petetasker Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 Hi all Currently planning a build of Martin Bakers beautiful black Meteor 7.5 WA638. Question is, has anyone got a snap inside the rear cockpit. Appreciate the seat will be whatever’s being tested at the time but I’d be interested to know it’s general configuration - any instrumentation etc? Plan (very loose at this stage) is to use the Airfix F8 and Alley Cats recent T7 conversion kit as starting points. As a side note I know Cosford still have ex MB T7 WA634 which is in store - somewhere? Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jb65rams Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 Interesting project. I built WL419 in 1/72 Few years ago. From memory I kept the rear cockpit very sparse, removing any instrumentation detail and painted it black. I used Blue Rider decals, they had an article in Insignia Magazine (?) which explained the conversion and had some photos. I hopefully still have it. I will see if I can find it, won’t be able to look until the back end of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petetasker Posted December 26, 2020 Author Share Posted December 26, 2020 17 minutes ago, Jb65rams said: Interesting project. I built WL419 in 1/72 Few years ago. From memory I kept the rear cockpit very sparse, removing any instrumentation detail and painted it black. I used Blue Rider decals, they had an article in Insignia Magazine (?) which explained the conversion and had some photos. I hopefully still have it. I will see if I can find it, won’t be able to look until the back end of the week. Hi thanks in advance for this. I’d quite like to get some accurate detail in the back if I can as it’s all going to be easily seen in 1/48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritJet Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 I've built both WA638 and WL419 as well as the F3 they used and photos of the rear cockpit are very hard to find. Luckily there is virtually nothing in there apart from the seat being tested - I assume because the blast from the seat's rocket would destroy any instruments or cabling. This https://pdf4pro.com/cdn/the-chalgrove-meteors-ejectorseats-co-uk-36dcaf.pdf is useful - the interiors have been painted black in more recent years. Hope this helps. Steve 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petetasker Posted December 26, 2020 Author Share Posted December 26, 2020 44 minutes ago, BritJet said: I've built both WA638 and WL419 as well as the F3 they used and photos of the rear cockpit are very hard to find. Luckily there is virtually nothing in there apart from the seat being tested - I assume because the blast from the seat's rocket would destroy any instruments or cabling. This https://pdf4pro.com/cdn/the-chalgrove-meteors-ejectorseats-co-uk-36dcaf.pdf is useful - the interiors have been painted black in more recent years. Hope this helps. Steve That’s just what I was after. Thanks very much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 Annoyingly, though I have had a few visits to see the M-B Meteors, I've never taken any shots of the rear cockpits. I can confirm that they are pretty bare however - which explains the lack of photos. This sort of shows the black interior of WL419 (WA638 had a red dummy seat at the time): And in case it helps, this is the front cockpit of WA638: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilfergylee Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 (edited) Hi @petetasker, I modelled one of the Martin Baker Meteors a couple of years ago. As part of my homework I came across an earlier airframe, WA634. I cannot remember where the pictures came from but I have uploaded them for you here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/26690797@N02/albums/72157717749592221 Cheers, Neil Edited January 6, 2021 by neilfergylee typo 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsprop Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 I looked into doing this a while ago. From what I can recall about the research I did, it's just an empty tub but has additional plating around the tub to protect the aircraft from the blast of repeated ejections. Unfortunately, I have no idea where I recall this information from. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilfergylee Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 43 minutes ago, wellsprop said: Unfortunately, I have no idea where I recall this information from. Take a look at my link above, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B (Sc) Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 19 hours ago, wellsprop said: I looked into doing this a while ago. From what I can recall about the research I did, it's just an empty tub but has additional plating around the tub to protect the aircraft from the blast of repeated ejections. Unfortunately, I have no idea where I recall this information from. For what it is worth I also have a recollection that the 'tub' is essentially an empty box and was later reinforced to cope with blast effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petetasker Posted January 13, 2021 Author Share Posted January 13, 2021 On 11/01/2021 at 20:11, neilfergylee said: For the first time ever on this forum, I'm getting a but miffed. Has nobody looked at my b----y Flickr link??? Hi all Many thanks for all the replies. Sorry for not getting involved for a while after posting the initial enquiry but I hope you’ll understand our area going into Tier 4 and then into full lockdown and the subsequent impact this has had on my business has had to take precedence over plastic modelling and Britmodeller. @neilfergylee thanks for the photo link. The meteor shots you’ve included are from the Martin Baker PDF article link that @BritJet kindly posted but many thanks anyway it is still very much appreciated. The entire PDF article is well worth reading. Absolutely fascinating. Still at the planning stage for the project and Im now trying to work out how to do the decals. Thanks again to everyone Pete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilfergylee Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 (edited) @petetasker @zebra I'm really glad the pictures were of use and indeed their source because I was darned if I could remember where they come from! I modelled Martin Baker's black Meteor last year and below are some shots. I was not entirely satisfied with the result as I botched the combing around the rear cockpit. So you are aware, the forward cockpit canopy came from an old Matchbox Meteor 14. Cheers, Neil Edited January 15, 2021 by neilfergylee 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petetasker Posted January 15, 2021 Author Share Posted January 15, 2021 9 hours ago, neilfergylee said: @petetasker @zebra I'm really glad the pictures were of use and indeed their source because I was darned if I could remember whwre they come from! I modelled Martin Baker's black Meteor last year and below are soem shots. I was not entirely satisfied with the result as I botched the combing around the rear cockpit. So you are aware, the forward cockpit came from an old Matchbox Meteor 14. Cheers, Neil Nice - are the decals aftermarket or home printed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilfergylee Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 9 hours ago, petetasker said: Nice - are the decals aftermarket or home printed? They're aftermarket - I'll check which ones for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petetasker Posted January 15, 2021 Author Share Posted January 15, 2021 1 minute ago, neilfergylee said: They're aftermarket - I'll check which ones for you. Thanks for the reply. I was hoping you were going to say you printed your own and could easily upscale them to 1/48! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zebra Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Very nicely done @neilfergylee I’m thinking of doing one in 1/48. I think (someone correct me if I’m wrong) the black one requires a few gold decals so printing might be a bit more difficult than usual. So it might be the other one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petetasker Posted January 16, 2021 Author Share Posted January 16, 2021 6 hours ago, zebra said: Very nicely done @neilfergylee I’m thinking of doing one in 1/48. I think (someone correct me if I’m wrong) the black one requires a few gold decals so printing might be a bit more difficult than usual. So it might be the other one. White lettering with a gold cheat line. I dropped a line to Alleycat Models a while ago suggesting the MB Meteors might make an interesting 1/48 conversion kit - you never know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilfergylee Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 On 15/01/2021 at 08:43, petetasker said: Nice - are the decals aftermarket or home printed? These are the ones: https://www.scalemates.com/kits/combat-decals-cd72-005-british-test-and-development-aircraft--942650 Unfortunately, I think they are discontinued. Neil 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shearwater Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 (edited) On 18/01/2021 at 16:58, neilfergylee said: These are the ones: https://www.scalemates.com/kits/combat-decals-cd72-005-british-test-and-development-aircraft--942650 Unfortunately, I think they are discontinued. Neil @neilfergylee I’ve just found this thread whilst preparing to start (at my usual glacial pace) a 1/72 WA638. Yours looks lovely, good work there. Combat Decals have just released a few more sheets of CD72-005, not sure if they’re old stock or re-printed ones, but I wanted to ask: how did you find the decals to work with? Did they behave ok? I’m sure I saw somewhere else a fairly poor review of them (v delicate). Hopefully they’re ok as I’ve bought one and am planning to build three kits (at least) from it!!! Edited January 5 by The Shearwater 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilfergylee Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 On 05/01/2024 at 12:46, The Shearwater said: @neilfergylee I’ve just found this thread whilst preparing to start (at my usual glacial pace) a 1/72 WA638. Yours looks lovely, good work there. Combat Decals have just released a few more sheets of CD72-005, not sure if they’re old stock or re-printed ones, but I wanted to ask: how did you find the decals to work with? Did they behave ok? I’m sure I saw somewhere else a fairly poor review of them (v delicate). Hopefully they’re ok as I’ve bought one and am planning to build three kits (at least) from it!!! I recall no problems at all! Go for it and share what you have done! Cheers, Neil 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shearwater Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 5 hours ago, neilfergylee said: I recall no problems at all! Go for it and share what you have done! Cheers, Neil That’s great to hear, many thanks for the reply and watch this space! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Work In Progress Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 I've just picked up that decal sheet too and now I need a FOURTH T.7 kit. Fortunately they are still around cheaply in Xtrakit boxes, and I have enough left-over F.8 style tails from other spare sprues that have washed up in my general MPM / Xtrakit / SH 1/72 Meteor kit collection 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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