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Hi All,

 

Since we have we have a number of RNZAF Builds in this GB I thought

some information on the RNZAF Roundel might be appropriate.

In WWII the Roundels on most Lend lease aircraft were simply painted over

the US Star,  which some times they wore for a period of time

with RNZAF Serials/Numbers

25 Squadron SBD-3 - Probably Seagrove South of Auckland

PR1764.t5f334879.m800.xz_rHPiUv.jpg

PR1561.t5ee19f1d.m800.x2L5iBhT5.jpg

(RNZAF Official - RNZAF Museum - Use with Permissions)

 

Sometimes when the BALM paint faded, the US Star showed through - these,

time permitting were touched up (which is why most Roundels appear fresher

than the aircraft paint around it).

Corsair

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(RNZAF Official - RNZAF Museum - Used With Permissions)

 

There were times when the RNZAF Roundel was off set to the US Star/bar as on this Catalina

PR2432.t5e9a02c3.m600.x7lw7pIsa.jpg

(RNZAF Official - RNZAF Museum - Used With Permissions)

There were time when the Fuselage Roundel simply had bars added to the Roundel. and the Red

replaced with RNZAF Pacific Blue such as the Avenger and Sunderland Mk III Transport

Avenger

PR1846.t5ebf05ed.m800.xnipirg5z.jpg

(RNZAF Official - RNZAF Museum - Used With Permissions)

Note the difference in US Insignia Blue and RNZAF Pacific Roundel Blue on NZ2547

PR3234.t5ea73d3e.m800.xLpnidhHe.jpg

(RNZAF Official - RNZAF Museum - Used With Permissions)

 

Post WWII and modern RNZAF

 

This  link from the RNZAF Museum on the History of the

RNZAF Roundel, especially the "Kiwi" Roundel would be

of Interest

RNZAF Roundel

 

As an FYI Please note that the Fern stem is always in the "3rd Quarter"

of the Roundel. and  the Kiwi (like the Aussie Kangaroo) is facing forward and feet down or toward the fuselage.

 

- Reason I raise this , is that I have seen  few build on the net/magazines where the modeller has not placed

them correctly - I find that disrespectful - sorry - I find that there are a number of Modellers, who think

that because they build a few RNZAF models they are suddenly become SME (Subject Matter Experts),

or that because the Kit Instructions say a certain thing it is so (or Not).

 

Any questions fire away

 

Regards

 

Alan

 

 

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Hello Alan @LDSModeller thank you for posting this as it will help some of us with lesser knowledge. We had discussed the P-40E’s in the Pacific scheme and Im trying to nail the roundels down for the build. msfdIJ7.jpg
(RNZAF Official - RNZAF Museum - Used With Permissions)

 

Particularly HQ*Q the Roundels are standard RAF Sizing ? And I think the colors are blue center ring, white ring, blue ring with a very thin yellow outer ring. The fin flashes are they also a standard red white blue or are they different ? 

 

Dennis

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4 minutes ago, Corsairfoxfouruncle said:

Particularly HQ*Q the Roundels are standard RAF Sizing ? And I think the colors are blue center ring, white ring, blue ring with a very thin yellow outer ring. The fin flashes are they also a standard red white blue or are they different ? 

Hi Dennis,

 

The Roundels on the 3 14 (F) Squadron above, are 48 inch for wings and 36 inch for fuselage.

These would have been agreed upon by the British Purchasing Committee (MAP Min Aircraft Prod)

when working out the lend Lease details (all RNZAF P40E-1's are British Lend Lease orders)

The RNZAF Pacific Roundel will have been painted in same dimensions on the above HQ-Q

(Caveat to this is painting over US Star which was larger, therefore RNZAF Roundel increased accordingly)

The 36 Inch Fuselage Roundel is either Insignia Yellow.Insignia Blue/Insignia White/Insignia Red,

or New Zealand BALM colours, but Yellow/Blue/White/Red - This remained constant through out

the war for aircraft based in New Zealand (Including return aircraft from the front line areas).

Fin Flashes are standard too and either US Insignia Colours or NZ BALM colours.

Codes are Sky

 

Hope that helps?

 

Regards

 

Alan

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The IIIF is waiting for some transfers for the instruments, so I thought I would try and knock out a quick near OOB Tamiya Corsair in the meantime; I'll deal with this build in a separate post in the proper place.

 

However, looking for a few more Corsair details led down a rabbit warren of always slightly conflicting information which took a little bit of time to sort out . Hopefully, these notes might save someone else from having to trawl through a lot of posts and books to dig out the same information. There nothing here that is new or startling - it’s just a case of trying to put it all in one place.

A listing of NZ serials and BuNos can be found at http://www.adf-serials.com.au/nz-serials/nzcorsair.htm along with the history of each NZ Corsair

 

This doesn’t pretend to be complete comprehensive or 100% accurate; I’ll update and revise where there is good evidence that revision is needed.  I often work on the principle that the best way to unearth really good information is to post something that someone else thinks is wrong, and be ready to be shot down in flames.  Where I have added my own interpretations, I will try and make this clear.

 

Except for the Goodyear built FG-1Ds which were built to a NZ specific contract, RNZAF Corsairs were taken from US Navy stocks and were initially no different to the Navy aircraft, though the arrestor hooks were removed.  Harnesses, radios and so on were standard US Navy fittings. That said, with the legendary ability of the RNZAF Servicing Units to salvage, acquire and repurpose almost anything that was not firmly concreted in place, there are doubtless some unofficial variations that were not recorded.

 

Flaps

It’s unusual to see a picture of a parked NZ Corsair with the flaps down unless it is being worked on.  That does not mean it didn’t happen, however the pilots’ manual says the flaps should be raised immediately after landing to minimise the risk of damage. The few photos I have seen that do show lowered flaps all seem to be stored machines.  

 

F4U – 1A.

We do need to be a little bit careful here – as far as I know “-1A” was never a formal US Navy designation, even a retroactive one; machines with the raised seat and revised canopy do not seem to have been referred to “-1A" other than unofficially. I’ll keep using it as it is useful shorthand in the same way that “A-type roundels”, “B-type roundels” and so on were never official. Don’t be alarmed if you can’t find a spare parts manual for that low hours barn-find F4U- 1A you have in your garage as what you need will be under plain old “-1”.

 

Nearly a quarter of RNZAF Corsairs retained the clear window below the cockpit - this has long been a feature associated with early “birdcage” dash 1s but was also on the -1A through to BuNo 50066 (this info comes via a Dana Bell posting), which means that the following NZ machines should all have had the belly window when delivered.

 

Serial 	BuNo.	Serial 	BuNo.	Serial 	BuNo.	Serial 	BuNo.
NZ5212	49752	NZ5282	50023	NZ5318	49859	NZ5349	50065
NZ5213	49732	NZ5287	49672	NZ5319	49964	NZ5350	49960
NZ5214	49754	NZ5288	49744	NZ5320	49846	NZ5351	49954
NZ5218	49748	NZ5289	49745	NZ5323	49996	NZ5352	49966
NZ5247	49747	NZ5290	49768	NZ5324	50053	NZ5353	49967
NZ5250	49730	NZ5291	49788	NZ5325	49961	NZ5354	49749
NZ5252	49756	NZ5294	49759	NZ5326	49863	NZ5487	50044
NZ5253	49737	NZ5298	49968	NZ5327	49781	NZ5501	49746
NZ5258	49750	NZ5299	49962	NZ5328	49921	NZ5502	49984
NZ5259	49877	NZ5300	49861	NZ5331	49892	NZ5503	50000
NZ5260	49761	NZ5301	49808	NZ5332	49830	NZ5504	50051
NZ5261	49771	NZ5302	49887	NZ5333	49937	NZ5505	50060
NZ5262	49714	NZ5303	49764	NZ5334	49874	NZ5506	50066
NZ5263	49722	NZ5304	49773	NZ5335	49878	NZ5523	50064
NZ5264	49728	NZ5305	49848	NZ5336	49871	NZ5524	49769
NZ5265	49740	NZ5306	49873	NZ5337	49760	NZ5525	49875
NZ5266	49751	NZ5307	49867	NZ5338	49885	NZ5526	49945
NZ5267	49843	NZ5309	49876	NZ5339	49944	NZ5527	49956
NZ5274	49738	NZ5310	49855	NZ5340	49868	NZ5528	49963
NZ5275	49843	NZ5311	49772	NZ5341	49947	NZ5529	49970
NZ5276	49856	NZ5312	49869	NZ5342	49865	NZ5530	49971
NZ5277	49866	NZ5313	49853	NZ5343	49872	NZ5531	49979
NZ5278	49969	NZ5314	49959	NZ5344	49957	NZ5532	50028
NZ5279	49977	NZ5315	49909	NZ5345	49958	NZ5533	50040
NZ5280	49980	NZ5316	49990	NZ5346	49976	NZ5534	50054
NZ5281	49999	NZ5317	49852	NZ5348	49965	 	 

 

F4U-1D

The first thing I had hoped to sort out when I fell into the rabbit hole was what point during-1D production the later propeller came into use.  In his first D&S volume on the Corsair Bert Kinzey states the change happened at BuNo 57356, meaning that only the following NZ F4U-1D Corsairs had the later propeller when delivered. (I have seen some remarks about this book having some inaccuracies, but like many internet postings it is not terribly helpful, as there is no supporting info to tell us exactly what is considered wrong. )

Serial 	BuNo.	Serial 	BuNo.
NZ5452	57462	NZ5475	57430
NZ5453	57500	NZ5476	57443
NZ5454	57478	NZ5477	57469
NZ5455	57454	NZ5478	57452
NZ5456	57472	NZ5479	57539
NZ5457	57463	NZ5480	57549
NZ5458	57447	NZ5481	57457
NZ5470	57428	NZ5482	57459
NZ5471	57493	NZ5484	57479
NZ5472	57467	NZ5485	57473
NZ5473	57446	NZ5486	57470
NZ5474	57445	 	 

That list does not mean that some enterprising Engineering Officer didn’t find a way to refit some older machines.

 

Later RNZAF deliveries were built as- 1Ds, with fuel piping to both pylons but still had the canopy with the two bars along the top – these machines were painted GSB overall. None of the RNZAF’s Vought-built machines got the bubble canopy (the type without the longitudinal frames at the top). So far, the document that give the engineering details for this change hasn’t emerged from the archives (DB). However, in the Detail and Scale publication Corsairs, Bert Kinzey states BuNo 57583 was the point at which production changed to the bubble canopy and no Vought-built NZ Corsair had a number this high.

 

Early -1Ds  - The first 300 machines that had the pylons under the wing roots were initially classified as plain old -1 Corsairs; these had only one of the pylons piped for additional fuel, the other was dry. These were later retroactively designated as -1D by the US Navy (via Dana Bell).  I haven’t yet found out whether the RNZAF added the fuel system plumbing to the second pylon on some or all of their machines – the US Navy certainly did.   In the past one of our NZ-based correspondents had suggested that some early NZ F4U-1Ds did not have the pylons but I can’t (so far) find anything to corroborate this; one of the defining characteristics of the -1D model was the fitting of pylons, so perhaps he has been given a bum steer between having fuel systems on both sides and the fitting of pylons? These early deliveries of the pylon fitted models that were redesignated as -1D came painted in the three-tone scheme; Dana Bell has suggested that a good number of these 300 machines ended up in NZ hands. So far, I have been able to identify the following using the range of BuNos he gives, 50360 to 50659.  

 

Serial	BuNo.	Serial	BuNo.	Serial	BuNo.
NZ5397	50455	NZ5459	50414	NZ5555	50533
NZ5399	50638	NZ5460	50381	NZ5556	50541
NZ5400	50647	NZ5464	50439	NZ5557	50548
NZ5402	50568	NZ5466	50404	NZ5558	50553
NZ5405	50566	NZ5467	50422	NZ5559	50556
NZ5406	50659	NZ5468	50411	NZ5560	50557
NZ5408	50550	NZ5483	50549	NZ5561	50558
NZ5409	50565	NZ5537	50424	NZ5562	50562
NZ5410	50561	NZ5538	50425	NZ5563	50564
NZ5411	50658	NZ5539	50426	NZ5564	50567
NZ5419	50563	NZ5540	50432	NZ5565	50569
NZ5429	50560	NZ5541	50438	NZ5566	50570
NZ5431	50654	NZ5542	50446	NZ5567	50572
NZ5433	50656	NZ5543	50447	NZ5568	50573
NZ5434	50653	NZ5544	50453	NZ5569	50574
NZ5439	50444	NZ5545	50454	NZ5570	50610
NZ5440	50459	NZ5546	50456	NZ5571	50611
NZ5442	50450	NZ5547	50457	NZ5572	50612
NZ5443	50449	NZ5548	50502	NZ5573	50618
NZ5447	50458	NZ5549	50540	NZ5574	50623
NZ5448	50443	NZ5550	50547	NZ5575	50635
NZ5449	50644	NZ5551	50436	NZ5576	50640
NZ5450	50646	NZ5552	50445	 	 
NZ5451	50452	NZ5553	50451	 	 

 Since these were originally delivered as F4U-1A models it seem likely that as well as being delivered in three tone the internal paint finishes would tend to follow the -1A style rather than the -1D, though it’s probably worth noting that changes to finishes and to engineering specifications don’t necessarily come at the same time. The preserved Corsair in the NASM’s Udvar-Hazy Center is also from this batch, but since it is presently hanging from their ceiling it might be rather hard to look inside for confirmation.

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4 hours ago, Aidrian said:

FG-1Ds which were built to a NZ specific contract,

Built or simply Ordered to a specific  Contract under Lend Lease?

The FG-1D's to my knowledge were simply USN Stock, as they  arrived at Los Negros and assembled with

US Star/bar (you can see it in this 1945 News Reel)

1945 Weekly News Reel - RNZAF FG-1D's

 

4 hours ago, Aidrian said:

Don’t be alarmed if you can’t find a spare parts manual for that low hours barn-find F4U- 1A you have in your garage as what you need will be under plain old “-1”.

 

The M& E manual the RNZAF museum has, simply states F4U-1

 

4 hours ago, Aidrian said:

RNZAF Servicing Units to salvage, acquire and repurpose almost anything that was not firmly concreted in place,

 

Bear in mind that the RNZAF was attached to the US Navy (CINCPacific) during WWII, so

they were also in receipt of "Ordered" Spare parts also through the US Quartermasters channels.

This RNZAF F4U-1 (NZ5324) is receiving a new outer wing Section - Note the SU Roundel

painter starting to paint the RNZAF Pacific Roundel over the US Star

PR4875.t5e1f4efb.m600.xZlxf9KQS.jpg

(RNZAF Official - RNZAF Museum - Used with Permissions)

 

6 hours ago, Aidrian said:

I haven’t yet found out whether the RNZAF added the fuel system plumbing to the second pylon on some or all of their machines – the US Navy certainly did.   In the past one of our NZ-based correspondents had suggested that some early NZ F4U-1Ds did not have the pylons but I can’t (so far) find anything to corroborate this; one of the defining characteristics of the -1D

 

These posted by Pete Mossong in the Forums

This is NZ5410 (-1D) with three fuel tanks about to land Jacquinot Bay, New Britain

NZ5410

 

More RNZAF F4U-1D's after landing at Jacquinot Bay for Green Island - Note

the triple Fuel Tanks

RNZAF Corsair with Triple tanks

 

Regards

 

Alan

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19 hours ago, LDSModeller said:

These posted by Pete Mossong in the Forums

This is NZ5410 (-1D) with three fuel tanks about to land Jacquinot Bay, New Britain

NZ5410

 

More RNZAF F4U-1D's after landing at Jacquinot Bay for Green Island - Note

the triple Fuel Tanks

RNZAF Corsair with Triple tanks

Thanks Alan - I had seen these before, but wasn't sure if at least one of the wing tanks might have been carrying Napalm. If they are being carried on a ferry flight then they are both likely to be used for fuel. 

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Here is a query,..... re the RNZAF Vickers Vincents and Vildebeest,..... when they looked like this,.... what was the colour scheme please? Was it Dark Earth and Dark Green (or RNZAF equivalant) with shadow shaded lower wings and was it Sky, Light Blue or something else on the underside?

I ask,.... because when I see these... and the Kittyhawk`s and Hawker Hinds,..... my heart wants them to be RNZAF Pacific Blue and Dk. Green,....  but my mind says NO!

Vide4-NZ123.jpg

nz131.jpg

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Or the earlier scheme,... which looks to be the 4 colour biplane scheme with shadow shading on the side of the fuselage and lower wings;

RNZAF-Nat-Library-of-NZ-Public-Domain-1-

RNZAF-Nat-Library-of-NZ-Public-Domain-1-

 

Obviously the one being restored looks like this and I`m sure they know their onions,... but I just thought I would ask in the remote chance that Pacific Blue was applied at some stage?

5562487961-237eb22ce8-b.jpg

 

The Hind too,.... another lovely aeroplane!

Hawker-Hind-RNZAF-NZ15xx.jpg

 

As an aside,.... I came across this superb photo years ago and thought it might be of interest;

NZ104.jpg

 

Cheers

           Tony

 

 

 

 

 

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13 hours ago, tonyot said:

with shadow shaded lower wings

I doubt it - photographic evidence would suggest otherwise

13 hours ago, tonyot said:

RNZAF Pacific Blue and Dk. Green,....  but my mind says NO

Based on what evidence?

 

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4 hours ago, LDSModeller said:

Based on what evidence?

 

 

4 hours ago, LDSModeller said:

I doubt it - photographic evidence would suggest otherwise

Based on what evidence?

 

 

Re Pacific Grey/ Dk Green,... where you say; "Based on what evidence?",...... 

 

......................I didn`t say I had any,.... I did say `my heart',........ but it doesn`t matter mate! 

 

Re shadow shading,... where you say,... "I doubt it - photographic evidence would suggest otherwise. Based on what evidence?"

 

,....The earlier pics show what looks like it COULD be a shadow shaded scheme on the side,....... and my post was a QUERY! ......Again,.... it doesn`t matter! 

 

Crikey!!

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Re Vildebeest's/Vincent's

 

From the RNZAF Museum Historian/Expert (paraphrased)

 

The Videbeest's arrived mid  to late 1940 in various colours

(Which one could assume possible countershading scheme - Italics added)

This would not have lasted long, as mid 1941 the RNZAF

repainted all Videbeest's/Vincent's in Dark Earth/Dark Green/Sky.

The Sky extending down the sides.

Early(ish) 1942 the Dark Green/dark Brown were extended down the

whole sides of the aircraft - NO Counter shading

 

Vincents appear to have arrived in Aluminum Dope/Anodised Metal

(giving a Glossy light grey sheen (from observers))

Later had camouflage applied as per Vildebeest's above.

 

Sea Blue Grey

Section 33B Reference N118 colour (Blue Sea Grey) was used to cover the Dark Earth colour on  aircraft during 1943, No evidence

sighted it did happen to Vildebeest's/Vincents (nothing to say it didn't either)

 

RNZAF Museum Expert Quote

"The precious remains of a Vincent/Vilde at the RNZAF Museum includes a good selection of metal fuselage panels shows the anodised light grey, plus dark earth/dark green camouflage, as well as a final coat of training yellow (drogue towing scheme), but no 33B/N118 Blue Sea Grey!"

8 hours ago, tonyot said:

.Again,.... it doesn`t matter! 

 

Actually it does matter - It's called showing respect for the Armed Forces of

my Country and the what they have done in times of War/Peace, and stopping the proliferation of

misinformation/assumption, by pretend/wannabee know it all's

I guarantee if I were to spout of some "Assumed" thing about an RAF (or any country for that matter) Aircraft etc

I'd soon hear about it - fairs, fair.

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It reads to me like @tonyot was asking questions or speculating rather than making statements of fact.  I also think it's a little presumptuous on your part to imply a lack of respect, it's discussion and at times simple mistake.  I rather think this rigid approach of yours is something that must be rooted in something we don't know that would give it context because honestly mate, it comes off otherwise as a bit pedantic.

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15 minutes ago, mark.au said:

I rather think this rigid approach of yours is something that must be rooted in something we don't know that would give it context because honestly mate, it comes off otherwise as a bit pedantic

Which is why I'm withdrawing from the GB as

obviously, people think I'm being pedantic.

Yes, there is context, but I'll leave it there

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Hi All,

 

Before I leave and do other things

 

I thought I'd leave you with a few odds and sods

on RNZAF Aircraft.

 

In 1943 NZ3510 - C60 Lodestar, was refurbished as a VIP

Transport, with amenities for up to Vice Regal Duties

 

The Aircraft plied the South West Pacific ferrying Members of

Parliament/Government Officials, and Senior Defense Officers.

On September 2n 1945 it became the first Commonwealth Aircraft

to land in Japan

Special Hobby do a kit in it's Overall Natural metal Finish, but prior to that

it was actually wearing Paint

 

At RNZAF Hobsonville - Auckland

PR1102.t5ebf0e28.m800.xEYYjogPu.jpg

(RNZAF Official - RNZAF Museum - Used with permissions)

 

Carrying the Then Governor General, Sir Cyril Newal (probably Espiritu Santo)

PR2047.t5f3342aa.m800.xcTzR7GVY.jpg

(RNZAF Official - RNZAF Museum - Used with permissions)

 

The more well known rendition

PR4075.t5f34aa5b.m800.x488VSK7P.jpg

(RNZAF Official - RNZAF Museum - Used with permissions)

 

During WWII the RNZAF also flew "Impressed Aircraft"

taken over from Civilian people - below just a couple of a number of types

Puss Moth at Waipapakauri - formerly ZK-ABG

MUS991033.t5f7772ab.m800.xuUrrlFB5.jpg

(RNZAF Official - RNZAF Museum - Used with permissions)

 

DH D.86 Express - this one at Wigram (to become NZ553) - incidentally the seating from one of these

was used in the C60 VIP above

ALB8553825a.t5fc97c36.m800.xCjB_sM5J.jpg

(RNZAF Official - RNZAF Museum - Used with permissions)

 

Flying Boats/Seaplanes

 

SARO Cutty sark - Hobsonville (circa 1935) - Uniformed Officer shaking hands with Gent in flying attire is LM Isitt

ALB862456031.t5f067d6a.m800.xBBVYkNiE.jp

(RNZAF Official - RNZAF Museum - Used with permissions)

 

Auster NZ1705 taking off from RNZAF Station Hobsonville

WhG8732-55.t5f0cdcb0.m800.xXMlCmHiK.jpg

(RNZAF Official - RNZAF Museum - Used with permissions)

 

Edit - Forgot this really important one - New Zealand Flying School - Kohimarama Auckland

Used to train Pilots during WWI for the RFC/RNAS - the hangars are made up

of Packing Cases from Cadillac Automobiles  Run by the Walsh Brothers

Curtiss Flying Boat

ALB88122713025.t5e88d02f.m800.xLQ4aVHWp.

ALB88122713023.t5e88d02f.m800.xwP8N8sNt.

(Photos - RNZAF Official - RNZAF Museum - Used with permissions)

 

Here's link to a YouTube Video (I have this also in my collection) has some good stuff on the Walsh Brothers

New Zealand Flying Boats

 

RNZAF Territorial Air Force - (Weekend Warriors)

NA Mustang NZ2417 - Ohakea

OhG2264-53.t60077dd4.m800.xVntpj9Kj.jpg

(RNZAF Official - RNZAF Museum - Used with permissions)

 

 Roundels sans checkerboards (depending on when in service)

MUS990241.t5f7f52d7.m800.xK96yh1do.jpg

(RNZAF Official - RNZAF Museum - Used with permissions)

 

DH Mosquito

75 Sqn Mosquito - NZ2328 at Ohakea

OhG880-51.t5fb70fcf.m600.x__LeuTy4.jpg

(RNZAF Official - RNZAF Museum - Used with permissions)

 

75 Sqn Mosquitos taking of on Exercise Hardtack (who thinks of these names) note Rockets

OhG1005-52.t5eb5cfc2.m600.xguwLRaDD.jpg

(RNZAF Official - RNZAF Museum - Used with permissions)

 

Other types

 

40 Sqn, DC6 - at Whenuapai - remember one these pulling up at the RNZAF Whenuapai Air Movements Terminal, with my Dad

and other RNZAF Personnel arriving back from NAS Moffat Field in California, having completed training with the USN on the new

P3B Orion's

DWNZ3631d.t5fe8d7e3.m800.xNGrUAyQd.jpg

(RNZAF Official - RNZAF Museum - Used with permissions)

 

There are other interesting types too, too many to post here

 

Have fun

 

Adios

 

Alan

If any of you have any queries just PM me

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11 hours ago, LDSModeller said:

Actually it does matter - It's called showing respect for the Armed Forces of

my Country and the what they have done in times of War/Peace, and stopping the proliferation of

misinformation/assumption, by pretend/wannabee know it all's

I guarantee if I were to spout of some "Assumed" thing about an RAF (or any country for that matter) Aircraft etc

I'd soon hear about it - fairs, fair.

When I said,..... "it doesn`t matter",..... I meant about asking questions when you get silly pendantic and even childish replies from you,......  it wasn`t directed at the history JUST YOU! 

 

And for you to imply that I have no respect for the New Zealand Armed Forces is just plain wrong,...... and if you think I am a `wannabee know it all",.... then you are basically describing yourself the way I see you,.... granted you know your subject,..... but you don`t half like telling people! At least I never profess to know everything or be an expert at anything,.... which is why I ask questions... sometimes laying myself wide open to rivet counting berks.... but hey,.... that is the hobby sometimes.

 

Alan,...I think you maybe take things a bit too seriously and need to get out more? Sorry it has come to this,.... but you have just gone off on one!

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Hello Tony @tonyot and Alan@LDSModeller I understand both sides of the argument. I dont want to be the bad guy and get tough you see. 😉 But if you cant agree to drop this and move on, I may have to get strict here. Alan and Tony I really don't want to see either of you leave, nor should you. You both bring and show great work in these builds, it would be a shame. Maybe if you can avoid talking to each other and just enjoy the spirit of the build for @Silver Fox it would be for the best.

 

Dennis

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