Retired Bob Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 19 hours ago, Retired Bob said: I understand now, when you said needles, I thought needles do not have a head, they are for sewing. You have used dressmaking pins, they have a head, I have used those on my Panther tracks. Zack was ahead of the game using dress making pins, but in Swedish they are called needles. (Zack is helping me with my Swedish) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retired Bob Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 I have assembled a full set of the San Xin tracks, they assemble really quickly, it only took me a couple of hours even with my old fingers. There is a BUT, on comparing them with the Fruils I noticed they do not have the chevrons on the track pads. The San Xin ones have the 4x raised pads on the tread, I will have to delve more into Tiger tracks but I thought that pattern was only on early tracks that had left and right sided tracks, in Oct 43 they went to a single sided link with the raised chevrons for added grip? Here are the tracks assembled with the 3x Fruils for comparison. I assemble my tracks in half lengths so they fit in my burnishing bath. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stef N. Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 They look good Bob. Very clean. Although I do like the more rougher edged Fruils too. Have you tried out a sample in the burnishing fluid? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retired Bob Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, Stef N. said: They look good Bob. Very clean. Although I do like the more rougher edged Fruils too. Have you tried out a sample in the burnishing fluid? I'm not sure whether to just go for it or do test sample with just a few links assembled with pins. Simon @Redcoat2966 has used these type of Chinese tracks, I wonder if he has had any issues with burnishing them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M3talpig Posted January 23, 2021 Author Share Posted January 23, 2021 22 minutes ago, Retired Bob said: have to delve more into Tiger tracks but I thought that pattern was only on early tracks that had left and right sided tracks, Only the first nine or so Tigers as far as i can tell used mirror tracks .....the slightly later initials that were delivered to Africa were early tracks IE they were not handed and had no chevron pattern on the shoe and the late were again not handed and did have the chevron pattern...be interested in whether you can burnish those as they don't look like white metal...may have to undercoat those and paint.......look like they went together well though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcoat2966 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 21 minutes ago, Retired Bob said: I'm not sure whether to just go for it or do test sample with just a few links assembled with pins. Simon @Redcoat2966 has used these type of Chinese tracks, I wonder if he has had any issues with burnishing them? HI Both.....I have jus installed R-Model tracks on my Bergepanther and also on my Elephant.....had no issues on the burnishing front. I also have a set of these San Xin tracks on the way too, and doubt also they'll have burnishing issue. Regards Simon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retired Bob Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 25 minutes ago, M3talpig said: Only the first nine or so Tigers as far as i can tell used mirror tracks .....the slightly later initials that were delivered to Africa were early tracks IE they were not handed and had no chevron pattern on the shoe and the late were again not handed and did have the chevron pattern...be interested in whether you can burnish those as they don't look like white metal...may have to undercoat those and paint.......look like they went together well though. None of the books that I have give much info on tracks, I only found that the earlier links had the 4x raised pads, then there was a mention of from Oct 43 raised chevrons were used for better grip. Trying to buy some Fruils on ebay last December, the only ones that were available were the San Xin non-handed or R-Model which were handed (mirror) plus some plastic workable from Rye Field. It would appear that if you want metal late pattern tracks with the chevrons your only choices are Fruil or Masterclub. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 I think that if someone was to start making Track Pin sets like the ones in those San Xin tracks suitable for all the Fiulmodel track sets, then they would sell lots and lots of them, just a thought 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echen Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Temporary transfer of operations indoors to the study. Now I can stick plastic together and paint it without danger of frostbite............................ Changed the base colour to Humbrol 93 instead of 94. IMO looks better being a shade lighter and closer to the base of the 505 Tiger 1 I'm aiming at. I'd made a start with Humbrol 94 base and Humbrol 32 tyres. Still shed-loads to do. Looking at all the pics of tracks with full runs ready to be fitted it looks like I'm in for some fun fitting individual link/length tracks in the slot between the tops of the wheels and the overhang of the hull - but that's a way off yet. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcoat2966 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Cerberus said: I think that if someone was to start making Track Pin sets like the ones in those San Xin tracks suitable for all the Fiulmodel track sets, then they would sell lots and lots of them, just a thought Actually you can get just the pins......but very expensive for how many you get...... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/R-Model-3500A-1-35-Metal-Track-Pin-For-WWII-German-Tiger-Tank/264300575226?_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item3d898ab9fa:g:Sx8AAOSwHSVcxI71&amdata=enc%3AAQAFAAACcBaobrjLl8XobRIiIML1V4Imu%2Fn%2BzU5L90Z278x5ickkXKoKcbeZcOrOku%2BoOBl%2BS9jafOzgaGoR9TTLxkGlDNT0t9AMPoH5Ru8WTj%2BP4%2BWfZcFvgHnK%2BojWTW2GU6bnaSmRBHV60LytT65zLEvi6OXRVf0QScA570EkaULSACVPjTt2Z75ePvIPyVKID4I3JgWpsL5Vyep3U8OdhcxD9wg5ne4gTCToEaMQVZ%2BMQcA7OFl0qN5rciOGsLhhUBQk4JX0Qz2rTKaBVj3zvVpaHFnvXBOhdlyup1n%2BUsW2aU00Y0rsD9aw7FRfi3ptfsKBrQFTuP9VvxY3yIfY17eNQbS9rNO6P8tXXeDZl%2F%2B%2BhkSmejTVhgDIm%2FXvLUqNc7dUPNEazzCcFWLpAKoZvAYRk%2F%2FR8aXAgxQsFwfyT815sdeS37y%2BZHLYllgndtfa20aXvWGO5GDDSmHQJfQXbehcJv8l5qWZyMbWZ1ODGwtcpENqFuVdOf9x2G%2BYA0B1hMuze%2BvpqDYT773rx5OWMhilJ%2F941ss5kJ2gvf0HilEZ2Xa8ga2MPuNnn71Zi9pOnvZgmaKc4tB%2FnVTkLGg%2FsPYtxgv2pZBQPqvxJCHHqNk4WV0CaZLcjRXB6w%2F0trdWddMh%2FEQ%2B4p3vWQawC99BVrHuSFKeA2wZot4lQnCFEpwO45poKPZNSI%2BZ2946FSLAFrLlrmDegXVr3rp%2Frm8WnwmxgU85Hoop1t%2BhcMuqjaSdGWFhdhyd6IdmyazhWwTUwSim8iReJjLEGUQL3H8GHDEP1elqmzNL3UfoKBLrjj%2FXSn3CYIo23MrAtkYg0K50AqWq7A%3D%3D|cksum%3A264300575226d8aab58adba7485ca645b823e1ccd4c8|ampid%3APL_CLK|clp%3A2334524 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy J Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 So off topic I know but I have this kit and would like to use Fruil tracks. I have looked at Historex but I'm a little confused as which are the right ones for this kit. Could someone help me out please and tell me which ones to order 🤔👍 Thanks 🙂👍 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcoat2966 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 6 minutes ago, Andy J said: So off topic I know but I have this kit and would like to use Fruil tracks. I have looked at Historex but I'm a little confused as which are the right ones for this kit. Could someone help me out please and tell me which ones to order 🤔👍 Thanks 🙂👍 I’d try Friul ATL-03......1940-41 40cm tracks...I intend to use a set for my Ausf A Panzer IV 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vytautas Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Data on German III and IV (and vehicles on this tank's chassis) tank tracks, during which period what type of tracks was used. For me, it is a useful thing. I didn't notice any mistakes in this table. Table Vytautas 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vytautas Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Andy J said: So off topic I know but I have this kit and would like to use Fruil tracks. In my opinion, the track links from the box are very good. Once used such, bought separately. There was only one problem - a lot of cleaning And the pins do not need to be glued, they hold well. Vytautas Edited January 23, 2021 by vytautas 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy J Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Just now, vytautas said: In my opinion, the track links from the box are very good. Once used such, bought separately. There was only one problem - a lot of cleaning Vytautas Yes that's not a bad idea i may well use the kit tracks now and spend the fruil cash on another kit I have my eye on 😉👍 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vytautas Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, Andy J said: Yes that's not a bad idea i may well use the kit tracks now and spend the fruil cash on another kit I have my eye on 😉👍 Andy, I save your money, I could be your financial advisor, we would share the profits in half Vytautas 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy J Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Just now, vytautas said: Andy, I save your money, I could be your financial advisor, we would share the profits in half Vytautas 75-25 and you have a deal 😂👍 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M3talpig Posted January 23, 2021 Author Share Posted January 23, 2021 8 minutes ago, Andy J said: Yes that's not a bad idea i may well use the kit tracks now and spend the fruil cash on another kit I have my eye on You should receive a public service award ...for your one man effort to keep all model shops alive in England Wales and Scotland during this time of lockdown............only a shame you couldn't have done what Darryl has and done the same service for all pubs ....................speaking of which ....has anybody heard from Darryl lately ...bit worried for our fella as all that stormin and flooding goin on recently i know he has to pull out the sandbags every now and then.......................... @Jasper dog hope your ok bud 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vytautas Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Andy J said: 75-25 and you have a deal 😂👍 Deal! 75 for me is enough Vytautas 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy J Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, M3talpig said: You should receive a public service award ...for your one man effort to keep all model shops alive in England Wales and Scotland during this time of lockdown............only a shame you couldn't have done what Darryl has and done the same service for all pubs ....................speaking of which ....has anybody heard from Darryl lately ...bit worried for our fella as all that stormin and flooding goin on recently i know he has to pull out the sandbags every now and then.......................... @Jasper dog hope your ok bud I share your concerns for Darryl Steve and Lee has also been quiet lately hope there both ok 🤔. And I agree Steve i also think some kind of award would be justified 🙂👍 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retired Bob Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 33 minutes ago, vytautas said: In my opinion, the track links from the box are very good. Once used such, bought separately. There was only one problem - a lot of cleaning And the pins do not need to be glued, they hold well. I agree with Vytautas, I bought a couple of sets of those track links to replace rubber band tracks on a couple of Tamiya kits, they made up into nice working tracks without any glue, it was just a lot of effort in cleaning up each link. 19 minutes ago, Andy J said: I share your concerns for Darryl Steve and Lee has also been quiet lately hope there both ok 🤔 It has been quiet lately, Not at all good. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retired Bob Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 3 hours ago, echen said: Looking at all the pics of tracks with full runs ready to be fitted it looks like I'm in for some fun fitting individual link/length tracks in the slot between the tops of the wheels and the overhang of the hull - but that's a way off yet. Is it possible to do what I did with my Tiger build, put the wheels, sprockets and idlers onto the axles without any glue, join up the lower track links and lengths and glue them on, when they are dry slide the assembly off the axles and attach the top run of tracks with glue, the assembly can be slid back on the axles to dry. Then you have tracks and wheels as removeable sets until you are ready to finally attach them. I left the idlers loose so I could paint that area of the track better. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retired Bob Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 5 hours ago, Cerberus said: I think that if someone was to start making Track Pin sets like the ones in those San Xin tracks suitable for all the Fiulmodel track sets, then they would sell lots and lots of them, just a thought 3 hours ago, Redcoat2966 said: Actually you can get just the pins......but very expensive for how many you get...... A word of warning, or at least caution. I saw what I thought was tracks AND pins, the picture was of a Tiger 1 and the price at £23 including p&p seemed reasonable so I clicked buy. I received a small jiffy bag with a smaller plastic box containing two bags of small pins, copper coloured flat headed pins and silver coloured track headed pins, in the photo the 3 x longer pins in the center are spare pins from the San Xin set. The only English letters on the box are KV/IS so unless someone here reads Mandarin, your guess is as good as mine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy J Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 31 minutes ago, Retired Bob said: A word of warning, or at least caution. I saw what I thought was tracks AND pins, the picture was of a Tiger 1 and the price at £23 including p&p seemed reasonable so I clicked buy. I received a small jiffy bag with a smaller plastic box containing two bags of small pins, copper coloured flat headed pins and silver coloured track headed pins, in the photo the 3 x longer pins in the center are spare pins from the San Xin set. The only English letters on the box are KV/IS so unless someone here reads Mandarin, your guess is as good as mine. Loosely translated it says " Vely sirry englisman is think metal twacks him Vely disappointed man " 🙂👍 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M3talpig Posted January 23, 2021 Author Share Posted January 23, 2021 55 minutes ago, Retired Bob said: The only English letters on the box are KV/IS so unless someone here reads Mandarin, your guess is as good as mine. Judging by that the pins are designed for the KV series or IS series Russian heavy tanks........ so if you bought them for a Tiger they didn't even get that right 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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