Andy J Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 So as promised I've made a start on the Wittmann Tiger l. Now bare in mind this is my first Dragon kit and easily the most detailed kit I've built to date so there's not a massive amount of progress but nevertheless I'm up and running which is the most important thing. Getting used to the layout of the instructions is a bit of a challenge and finding the parts required more so. There's a lot of parts sprues in this kit with the same letter stamped on which is slightly confusing but something I'm getting used to. Imo the level of detail is superb and although this build will take a while I'm certain that the end result will be worth it. Here's today's progress pic's, like I say nothing amazing but very enjoyable The details on the sprocket wheels alone is great I'm looking forward to continuing the build tomorrow 🙂👍 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vytautas Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Oh yes, the Dragon models are very good at building, and if the instructions were error-free and not confusing, it would be a total pleasure. Vytautas 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy J Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 minute ago, vytautas said: Oh yes, the Dragon models are very good at building, and if the instructions were error-free and not confusing, it would be a total pleasure. Vytautas I agree Vytautas some of the instructions are confusing.....especially for a Dragon virgin like me 🙄👍 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zack Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 3 hours ago, M3talpig said: You are not alone ....none for my morning coffee either. back to breakfast whisky for me but it's just not the same Well stocked with the G in G&T, supplies are going to take me well into easter... LOL, wishful thinking So short update on the 503#123. While waiting for the Star to sort out their CS stuff, an since I am using the #123 reloading picture as "my" reference: I decided to use the Star turret bits for a better purpose. No rivet counting please the bits and blobs are there to show "something" since loaders and commanders hatches are displayed open. Following Jasper dog's inspiring example! I will be fettling with the side skirts (notice the bend = I will have to do this on all 8 segments and will still be out of alignment...) Torsions bars are in, still think the only reason to do this is to cut off the locating pin to the swing arm to make it move - way fiddly and probably not worth it... Thank you guys for being here - I really enjoy the BM site as such! Stay safe, stay sane and happy modelling in 2021! Zack 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy J Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, Zack said: Well stocked with the G in G&T, supplies are going to take me well into easter... LOL, wishful thinking So short update on the 503#123. While waiting for the Star to sort out their CS stuff, an since I am using the #123 reloading picture as "my" reference: I decided to use the Star turret bits for a better purpose. No rivet counting please the bits and blobs are there to show "something" since loaders and commanders hatches are displayed open. Following Jasper dog's inspiring example! I will be fettling with the side skirts (notice the bend = I will have to do this on all 8 segments and will still be out of alignment...) Torsions bars are in, still think the only reason to do this is to cut off the locating pin to the swing arm to make it move - way fiddly and probably not worth it... Thank you guys for being here - I really enjoy the BM site as such! Stay safe, stay sane and happy modelling in 2021! Zack Same to you Zack keep up the good work 👍 👏 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M3talpig Posted January 5, 2021 Author Share Posted January 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, Zack said: Well stocked with the G in G&T so supplies are going to take me well into easter... Have one for me Zack.................better yet pop one in the post ...will PM my address 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zack Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 6 minutes ago, M3talpig said: Have one for me Zack.................better yet pop one in the post ...will PM my address Was waiting for you to wake up on that one 🤔 - PM and the envelope with the etch is in the mail. Can't do the small PE bits any longer (+2.0) and life is to short / to many kits still waiting😎 Hope you can enjoy! //Z 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy J Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 So concerning the Tiger build I have a few questions to ask ; In the photo Steve posted of the Wittmann Tiger and crew the various hatches are all open. I'm assuming that the crew jumped out for the photo shoot and then returned to their positions and moved on. To be true to the pic I'm going to leave my hatches open so what colour would the inside of the hatches be please? Also on the kit the idler arm moves backwards and forwards so should I leave this loose until I've adjusted the tracks? And finally I've checked different references and they all say no zimmerit on Wittmann’s winter Tiger....do you agree? Thanks in anticipation 🙂👍 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longbow Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Andy J said: So concerning the Tiger build I have a few questions to ask ; In the photo Steve posted of the Wittmann Tiger and crew the various hatches are all open. I'm assuming that the crew jumped out for the photo shoot and then returned to their positions and moved on. To be true to the pic I'm going to leave my hatches open so what colour would the inside of the hatches be please? Also on the kit the idler arm moves backwards and forwards so should I leave this loose until I've adjusted the tracks? And finally I've checked different references and they all say no zimmerit on Wittmann’s winter Tiger....do you agree? Thanks in anticipation 🙂👍 Yes, leave the idler lose until your ready for track figment. No.... No Zim on this Tiger. Inside of the crew hatches at this time would be the dark yellow of the outer color. Sorry for the short reply, I’m between calls. Edited January 5, 2021 by Longbow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longbow Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Nice progress, Zack..... I think I missed which base kit you decided to use ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy J Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 13 minutes ago, Longbow said: Yes, leave the idler lose until your ready for track figment. No.... No Zim on this Tiger. Inside of the crew hatches at this time would be the dark yellow of the outer color. Sorry for the short reply, I’m between calls. Thanks Lee much appreciated 🙂👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasper dog Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 21 minutes ago, Longbow said: Yes, leave the idler lose until your ready for track figment. No.... No Zim on this Tiger. Inside of the crew hatches at this time would be the dark yellow of the outer color. Sorry for the short reply, I’m between calls. 7 minutes ago, Andy J said: Thanks Lee much appreciated 🙂👍 Wooooh.... inside of hatchs, dunkelgelb?? Correct me if I'm wrong but I'd have gone off-wight sort of ivory colour.. As for dragon instructions, thats half the fun...occasionally they even match with reality! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longbow Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 6 minutes ago, Jasper dog said: Wooooh.... inside of hatchs, dunkelgelb?? Correct me if I'm wrong but I'd have gone off-wight sort of ivory colour.. As for dragon instructions, thats half the fun...occasionally they even match with reality! Not at this time in the war. White hatches stood out like a sore thumb. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy J Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 9 minutes ago, Jasper dog said: Wooooh.... inside of hatchs, dunkelgelb?? Correct me if I'm wrong but I'd have gone off-wight sort of ivory colour.. As for dragon instructions, thats half the fun...occasionally they even match with reality! Tbh Darryl if I hadn't asked I'd have probably gone cremweiss or something similar. I can live with the instructions mate because the kit looks to be excellent 🙂👍 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasper dog Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, Longbow said: Not at this time in the war. White hatches stood out like a sore thumb. Cool thats fine, just checking.... If you say so... 4 minutes ago, Andy J said: Tbh Darryl if I hadn't asked I'd have probably gone cremweiss or something similar. I can live with the instructions mate because the kit looks to be excellent 🙂👍 Look at you Cremwiss, even picking up the lingo! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy J Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Jasper dog said: Cool thats fine, just checking.... If you say so... Look at you Cremwiss, even picking up the lingo! Yes Darryl consider yourself told ......he can be abrupt at times our Lee bless him......as for the lingo well...when in Rome.....😉👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longbow Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Here’s the restored Bovington Tiger. The white hatches, early in the war, became magnets for opposition troops aiming at the exposed crew. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy J Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, Longbow said: Here’s the restored Bovington Tiger. The white hatches, early in the war, became magnets for opposition troops aiming at the exposed crew. Thanks Lee that's actually a great reference pic for later in my build 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasper dog Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Thoroughly chastised! Pssst, don't tell old Captain Chaos but Wittmanns early Tiger, clues in the name Early... Tbh, I'm not 100% and I'm sure and our bud from the colonies might differ and he's far more knowledgeable than I but early Tiger in Panzer Grey.... Just between you and I, ivory white, just don't tell Lee!! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasper dog Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, Longbow said: Here’s the restored Bovington Tiger. The white hatches, early in the war, became magnets for opposition troops aiming at the exposed crew. Sure you've note just photo- shopped that... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy J Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Jasper dog said: Sure you've note just photo- shopped that... Darryl note the Cremwiss inside 😉👍 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mozzy19 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Those AFV Club tracks aren’t half fragile even when glued to create link and length sections. But they’re on and now I can build the diorama for it now the Tiger is pretty much completed Sean 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy J Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, Mozzy19 said: Those AFV Club tracks aren’t half fragile even when glued to create link and length sections. But they’re on and now I can build the diorama for it now the Tiger is pretty much completed Sean Nice work Sean looks great 👍. Another completed Tiger build for the thread 🙂👍 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longbow Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 20 minutes ago, Jasper dog said: Thoroughly chastised! Pssst, don't tell old Captain Chaos but Wittmanns early Tiger, clues in the name Early... Tbh, I'm not 100% and I'm sure and our bud from the colonies might differ and he's far more knowledgeable than I but early Tiger in Panzer Grey.... Just between you and I, ivory white, just don't tell Lee!! Pssst.... Don't tell Andy, but S04 was tri-color camouflage, not Panzer Grey Theres actually some great GIF's of these Leibstandarte Tiger's in Russia. They are Post Kursk, so Winter '43-'44. Quote.... http://www.panzerace.net/biography/ostfront-1943-44.html# Between his being recommended for the Knight’s Cross on 10th January and receiving the award four days later, SS-Untersturmführer Wittmann embarked on a what can only be described as a victory celebration of destruction. Over this short period, Wittmann’s Tiger had knocked out an astonishing twenty-two enemy tanks, which took his total to eighty-eight enemy tanks destroyed. Over the 12th and 13th January alone, Wittmann and his crew knocked out a phenomenal sixteen T34s and three anti-tank guns. Knight’s Cross winner Michael Wittmann and his crew are congratulated by Joachim “Jochen” Peiper. The “kill marks” are clearly visible on the Tiger’s gun. The happy crew. Radio operator Werner Irrgang, gunner Bobby Woll, Michael Wittmann, loader Sepp Rößner, driver Eugen Schmidt In what was a highly successful series of missions, the only moment of bad luck that took place was when Wittmann lost a front tooth in a freak accident in a Schwimmwagen – though other sources have stated that he had lost the tooth by hitting his head against the cupola of his Tiger after it had driven over an obstacle. End quote. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longbow Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 21 minutes ago, Mozzy19 said: Those AFV Club tracks aren’t half fragile even when glued to create link and length sections. But they’re on and now I can build the diorama for it now the Tiger is pretty much completed Sean Awesome work, Sean.... I love the camouflage on this one !! What's next, another Tiger ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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