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On 20/01/2021 at 14:27, lasermonkey said:

I would heartily recommend Stephen Bungay's The Most Dangerous Enemy if you have even the slightest interest in the Battle Of Britain. Being an analyst, he  makes use of combat data in a way I haven't seen by anyone else. The breakdown of the combats make for  very interesting reading!

 

Regarding the '109's ammunition, remember that the cannons only had 60 rounds per gun, so the majority of that 40 seconds would be for just two 7.62mm guns. The eight Brownings on the RAF aircraft used a very effective type of ammunition. Although referred to as de Wilde, it was secret at the time and the RAF was quite happy to let everyone think it actually was de Wilde being used. It was certainly very effective against fighters, if not so much the bombers with their armour plate. Some bombers returned to base with literally hundreds of bullet holes in them. I've also read from surviving Luftwaffe pilots that flying into the tracer from eight MGs was a terrifying experience. Imagine trying to hold your nerve and not break away!

 

Another conclusion drawn by Bungay was that the MGFFs used by the '109s weren't as effective against Spitfires as has often been quoted. Their low muzzle velocity didn't give a lot of penetrating power, with the rounds tending to explode on contact with the Spitfires' skin. This would blow bloomin' great holes in them, but often not cause fatal structural damage. Certainly, the Spitfire was most survivable aircraft of all the combatants in the BoB, with the Hurricane coming third due to its propensity to burn. And you'd have to get in close with little deflection unless you really knew what you were doing. Bungay suggests that the '109s came out on top for the most part only when they had the element of surprise, bouncing and then diving away. Whenever the Germans were bounced or a dogfight developed, the RAF's fighters tended to dominate.

 

The RAF's tactics adapted too. Whilst inexperienced units still used the Vic, those that had seen combat quickly adopted better formations. But often, the numbers that attacked the Luftwaffe's formations were very small, this actually being to the advantage of the RAF, giving a "target rich environment" as it's called these days. You could fire at pretty much anything and almost guarantee it's a valid target, when the German aircraft could be getting in each other's way*. And while the RAF's formations were mostly small in number, they were more or less constant throughout the entire raid, causing a great deal of stress to the German crews. The squadron that intercepted the raid as it approached the coast could well be refuelled, rearmed and back as the Luftwaffe headed for home.

 

*This is reported to have happened to units of Leigh-Mallory's Big Wing on the few occasions they managed to turn up on time.

Excellent stuff Lasermonkey. Thank you for this information.

The German crews despite being told the RAF were down to their last few fighters were still attacked and harassed. I've read this in other sources. 

The harmonisation question is very interesting too. I forget which pilot it was but think it may have been Sailor Malan who harmonised his guns at 50 yds. ( might be wrong) "Punch hard- then get out" ! 

 

Yes i do have an interest in the BoB and will follow up on Stephen Bungay's The Most Dangerous Enemy

 

Cheers

Kind Regards

Andy

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On 1/20/2021 at 8:00 PM, Denford said:

Back on track, I've read somewhere (probably here, Britmodeller) that the Tamiya announcement (the subject of this thread, though you might not guess so reading recent posts) will be at 4.00pm Tokyo time.

Here, in UK, that's 1.00 am the next day and even later in US, but better for Australia.

Perhaps somebody from there ie Australia could post what is announced.

If the announcement is at 4.00pm Japan time then that makes it 7.00am UK time.

 

Japan is nine hours ahead.

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On 1/21/2021 at 2:13 PM, Robert said:

But which version, B, C, D, E, EJ, EJ Kai, F, G, J, K, M, N, S

A

 

 

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22 hours ago, Col Walter E Kurtz said:

Yes i do have an interest in the BoB and will follow up on Stephen Bungay's The Most Dangerous Enemy

Best book on the BoB. 

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29 minutes ago, czaralko said:

Is the announcement the 25th japanese time?

 

Its on the 24th Japan, but adjust for local time where ever you live, if its UK its 7AM 25th apparently.

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13 minutes ago, One 48 said:

 

Its on the 24th Japan, but adjust for local time where ever you live, if its UK its 7AM 25th apparently.

 

Other way around: the 24th is already gone in Japan as they are 9 hours ahead of the UK. Announcement will be in the afternoon of Monday 25th in Japan, meaning morning of the same day in the UK

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On 1/22/2021 at 3:08 PM, Greenshirt said:

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I would be more than greatly surprised to see an A, especially an early one, but to be honest a really good early F-4A would make a nice addition to any Phantom II enthusiast's collection. 

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Tamiya is a commercial manufacturer, so requesting niche items like the F-4A is a bit far off as I see it, sorry. 

This is also why there is so many BF-109's, P-51, Spits, F-4 Phantoms, F-16 and the like around - it sells! 

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2 hours ago, Giorgio N said:

 

Other way around: the 24th is already gone in Japan as they are 9 hours ahead of the UK. Announcement will be in the afternoon of Monday 25th in Japan, meaning morning of the same day in the UK

 

Thanks for correction :)

Genuinely curious what it is now, apparently more than one major new release has been hinted at, but definitely one at least scale kit model, read an official Tamiya announcement about a year ago, when Covid started I think it was and we were all wondering how that might effect production by scale model factory, they said something like we will be having an aggressive release policy ... something like that ... so given research and production lead times, maybe this is the result of that statement?

We'll know soon :)

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25 minutes ago, Boman said:

Tamiya is a commercial manufacturer, so requesting niche items like the F-4A is a bit far off as I see it, sorry. 

This is also why there is so many BF-109's, P-51, Spits, F-4 Phantoms, F-16 and the like around - it sells! 

 

Boman ... I agree, Tamiya make safe releases in general, they were semi adventurous in the past, but not so much in the last decade or so ... I'll welcome anything they release and even though I'm straying away from big scale Aircraft kits these days and if it is another new tool WW2 warbird, whatever it is I'll buy one, they are just sheer luxury kits in this hobby and a joy to build.

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Online: https://www.tamiya.com/japan/featuredreleases_early2021.html

 

Military Models

  • Item: 35377   1/35 German Sd.Kfz.2 Kettenkraftrad (Mid-Production)
  • Item: 35378   1/35 German Tank Panzerkampfwagen IV Ausf.G (Early Production)
  • Item: 32599   1/48 Russian Medium Tank T-34-85

 

Aircraft

  • Item: 61121   1/48 McDonnell Douglas™ F-4B Phantom II™ 

 

Car Models

  • Item: 24359   1/24 1989 Sauber-Mercedes C9
  • Item: 24360   1/24 Scale Nissan Fairlady 240ZG
  • Item: 24355   1/24 McLaren Senna
  • Item: 20069   1/20 Fiat 131 Abarth Rally Olio Fiat

 

V.P.

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Item: 61121   1/48 McDonnell Douglas™ F-4B Phantom II

Anyone know Tamiya 1/48 kit numerology ? is Item: 61121 next in sequence? EDIT: The 1/48 P-38 was kit 61120, so this is the real deal for a 1/48 Phantom from Tamiya :)

I'm honestly pleased about this to tell the truth, yay ... sorry for the bigger scale guys, but so pleased about this.

 

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Considering the very serviceable new kits already out from Academy and ZM, this is a little surprising, however it’s a popular subject so has every chance of outselling these earlier kits. U.S Navy is a popular genre and I’m sure Tamiya realise this after the good sales of their 1/48 F-14 kits. 
Cheers.. Dave 

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The one thing you can guarantee.......................................... it will be idiot proof.

 

Question will be .... will they introduce other marks in time like they did with the F14 ??

 

Dick

 

I want one ................NOW !!!!! 

 

 

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I’m looking forward to some more details on the 240Z, it looks like it’s going to be a full kit rather than kerbside, if so I can see at least a couple of them in my future😃

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Yep Dave, there are pretty serviceable kits of nearly all realistic expectation kits they could have released too Aircraft wise, still have a couple of Hasegawa F4's in this scale I'll still keep.

Really looking forward to this, for anyone who has built a Tamiya F14 in 1/48 and compared it to an older Hasegawa F14, this will be a new benchmark of quality from Tamiya again, I'm sure for F4's

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9 minutes ago, jenko said:

The one thing you can guarantee.......................................... it will be idiot proof.

 

Question will be .... will they introduce other marks in time like they did with the F14 ??

 

Dick

 

I want one ................NOW !!!!! 

 

 

An N is pretty easy to do. Mk7 seats (if its an early B it will be Mk 5's), minor stuff in the cockpit and the ECM lumps and bumps and jobs a good un. Loving the ZM Kits, built the Academy B which lags behind the ZM. ZM doesnt look like its going to release a flat wing B/N so this makes me a happy bunny. However, I would  still have loved to have seen a new tooled USN F-4 in 32 from Tamiya.

 

Oh and closed so it can branch off into individual threads here ;)

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