Wez Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 18 minutes ago, Max Headroom said: Lebanese.....👍🏻 The Armycast decals include a rather attractive Lebanese scheme, they claim it's a T-6G but Googling it shows it to be a Harvard. See here and here It's got the short exhaust (but that's an easily replaced part anyway), and the short canopy fairing but has the earlier canopy (with extra frames), what mark of Harvard would this be? This could be my 2nd subject Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 It's a Mk.IIA or III basically a T-6D but I don't understand what you mean by the early canopy (with extra frames). All the wartime version canopies were the same, apart from the rear section. I must admit being a bit unsure how the RAF kept that many Lend-Lease Harvards after the war, as they were supposed to have been returned and the ones the RAF kept were almost entirely Canadian-built Mk.IIBs. maybe they were a batch in an MU that was forgotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Graham Boak said: I don't understand what you mean by the early canopy (with extra frames). Quite simply, early canopy = the extra frames in the sliding and centre portions, later canopy = T-6G canopy with fewer frames. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 @Wez certainly very ‘busy’ looking planes! However what I was remembering was a photo and side view in an old SAM where the machine had a RAF serial. @Graham Boak We also kept Dakotas post war too and loads of Packard built Merlins for Spitfire 16’s. I can only imagine they were bought or gifted and ownership transferred. Trevor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
85sqn Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 On 3/24/2021 at 8:52 AM, 85sqn said: It's a can of worms but basically North American produced the AT-6 variants. If these were exported to Commonwealth service they became known as a Harvard with the following variants: Harvard MkII, Harvard MkIIa and Harvard MkIII. There is not really much difference between these and AT-6 A, C and D. They are 'Texans' and so have short exhaust, the shorter rear canopy with one less frame than the Canadian built aircraft and are usually fitted with undercarriage doors. The III has a 24V electrical system and the IIa had wooden fuselage panelling. Later in life these were upgraded to aluminium as per the II and III. The Noorduym built Harvard is the MkIIb. It has a long exhaust with heater pipe that taps into the cockpit, no gear doors, longer canopy with extra frame. If used by the US it went by the designation AT-16. The IIb is what the RAF mostly used. Internal colours differ. With US built a/c in the US Interior green and Canadian built in the Green/Grey of most RAF aircraft of the period. Other differences will involve instrument panels and control columns. There's more differences like armament but that covers most. There is one thing I'd like to add I recently gleaned. Some of the early MkII's actually had the long exhaust. It is exactly the same part number as that used on the MkIIb and post-war MK4. Verbatim from the oracle Shane Clayton - The long exhaust came out on the NA-66 (first Mk II's) and was used on the NA-75's, NA-76's (including AJ841 now Wacky Wabbit) NA-81's and all the Noorduyn-built Mk IIB's and AT-16's. It continued on to the postwar Mk 4. Same part numbers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 11 hours ago, Graham Boak said: I must admit being a bit unsure how the RAF kept that many Lend-Lease Harvards after the war, as they were supposed to have been returned and the ones the RAF kept were almost entirely Canadian-built Mk.IIBs. maybe they were a batch in an MU that was forgotten. Maybe it was creative accounting, tell the US that all the lease lend ones you wanted to keep were written off in accidents where they might in fact have been British owned ones. Just a thought, I'm sure fine upstanding British bureaucrats would never have sunk so low. Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 10 hours ago, Wez said: Quite simply, early canopy = the extra frames in the sliding and centre portions, later canopy = T-6G canopy with fewer frames. It was described as being an ex-RAF aircraft. The RAF didn't have any T-6Gs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEXANTOMCAT Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 Absolutely right the RAF didnt have any -G's which were remanufactured from the late 1940s/50s and issued outside the US under MDAP, then you have the Harvard IV from CCF.... The wartime machines had a bracer on the side of the sliding and fixed canopies - on the sliding canopy sides these bracers had a T handle which you could yank and the central 'bar' withdrew two spring loaded spigots releasing the bar and allowing the glass to be pushed out either side to escape. Note the bottom of these bracers swells out at the bottom (they are not straight lines) to accomodate the handle. The top did not have an escape handle. I have seen several which had a one of the two piece side panels removable for photography etc without pulling the T handle. IIRC Boscombe fitted them. The -G and the IV had single glazed side panels and could have two-pane or single pane tops. In warbird circles they are all mixed and matched but of course many people prefer the single glazed panels as it improves visibility no-end though it spoils the 'wartime' look. Then you have the different Harvard multi pane 'long turtle deck' mentioned above the T-6 short turtle deck- fixed - which was also on some Harvards, then the short swivel rear canopy end bit which wasnt fixed and per above could be swung over the head and pushed forward for gunnery - mainly for T-6s. As they could all be chopped and changed...check your references! Lastly you have the awful single perspex glazed end canopy used on the -J and others. Bloody awful. The Harvard/T-6/SNJ family is a minefield - many parts are interchangeable, many are not and some have been made to fit! TT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted March 28, 2021 Author Share Posted March 28, 2021 (edited) Additional clear sprue pics from Special Hobby - ref. SH72447 - North American Harvard Mk.II/IIA/IIB "The British Commonwealth Air Training Plan" Source: https://www.specialhobby.net/2021/03/sh72447-harvard-mkiiiiaiib-british.html V.P. Edited March 28, 2021 by Homebee 13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightersweep Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Clear sprues look very nice! I'm getting excited now! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Lovely! And by the looks of it (no windscreen) the full T-6 clear sprues wil be in the box as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 I have a couple on order Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightersweep Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, RidgeRunner said: I have a couple on order Only a couple?? 😎 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted April 10, 2021 Author Share Posted April 10, 2021 (edited) Schemes - ref. SH72447 - North American Harvard Mk.II/IIA/IIB "The British Commonwealth Air Training Plan" https://www.specialhobby.net/2021/04/sh72447-harvard-mkiiiiaiib-nahled.html V.P. Edited April 10, 2021 by Homebee 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted April 10, 2021 Author Share Posted April 10, 2021 Release in April 2021 - ref. SH72447 - North American Harvard Mk.II/IIA/IIB "The British Commonwealth Air Training Plan" https://www.specialhobby.eu/nase-produkce/harvard-mk-ii-iia-iib-the-british-commonwealth-air-training-plan.html V.P. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted April 19, 2021 Author Share Posted April 19, 2021 Released - ref. SH72447 - North American Harvard Mk.II/IIA/IIB "The British Commonwealth Air Training Plan" Source: https://www.specialhobby.eu/en/our-own-production/harvard-mk-ii-iia-iib-the-british-commonwealth-air-training-plan.html V.P. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_W Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 On 26/03/2021 at 08:11, stevehnz said: Maybe it was creative accounting, tell the US that all the lease lend ones you wanted to keep were written off in accidents where they might in fact have been British owned ones. Just a thought, I'm sure fine upstanding British bureaucrats would never have sunk so low. Steve. Slightly off topic, but one of my Father's first jobs when he joined the RAF in 1945 was taking a sledgehammer to a hanger full of Lend Lease Harley Davidsons. Couldn't be sold on, and too expensive to ship back to the US. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanC Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 40 minutes ago, John_W said: Slightly off topic, but one of my Father's first jobs when he joined the RAF in 1945 was taking a sledgehammer to a hanger full of Lend Lease Harley Davidsons. Couldn't be sold on, and too expensive to ship back to the US. The horror! 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Leader Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 This looks like a nice box of bits and hard to believe it’s taken this long to get a Harvard IIb OOB (to a degree). I’ve never been overly happy with the way Academy moulded the wheel wells, however this will remain the best 1/72 option unless someone else comes around with a better one. Cheers.. Dave 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted May 10, 2021 Author Share Posted May 10, 2021 New Avalon production decals (https://www.avalondecals.com/) - ref. 7032 - Harvard Mk.II Source: https://www.facebook.com/avalondecals/posts/5523148454423591 V.P. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
85sqn Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Some lovely options there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptarmigan Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Still no FAA decals 🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Some of those schemes have all been done before either as a kit option or aftermarket decals. But still interesting options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
85sqn Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 11 hours ago, ptarmigan said: Still no FAA decals 🙄 Second from the bottom on the right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
politicni komisar Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 I will finally be able to do our PARTISAN properly. Samo 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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