Mancunian airman Posted January 15, 2021 Author Share Posted January 15, 2021 Tom You can clearly see the 'hole' in the LG whereas the 'Non-retracting bar' I have highlighted with a single RED line. Two separate issues although in theory you could leave the NR -bar but as I said previously, I dont think I have ever seen it on a wartime aircraft . . . Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncarina Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Ian, ah yes, now that I go back I see it now. I should post AFTER my morning coffee. So what is the hole for? It looks like something is supposed to attach to it from it’s keyed shape. BTW, I was also planning to remove the non-retracting bar. Cheers, Tom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mancunian airman Posted January 15, 2021 Author Share Posted January 15, 2021 The hole doesnt serve a purpose . . . on the real thing its a solid cast hence why I am going to fill it (I have already actually but just waiting for it to dry). Photos to follow . . . Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncarina Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Thanks Ian. Odd that HK would have this in the strut. Like you wrote, it can only weaken. BTW, if the whole thing is too wobbly for your liking, Aerocraft makes this: https://aerocraftmodels.bigcartel.com/product/avro-lancaster-undercarriage-set-for-the-hong-kong-model-kits Cheers, Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mancunian airman Posted January 15, 2021 Author Share Posted January 15, 2021 Hi Tom Does that U/C set come as shown or do you have to construct the whole thing from many parts do you know ?? Its quite expensive, but nice however, I have not heard of many modellers saying that the u/c is fragile and likely to break . . . . Has anybody had experience using Brass U/C set for their aeroplanes ?? Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncarina Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Ian, All of the component parts appear in the first photo on the link. I do have experience using brass sets (white metal as well, which is more fragile for this application--see SAC U/C sets). Like white metal you will have a seam to clean up with a file, but the Aerocraft sets have impressive detail. I have their set for the 1/32 Bronco, and for that aircraft I think the purchase is worth it. I haven't read any complaints about the HK U/C, and my thinking was that when I get to the stage and I'm not happy, I would spring for the purchase. Hope this helps! Tom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mancunian airman Posted January 16, 2021 Author Share Posted January 16, 2021 Another small alteration that is personal choice. The bottom flap for the engines radiator can be in the lower position and all is well as the model sits on the 'ground'. From the rear though , as on the real aircraft, you can look up into the rad position and see the rad itself . . . Here is my working off this, I will put some a couple rods (hydraulic rams) in there when I come to fix the flaps . . . 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncarina Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Nice modification Ian! I haven’t seen anyone else do this with their build. Cheers, Tom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mancunian airman Posted January 16, 2021 Author Share Posted January 16, 2021 (edited) I am STILL trying to work out how to mount the radiator(s) in those engines nacelles with no engine ?? There doesnt appear to be a slot/location for it to sit in at the base of the cowling (?) rather that it has two pins that push into the bottom of the said engine . . . . HK provide some dummy fittings for the exhausts but I guess they overlooked the radiator fixture . . . Edited January 16, 2021 by Mancunian airman 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncarina Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Ian, I am up against this myself right now: how to assemble the engines with the minimum number of parts for the non-display option. Cheers, Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mancunian airman Posted January 17, 2021 Author Share Posted January 17, 2021 Let me know how you get on Tom . . . I suspect I shall have to put the engine(s) in just to mount the radiator ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isaneng Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 Ian, the 'non retracting bars' are the undercarriage ground locks, when removed they live in cylindrical storage holes in the tail interior. I'd never thought about it, but after a few minutes of hunting, no, I can't see any wartime pics of them in situ, bizarre. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mancunian airman Posted January 17, 2021 Author Share Posted January 17, 2021 (edited) The next small change I have attempted are the engine rads that sit at the bottom of the engine and are viewable through front engine intake . . . The kit radiator is a post-war type and that type only has two halves ie a single divide, the example on 'Just Jane' This photo shows the example taken from the film 'Night Bombers' My attempts to replicate the 3 section radiator, probably a first for this kit . . . I didnt use the part No 3 from the kit and originally the bottom section of the rad was curved as in the wartime photo but It would not fit into the front cowl from the kit so was therefore cut at angles to fit in . . . Moving onto the next mod for this kit . . . Ian Edited January 17, 2021 by Mancunian airman 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mancunian airman Posted January 17, 2021 Author Share Posted January 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, isaneng said: Ian, the 'non retracting bars' are the undercarriage ground locks, when removed they live in cylindrical storage holes in the tail interior. I'd never thought about it, but after a few minutes of hunting, no, I can't see any wartime pics of them in situ, bizarre. Thank you for the correct terminology Rick. I wasnt sure the exact name but I am aware that once in place they prevented the U/c from being retracted. A question if I may Rick, Are the main engine radiators silver in appearance or black ?? just want to paint mine up correctly. Many thanks to you for providing a series of photos of PA474, they will be studied at length in a bid to produce the most accurate model of the Lancaster I can rgds Ian 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isaneng Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 Ian, ours are silver, but are also the late war version. It has two cores, the forward one holds glycol based coolant, the aft section holds engine oil. I'm away from my books for a while, but I'm presuming the 3 core version you are replicating is 3 cores, side by side, rather than our fwd/aft set up, so, to be honest, I'd be guessing, sorry. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 Ian there was also talk of the front cowl being too large for a war time Lanc as supposedly it was a bit narrower for the 3 core rads? I think the wingnutwings kit had the 2 radiators and different cowls but I don't know if that was ever proven. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaotic Mike Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 On 1/16/2021 at 10:21 AM, Mancunian airman said: Another small alteration that is personal choice. The bottom flap for the engines radiator can be in the lower position and all is well as the model sits on the 'ground'. From the rear though , as on the real aircraft, you can look up into the rad position and see the rad itself . . . Here is my working off this, I will put some a couple rods (hydraulic rams) in there when I come to fix the flaps . . . I did something very similar. The net result was slightly underwhelming, in that you don't really ever see what is going on unless you pick it up.. Which I don't! The undercarriage is plenty strong enough. Mike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mancunian airman Posted January 17, 2021 Author Share Posted January 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Graham said: Ian there was also talk of the front cowl being too large for a war time Lanc as supposedly it was a bit narrower for the 3 core rads? I think the wingnutwings kit had the 2 radiators and different cowls but I don't know if that was ever proven. A lot of these issues came to light when WNW showed us their potential Lancaster . . . As I may have mentioned previously, where do you draw the line with correcting the many errors on the HK kit ?? Like many modellers who have built this kit and those that will in the future, we have to accept that some things cant be put right . . . Thanks for pointing it out Graham as I'm sure many didnt know that there was even an issue . . . Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mancunian airman Posted January 17, 2021 Author Share Posted January 17, 2021 36 minutes ago, Chaotic Mike said: I did something very similar. The net result was slightly underwhelming, in that you don't really ever see what is going on unless you pick it up.. Which I don't! The undercarriage is plenty strong enough. Mike Mike I understand what you are saying, I too consider the U/C to be sufficiently strong but regards to the back of the radiator flap, the opportunity was there to do the mod so I did . . . Thanks for your comments and looking in, if you have anymore observations about any other issues I would like to hear, as I'm sure others would cheers Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(ex)Sgtrafman Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 On 1/10/2021 at 7:32 AM, The Spadgent said: Oh hell yes I’d totally forgotten. Alain forgive me. 😇. J Alas Spitfire corner is no more, it was moved a couple of weeks ago and the site is looking very forlorn for itself now, sad really I used to like sitting there during one of my breaks. Iain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Just found this thread and all I can do is admire your thoroughness for a subject you obviously care about. I’ll sit in the corner and applaud from a 2m distance. Trevor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mancunian airman Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share Posted January 18, 2021 Many thanks Trevor for your kind words, the Lancaster is my favourite subject along with many aspects of its environments . . . I hope you enjoy the visits here cheers Ian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spadgent Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 On 18/01/2021 at 09:11, (ex)Sgtrafman said: Alas Spitfire corner is no more, it was moved a couple of weeks ago and the site is looking very forlorn for itself now, sad really I used to like sitting there during one of my breaks. Iain Oh no. Such a shame. The piece of Merlin was in my 1/24 Hurricane. It will always stick with me, Slamming on the breaks and doing a U-Turn after seeing a spitfire in my rear view that day. CC sent me parts of a Lancaster he helped uncover to put in the belly of the PA474 build. @Mancunian airman Wonderful progress dear sir. This is going to be spectacular. 👏👏👏👏 Johnny 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mancunian airman Posted January 19, 2021 Author Share Posted January 19, 2021 Thanks for looking in Johnny. Rick, isaneng, has been very good to send me his album of photos that cover PA474, an invaluable resource, to have the details of the Lancaster despite it being a late production aircraft. I cant sing his praises enough. More of the build to come a bit later . . . Ian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mancunian airman Posted January 19, 2021 Author Share Posted January 19, 2021 (edited) The result of applying HK Sprue glue to the undercarriage legs . . . In last Fridays post you can see the photo of the 'holes' in the main U/C legs which on the real aircraft are solid so they had to be filled More to come I'm pleased to say . . . Ian Edited January 19, 2021 by Mancunian airman 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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