Enzo the Magnificent Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Post your reference information here. Please note if posting artwork or photos you must either be the copyright holder or have the copyright holder's permission to post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_W Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 This is one of the best "Ball" videos I've seen. Great if you're doing an Aussie Hornet and some lovely Australian landscape. Hope you enjoy and possibly find it useful. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_sB_5_0gTk Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSModeller Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Hi All, Since we have we have a number of RNZAF Builds in this GB I thought some information on the RNZAF Roundel might be appropriate. In WWII the Roundels on most Lend lease aircraft were simply painted over the US Star, which some times they wore for a period of time with RNZAF Serials/Numbers 25 Squadron SBD-3 - Probably Seagrove South of Auckland (RNZAF Official - RNZAF Museum - Use with Permissions) Sometimes when the BALM paint faded, the US Star showed through - these, time permitting were touched up (which is why most Roundels appear fresher than the aircraft paint around it). Corsair (RNZAF Official - RNZAF Museum - Used With Permissions) There were times when the RNZAF Roundel was off set to the US Star/bar as on this Catalina (RNZAF Official - RNZAF Museum - Used With Permissions) There were time when the Fuselage Roundel simply had bars added to the Roundel. and the Red replaced with RNZAF Pacific Blue such as the Avenger and Sunderland Mk III Transport Avenger (RNZAF Official - RNZAF Museum - Used With Permissions) Note the difference in US Insignia Blue and RNZAF Pacific Roundel Blue on NZ2547 (RNZAF Official - RNZAF Museum - Used With Permissions) Post WWII and modern RNZAF This link from the RNZAF Museum on the History of the RNZAF Roundel, especially the "Kiwi" Roundel would be of Interest RNZAF Roundel As an FYI Please note that the Fern stem is always in the "3rd Quarter" of the Roundel. and the Kiwi (like the Aussie Kangaroo) is facing forward and feet down or toward the fuselage. - Reason I raise this , is that I have seen few build on the net/magazines where the modeller has not placed them correctly - I find that disrespectful - sorry - I find that there are a number of Modellers, who think that because they build a few RNZAF models they are suddenly become SME (Subject Matter Experts), or that because the Kit Instructions say a certain thing it is so (or Not). Any questions fire away Regards Alan 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) Hello Alan @LDSModeller thank you for posting this as it will help some of us with lesser knowledge. We had discussed the P-40E’s in the Pacific scheme and Im trying to nail the roundels down for the build. (RNZAF Official - RNZAF Museum - Used With Permissions) Particularly HQ*Q the Roundels are standard RAF Sizing ? And I think the colors are blue center ring, white ring, blue ring with a very thin yellow outer ring. The fin flashes are they also a standard red white blue or are they different ? Dennis Edited January 31, 2021 by Corsairfoxfouruncle 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSModeller Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, Corsairfoxfouruncle said: Particularly HQ*Q the Roundels are standard RAF Sizing ? And I think the colors are blue center ring, white ring, blue ring with a very thin yellow outer ring. The fin flashes are they also a standard red white blue or are they different ? Hi Dennis, The Roundels on the 3 14 (F) Squadron above, are 48 inch for wings and 36 inch for fuselage. These would have been agreed upon by the British Purchasing Committee (MAP Min Aircraft Prod) when working out the lend Lease details (all RNZAF P40E-1's are British Lend Lease orders) The RNZAF Pacific Roundel will have been painted in same dimensions on the above HQ-Q (Caveat to this is painting over US Star which was larger, therefore RNZAF Roundel increased accordingly) The 36 Inch Fuselage Roundel is either Insignia Yellow.Insignia Blue/Insignia White/Insignia Red, or New Zealand BALM colours, but Yellow/Blue/White/Red - This remained constant through out the war for aircraft based in New Zealand (Including return aircraft from the front line areas). Fin Flashes are standard too and either US Insignia Colours or NZ BALM colours. Codes are Sky Hope that helps? Regards Alan 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidrian Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 The IIIF is waiting for some transfers for the instruments, so I thought I would try and knock out a quick near OOB Tamiya Corsair in the meantime; I'll deal with this build in a separate post in the proper place. However, looking for a few more Corsair details led down a rabbit warren of always slightly conflicting information which took a little bit of time to sort out . Hopefully, these notes might save someone else from having to trawl through a lot of posts and books to dig out the same information. There nothing here that is new or startling - it’s just a case of trying to put it all in one place. A listing of NZ serials and BuNos can be found at http://www.adf-serials.com.au/nz-serials/nzcorsair.htm along with the history of each NZ Corsair This doesn’t pretend to be complete comprehensive or 100% accurate; I’ll update and revise where there is good evidence that revision is needed. I often work on the principle that the best way to unearth really good information is to post something that someone else thinks is wrong, and be ready to be shot down in flames. Where I have added my own interpretations, I will try and make this clear. Except for the Goodyear built FG-1Ds which were built to a NZ specific contract, RNZAF Corsairs were taken from US Navy stocks and were initially no different to the Navy aircraft, though the arrestor hooks were removed. Harnesses, radios and so on were standard US Navy fittings. That said, with the legendary ability of the RNZAF Servicing Units to salvage, acquire and repurpose almost anything that was not firmly concreted in place, there are doubtless some unofficial variations that were not recorded. Flaps It’s unusual to see a picture of a parked NZ Corsair with the flaps down unless it is being worked on. That does not mean it didn’t happen, however the pilots’ manual says the flaps should be raised immediately after landing to minimise the risk of damage. The few photos I have seen that do show lowered flaps all seem to be stored machines. F4U – 1A. We do need to be a little bit careful here – as far as I know “-1A” was never a formal US Navy designation, even a retroactive one; machines with the raised seat and revised canopy do not seem to have been referred to “-1A" other than unofficially. I’ll keep using it as it is useful shorthand in the same way that “A-type roundels”, “B-type roundels” and so on were never official. Don’t be alarmed if you can’t find a spare parts manual for that low hours barn-find F4U- 1A you have in your garage as what you need will be under plain old “-1”. Nearly a quarter of RNZAF Corsairs retained the clear window below the cockpit - this has long been a feature associated with early “birdcage” dash 1s but was also on the -1A through to BuNo 50066 (this info comes via a Dana Bell posting), which means that the following NZ machines should all have had the belly window when delivered. Serial BuNo. Serial BuNo. Serial BuNo. Serial BuNo. NZ5212 49752 NZ5282 50023 NZ5318 49859 NZ5349 50065 NZ5213 49732 NZ5287 49672 NZ5319 49964 NZ5350 49960 NZ5214 49754 NZ5288 49744 NZ5320 49846 NZ5351 49954 NZ5218 49748 NZ5289 49745 NZ5323 49996 NZ5352 49966 NZ5247 49747 NZ5290 49768 NZ5324 50053 NZ5353 49967 NZ5250 49730 NZ5291 49788 NZ5325 49961 NZ5354 49749 NZ5252 49756 NZ5294 49759 NZ5326 49863 NZ5487 50044 NZ5253 49737 NZ5298 49968 NZ5327 49781 NZ5501 49746 NZ5258 49750 NZ5299 49962 NZ5328 49921 NZ5502 49984 NZ5259 49877 NZ5300 49861 NZ5331 49892 NZ5503 50000 NZ5260 49761 NZ5301 49808 NZ5332 49830 NZ5504 50051 NZ5261 49771 NZ5302 49887 NZ5333 49937 NZ5505 50060 NZ5262 49714 NZ5303 49764 NZ5334 49874 NZ5506 50066 NZ5263 49722 NZ5304 49773 NZ5335 49878 NZ5523 50064 NZ5264 49728 NZ5305 49848 NZ5336 49871 NZ5524 49769 NZ5265 49740 NZ5306 49873 NZ5337 49760 NZ5525 49875 NZ5266 49751 NZ5307 49867 NZ5338 49885 NZ5526 49945 NZ5267 49843 NZ5309 49876 NZ5339 49944 NZ5527 49956 NZ5274 49738 NZ5310 49855 NZ5340 49868 NZ5528 49963 NZ5275 49843 NZ5311 49772 NZ5341 49947 NZ5529 49970 NZ5276 49856 NZ5312 49869 NZ5342 49865 NZ5530 49971 NZ5277 49866 NZ5313 49853 NZ5343 49872 NZ5531 49979 NZ5278 49969 NZ5314 49959 NZ5344 49957 NZ5532 50028 NZ5279 49977 NZ5315 49909 NZ5345 49958 NZ5533 50040 NZ5280 49980 NZ5316 49990 NZ5346 49976 NZ5534 50054 NZ5281 49999 NZ5317 49852 NZ5348 49965 F4U-1D The first thing I had hoped to sort out when I fell into the rabbit hole was what point during-1D production the later propeller came into use. In his first D&S volume on the Corsair Bert Kinzey states the change happened at BuNo 57356, meaning that only the following NZ F4U-1D Corsairs had the later propeller when delivered. (I have seen some remarks about this book having some inaccuracies, but like many internet postings it is not terribly helpful, as there is no supporting info to tell us exactly what is considered wrong. ) Serial BuNo. Serial BuNo. NZ5452 57462 NZ5475 57430 NZ5453 57500 NZ5476 57443 NZ5454 57478 NZ5477 57469 NZ5455 57454 NZ5478 57452 NZ5456 57472 NZ5479 57539 NZ5457 57463 NZ5480 57549 NZ5458 57447 NZ5481 57457 NZ5470 57428 NZ5482 57459 NZ5471 57493 NZ5484 57479 NZ5472 57467 NZ5485 57473 NZ5473 57446 NZ5486 57470 NZ5474 57445 That list does not mean that some enterprising Engineering Officer didn’t find a way to refit some older machines. Later RNZAF deliveries were built as- 1Ds, with fuel piping to both pylons but still had the canopy with the two bars along the top – these machines were painted GSB overall. None of the RNZAF’s Vought-built machines got the bubble canopy (the type without the longitudinal frames at the top). So far, the document that give the engineering details for this change hasn’t emerged from the archives (DB). However, in the Detail and Scale publication Corsairs, Bert Kinzey states BuNo 57583 was the point at which production changed to the bubble canopy and no Vought-built NZ Corsair had a number this high. Early -1Ds - The first 300 machines that had the pylons under the wing roots were initially classified as plain old -1 Corsairs; these had only one of the pylons piped for additional fuel, the other was dry. These were later retroactively designated as -1D by the US Navy (via Dana Bell). I haven’t yet found out whether the RNZAF added the fuel system plumbing to the second pylon on some or all of their machines – the US Navy certainly did. In the past one of our NZ-based correspondents had suggested that some early NZ F4U-1Ds did not have the pylons but I can’t (so far) find anything to corroborate this; one of the defining characteristics of the -1D model was the fitting of pylons, so perhaps he has been given a bum steer between having fuel systems on both sides and the fitting of pylons? These early deliveries of the pylon fitted models that were redesignated as -1D came painted in the three-tone scheme; Dana Bell has suggested that a good number of these 300 machines ended up in NZ hands. So far, I have been able to identify the following using the range of BuNos he gives, 50360 to 50659. Serial BuNo. Serial BuNo. Serial BuNo. NZ5397 50455 NZ5459 50414 NZ5555 50533 NZ5399 50638 NZ5460 50381 NZ5556 50541 NZ5400 50647 NZ5464 50439 NZ5557 50548 NZ5402 50568 NZ5466 50404 NZ5558 50553 NZ5405 50566 NZ5467 50422 NZ5559 50556 NZ5406 50659 NZ5468 50411 NZ5560 50557 NZ5408 50550 NZ5483 50549 NZ5561 50558 NZ5409 50565 NZ5537 50424 NZ5562 50562 NZ5410 50561 NZ5538 50425 NZ5563 50564 NZ5411 50658 NZ5539 50426 NZ5564 50567 NZ5419 50563 NZ5540 50432 NZ5565 50569 NZ5429 50560 NZ5541 50438 NZ5566 50570 NZ5431 50654 NZ5542 50446 NZ5567 50572 NZ5433 50656 NZ5543 50447 NZ5568 50573 NZ5434 50653 NZ5544 50453 NZ5569 50574 NZ5439 50444 NZ5545 50454 NZ5570 50610 NZ5440 50459 NZ5546 50456 NZ5571 50611 NZ5442 50450 NZ5547 50457 NZ5572 50612 NZ5443 50449 NZ5548 50502 NZ5573 50618 NZ5447 50458 NZ5549 50540 NZ5574 50623 NZ5448 50443 NZ5550 50547 NZ5575 50635 NZ5449 50644 NZ5551 50436 NZ5576 50640 NZ5450 50646 NZ5552 50445 NZ5451 50452 NZ5553 50451 Since these were originally delivered as F4U-1A models it seem likely that as well as being delivered in three tone the internal paint finishes would tend to follow the -1A style rather than the -1D, though it’s probably worth noting that changes to finishes and to engineering specifications don’t necessarily come at the same time. The preserved Corsair in the NASM’s Udvar-Hazy Center is also from this batch, but since it is presently hanging from their ceiling it might be rather hard to look inside for confirmation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSModeller Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 4 hours ago, Aidrian said: FG-1Ds which were built to a NZ specific contract, Built or simply Ordered to a specific Contract under Lend Lease? The FG-1D's to my knowledge were simply USN Stock, as they arrived at Los Negros and assembled with US Star/bar (you can see it in this 1945 News Reel) 1945 Weekly News Reel - RNZAF FG-1D's 4 hours ago, Aidrian said: Don’t be alarmed if you can’t find a spare parts manual for that low hours barn-find F4U- 1A you have in your garage as what you need will be under plain old “-1”. The M& E manual the RNZAF museum has, simply states F4U-1 4 hours ago, Aidrian said: RNZAF Servicing Units to salvage, acquire and repurpose almost anything that was not firmly concreted in place, Bear in mind that the RNZAF was attached to the US Navy (CINCPacific) during WWII, so they were also in receipt of "Ordered" Spare parts also through the US Quartermasters channels. This RNZAF F4U-1 (NZ5324) is receiving a new outer wing Section - Note the SU Roundel painter starting to paint the RNZAF Pacific Roundel over the US Star (RNZAF Official - RNZAF Museum - Used with Permissions) 6 hours ago, Aidrian said: I haven’t yet found out whether the RNZAF added the fuel system plumbing to the second pylon on some or all of their machines – the US Navy certainly did. In the past one of our NZ-based correspondents had suggested that some early NZ F4U-1Ds did not have the pylons but I can’t (so far) find anything to corroborate this; one of the defining characteristics of the -1D These posted by Pete Mossong in the Forums This is NZ5410 (-1D) with three fuel tanks about to land Jacquinot Bay, New Britain NZ5410 More RNZAF F4U-1D's after landing at Jacquinot Bay for Green Island - Note the triple Fuel Tanks RNZAF Corsair with Triple tanks Regards Alan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidrian Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 19 hours ago, LDSModeller said: These posted by Pete Mossong in the Forums This is NZ5410 (-1D) with three fuel tanks about to land Jacquinot Bay, New Britain NZ5410 More RNZAF F4U-1D's after landing at Jacquinot Bay for Green Island - Note the triple Fuel Tanks RNZAF Corsair with Triple tanks Thanks Alan - I had seen these before, but wasn't sure if at least one of the wing tanks might have been carrying Napalm. If they are being carried on a ferry flight then they are both likely to be used for fuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Found this while looking for something else. https://fsb.raafansw.org.au/docPDF/the_raaf_mirage_story_opt_1.pdf Seems to be a very good source book for RAAF Mirage jets ? Dennis 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyot Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 (edited) Here is a query,..... re the RNZAF Vickers Vincents and Vildebeest,..... when they looked like this,.... what was the colour scheme please? Was it Dark Earth and Dark Green (or RNZAF equivalant) with shadow shaded lower wings and was it Sky, Light Blue or something else on the underside? I ask,.... because when I see these... and the Kittyhawk`s and Hawker Hinds,..... my heart wants them to be RNZAF Pacific Blue and Dk. Green,.... but my mind says NO! Or the earlier scheme,... which looks to be the 4 colour biplane scheme with shadow shading on the side of the fuselage and lower wings; Obviously the one being restored looks like this and I`m sure they know their onions,... but I just thought I would ask in the remote chance that Pacific Blue was applied at some stage? The Hind too,.... another lovely aeroplane! As an aside,.... I came across this superb photo years ago and thought it might be of interest; Cheers Tony Edited February 5, 2021 by tonyot 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSModeller Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 13 hours ago, tonyot said: with shadow shaded lower wings I doubt it - photographic evidence would suggest otherwise 13 hours ago, tonyot said: RNZAF Pacific Blue and Dk. Green,.... but my mind says NO Based on what evidence? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyot Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 (edited) edited Edited February 6, 2021 by tonyot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyot Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 (edited) Edited Edited February 6, 2021 by tonyot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyot Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, LDSModeller said: Based on what evidence? 4 hours ago, LDSModeller said: I doubt it - photographic evidence would suggest otherwise Based on what evidence? Re Pacific Grey/ Dk Green,... where you say; "Based on what evidence?",...... ......................I didn`t say I had any,.... I did say `my heart',........ but it doesn`t matter mate! Re shadow shading,... where you say,... "I doubt it - photographic evidence would suggest otherwise. Based on what evidence?" ,....The earlier pics show what looks like it COULD be a shadow shaded scheme on the side,....... and my post was a QUERY! ......Again,.... it doesn`t matter! Crikey!! Edited February 6, 2021 by tonyot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSModeller Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 Re Vildebeest's/Vincent's From the RNZAF Museum Historian/Expert (paraphrased) The Videbeest's arrived mid to late 1940 in various colours (Which one could assume possible countershading scheme - Italics added) This would not have lasted long, as mid 1941 the RNZAF repainted all Videbeest's/Vincent's in Dark Earth/Dark Green/Sky. The Sky extending down the sides. Early(ish) 1942 the Dark Green/dark Brown were extended down the whole sides of the aircraft - NO Counter shading Vincents appear to have arrived in Aluminum Dope/Anodised Metal (giving a Glossy light grey sheen (from observers)) Later had camouflage applied as per Vildebeest's above. Sea Blue Grey Section 33B Reference N118 colour (Blue Sea Grey) was used to cover the Dark Earth colour on aircraft during 1943, No evidence sighted it did happen to Vildebeest's/Vincents (nothing to say it didn't either) RNZAF Museum Expert Quote "The precious remains of a Vincent/Vilde at the RNZAF Museum includes a good selection of metal fuselage panels shows the anodised light grey, plus dark earth/dark green camouflage, as well as a final coat of training yellow (drogue towing scheme), but no 33B/N118 Blue Sea Grey!" 8 hours ago, tonyot said: .Again,.... it doesn`t matter! Actually it does matter - It's called showing respect for the Armed Forces of my Country and the what they have done in times of War/Peace, and stopping the proliferation of misinformation/assumption, by pretend/wannabee know it all's I guarantee if I were to spout of some "Assumed" thing about an RAF (or any country for that matter) Aircraft etc I'd soon hear about it - fairs, fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark.au Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 It reads to me like @tonyot was asking questions or speculating rather than making statements of fact. I also think it's a little presumptuous on your part to imply a lack of respect, it's discussion and at times simple mistake. I rather think this rigid approach of yours is something that must be rooted in something we don't know that would give it context because honestly mate, it comes off otherwise as a bit pedantic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSModeller Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 15 minutes ago, mark.au said: I rather think this rigid approach of yours is something that must be rooted in something we don't know that would give it context because honestly mate, it comes off otherwise as a bit pedantic Which is why I'm withdrawing from the GB as obviously, people think I'm being pedantic. Yes, there is context, but I'll leave it there 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSModeller Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 (edited) Hi All, Before I leave and do other things I thought I'd leave you with a few odds and sods on RNZAF Aircraft. In 1943 NZ3510 - C60 Lodestar, was refurbished as a VIP Transport, with amenities for up to Vice Regal Duties The Aircraft plied the South West Pacific ferrying Members of Parliament/Government Officials, and Senior Defense Officers. On September 2n 1945 it became the first Commonwealth Aircraft to land in Japan Special Hobby do a kit in it's Overall Natural metal Finish, but prior to that it was actually wearing Paint At RNZAF Hobsonville - Auckland (RNZAF Official - RNZAF Museum - Used with permissions) Carrying the Then Governor General, Sir Cyril Newal (probably Espiritu Santo) (RNZAF Official - RNZAF Museum - Used with permissions) The more well known rendition (RNZAF Official - RNZAF Museum - Used with permissions) During WWII the RNZAF also flew "Impressed Aircraft" taken over from Civilian people - below just a couple of a number of types Puss Moth at Waipapakauri - formerly ZK-ABG (RNZAF Official - RNZAF Museum - Used with permissions) DH D.86 Express - this one at Wigram (to become NZ553) - incidentally the seating from one of these was used in the C60 VIP above (RNZAF Official - RNZAF Museum - Used with permissions) Flying Boats/Seaplanes SARO Cutty sark - Hobsonville (circa 1935) - Uniformed Officer shaking hands with Gent in flying attire is LM Isitt (RNZAF Official - RNZAF Museum - Used with permissions) Auster NZ1705 taking off from RNZAF Station Hobsonville (RNZAF Official - RNZAF Museum - Used with permissions) Edit - Forgot this really important one - New Zealand Flying School - Kohimarama Auckland Used to train Pilots during WWI for the RFC/RNAS - the hangars are made up of Packing Cases from Cadillac Automobiles Run by the Walsh Brothers Curtiss Flying Boat (Photos - RNZAF Official - RNZAF Museum - Used with permissions) Here's link to a YouTube Video (I have this also in my collection) has some good stuff on the Walsh Brothers New Zealand Flying Boats RNZAF Territorial Air Force - (Weekend Warriors) NA Mustang NZ2417 - Ohakea (RNZAF Official - RNZAF Museum - Used with permissions) Roundels sans checkerboards (depending on when in service) (RNZAF Official - RNZAF Museum - Used with permissions) DH Mosquito 75 Sqn Mosquito - NZ2328 at Ohakea (RNZAF Official - RNZAF Museum - Used with permissions) 75 Sqn Mosquitos taking of on Exercise Hardtack (who thinks of these names) note Rockets (RNZAF Official - RNZAF Museum - Used with permissions) Other types 40 Sqn, DC6 - at Whenuapai - remember one these pulling up at the RNZAF Whenuapai Air Movements Terminal, with my Dad and other RNZAF Personnel arriving back from NAS Moffat Field in California, having completed training with the USN on the new P3B Orion's (RNZAF Official - RNZAF Museum - Used with permissions) There are other interesting types too, too many to post here Have fun Adios Alan If any of you have any queries just PM me Edited February 7, 2021 by LDSModeller 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyot Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, LDSModeller said: Actually it does matter - It's called showing respect for the Armed Forces of my Country and the what they have done in times of War/Peace, and stopping the proliferation of misinformation/assumption, by pretend/wannabee know it all's I guarantee if I were to spout of some "Assumed" thing about an RAF (or any country for that matter) Aircraft etc I'd soon hear about it - fairs, fair. When I said,..... "it doesn`t matter",..... I meant about asking questions when you get silly pendantic and even childish replies from you,...... it wasn`t directed at the history JUST YOU! And for you to imply that I have no respect for the New Zealand Armed Forces is just plain wrong,...... and if you think I am a `wannabee know it all",.... then you are basically describing yourself the way I see you,.... granted you know your subject,..... but you don`t half like telling people! At least I never profess to know everything or be an expert at anything,.... which is why I ask questions... sometimes laying myself wide open to rivet counting berks.... but hey,.... that is the hobby sometimes. Alan,...I think you maybe take things a bit too seriously and need to get out more? Sorry it has come to this,.... but you have just gone off on one! Edited February 7, 2021 by tonyot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Hello Tony @tonyot and Alan@LDSModeller I understand both sides of the argument. I dont want to be the bad guy and get tough you see. 😉 But if you cant agree to drop this and move on, I may have to get strict here. Alan and Tony I really don't want to see either of you leave, nor should you. You both bring and show great work in these builds, it would be a shame. Maybe if you can avoid talking to each other and just enjoy the spirit of the build for @Silver Fox it would be for the best. Dennis 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuppa_joe Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 This was a painful search, but this will go here for the Sabre... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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