicopter! Also the US army replace their scout- Kiowas with the Apache! Wonder how satisfied France is with theirs?! They are/were using them continuously in Afghanistan, Mali, Libya... By the way, the British Apache also needed replacement after 20 years....! ( they call it upgrade though... ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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