TonyOD Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 (edited) 20/10/21: the Bunfight-ready edit! Thanks to everyone who has shown an interest in taking part in this GB, and thanks again to @Wez who has kindly offered to co-host. As at today we're healthily over the magic 30 line, and hopefully this will make it through. Voting season is almost upon us! So just to recap... This GB is all about building stuff that is In The Wrong Hands. The ethos of the build is that it is about hardware that is in the possession of somebody other than its original owner, who would much rather have it back, if you don't mind. Possible scenarios include: Hardware captured (and possibly even operated) by the enemy. Hardware interned by neutral powers, who won't give it back. Hardware passed on to enemy powers by third parties who came by it by whatever means. Hardware sold by one country to another, who then used it against the seller. Other scenarios considered, but you get the idea! If you've already completed builds that happen to be in the spirit of this proposed GB, please feel free to post pictures on this thread to inspire and delight! Thanks to the following for expressing interest: 1. @vppelt68 2. @Robert Stuart 3. @Corsairfoxfouruncle 4. @Ratch 5. @Tim R-T-C 6. @Marklo 7. @Prenton 8. @jackroadkill 9. @zebra 10. @dnl42 11. @Rafwaffe 12. @Avereda 13. @TonyOD (host) 14. @CliffB 15. @Wez (co-host) 16. @Johnson 17. @Jabba 18. @alt-92 19. @Brad 20. @Beazer 21. @klr 22. @Red Dog 23. @Fifer54 24. @Cuppa_joe 25. @Black Knight 26. @Toryu 27. @badger 28. @TEMPESTMK5 29. @exdraken 30. BOOM! @modelling minion 31. @81-er 32: @Bertie Psmith 33. @Prenton 34. @ModelingEdmontonian 35. @neil5208 36. @Richard Tucker 37. @arfa1983 38. @Angus Tura 39. @Mukund SB 40. your name here... Edited November 14, 2021 by TonyOD 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Stuart Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 With over a thousand post, you think you're new? Or is it just the group build area, in which case welcome. Great idea for a Group Build - lots of ground stuff was pressed into use by the opposition. I rather fancy having a go at Cuckoo, a captured Panther used by the Guards division. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyOD Posted December 13, 2020 Author Share Posted December 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Robert Stuart said: With over a thousand post, you think you're new? Or is it just the group build area, in which case welcome. Great idea for a Group Build - lots of ground stuff was pressed into use by the opposition. I rather fancy having a go at Cuckoo, a captured Panther used by the Guards division. Great! Can I put you on my list of two so far? 😁 (1000+ posts but I only signed up in the summer... I still feel very much the imposter with all the amazing stuff I see getting built on BM!) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Stuart Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 Just now, TonyOD said: Great! Can I put you on my list of two so far? Please do 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 (edited) Yes please.. There are several aircraft Id like to do. Luftwaffe captured allied aircraft, a Japanese Tony in USMC markings, and British/US operating Luftwaffe aircraft as hacks. Would this include neutral countries operating aircraft interned there ? Spain, Portugal, Switzerland, and Sweden all did this ? Edited December 13, 2020 by Corsairfoxfouruncle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratch Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 I have a few 1426 Enemy Aircraft Flight subjects to build. Let's hope this sees the light of day before I complete them all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim R-T-C Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 I'd certainly be game for this one. I've got several aircraft with RAE marking options (maybe enough to make the 1945 open day as a diorama?) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyOD Posted December 15, 2020 Author Share Posted December 15, 2020 On 12/13/2020 at 9:52 PM, Corsairfoxfouruncle said: Would this include neutral countries operating aircraft interned there ? Spain, Portugal, Switzerland, and Sweden all did this ? Now that's a good question. Like I said I'm no aviation historian and wasn't aware of this kind of scenario. I feel that "captured" and "interned" amount to the same thing - they're being used by armed forces not explicitly allied to the country that the hardware actually belonged to. The overarching theme could be that it's not an "in foreign service" scenario where the hardware has been willingly passed to an ally (e.g. lend-lease), but where it has effectively been nicked and the original owner would prefer to have it back. Thanks for raising this Dennis. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyOD Posted December 15, 2020 Author Share Posted December 15, 2020 With a view to raising interest in the subject of captured hardware (and to learn a bit more about a subject that I find really interesting), not to mention maybe getting a few more names on the list, from time to time I'm going to stick an example on this thread. Any interesting additions would be more than welcome! Here's a Messerchmitt Bf 109G2 that was captured by the Soviets in late 1942 and tested near Stalingrad in January 1943. Source (with some interesting info about the trials): https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/523-soviet-trials-of-bf-109g-2-g-4/ This aircraft (and a couple of other captured 109s) can be built OOB with a kit from AZ Model. https://www.scalemates.com/kits/az-model-az7496-messerschmitt-bf-109g2--654378 Cheers! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marklo Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 Always a good topic. Several kits that could be done. Count me in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prenton Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 Yes indeed - add me in too, please. (I will probably do one of the Zirkus Rosarius captured allied aircraft) Philip 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackroadkill Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 Yeah, go on then. It's an itch I'd like to scratch a bit more deeply than I have in the past. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zebra Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Very interesting proposal - count me in. No idea what I'd build, will have to give it some thought. Perhaps an F-5 or A-37 operated by the VPAF after the end of the Vietnam War. A few other thoughts - would any of these count: There have been various MiGs operated by the USAF that were obtained from various sources, also how about the Iraqi AF aircraft that were taken to Iran during the first Gulf War and taken over by the IRIAF? And how about East German aircraft that were taken over by the Luftwaffe after Germany was reunified? Some of these might be better described as "obtained" rather than "captured" but as they're all examples of aircraft that have been operated by their "enemy", are they in the spirit of the GB proposal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dnl42 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 I have a Bf-109 and markings for 318 Sqn. in Italy. @zebra asks a question that would also additional kits and markings I have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafwaffe Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 This group build has called to me... count me in please! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyOD Posted December 17, 2020 Author Share Posted December 17, 2020 8 hours ago, zebra said: A few other thoughts - would any of these count: There have been various MiGs operated by the USAF that were obtained from various sources, also how about the Iraqi AF aircraft that were taken to Iran during the first Gulf War and taken over by the IRIAF? And how about East German aircraft that were taken over by the Luftwaffe after Germany was reunified? Some of these might be better described as "obtained" rather than "captured" but as they're all examples of aircraft that have been operated by their "enemy", are they in the spirit of the GB proposal? They all sound very eligible, indeed this adds an interesting slant. Very much in the spirit of the GB, i.e. it is hardware "in the wrong hands". Maybe this could be the name of the GB to cover all bases, thought hopefully it's not vague enough to affect its chances if it made it to next year's bunfight? 4 hours ago, Rafwaffe said: This group build has called to me... If there was ever a GB with your name on it... 😁 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avereda Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Count me in, I love a captured aircraft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helios16v Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 13 hours ago, zebra said: A few other thoughts - would any of these count: There have been various MiGs operated by the USAF that were obtained from various sources, also how about the Iraqi AF aircraft that were taken to Iran during the first Gulf War and taken over by the IRIAF? And how about East German aircraft that were taken over by the Luftwaffe after Germany was reunified? Some of these might be better described as "obtained" rather than "captured" but as they're all examples of aircraft that have been operated by their "enemy", are they in the spirit of the GB proposal? I'd love to do a Constant Peg MiG one of these days. I read an excellent book a couple years ago about the 4477th Red Eagles squadron. I've yet to find dedicated decals for them, so it would likely take a bit of piecemealing together to accomplish. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyOD Posted December 17, 2020 Author Share Posted December 17, 2020 18 minutes ago, helios16v said: I'd love to do a Constant Peg MiG one of these days. This meant absolutely nothing to me so I genned up on Wikipedia. That would be an really interesting subject and a fantastic addition to the build. Let me know if you're in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zebra Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 22 minutes ago, helios16v said: I'd love to do a Constant Peg MiG one of these days. I read an excellent book a couple years ago about the 4477th Red Eagles squadron. I've yet to find dedicated decals for them, so it would likely take a bit of piecemealing together to accomplish. There doesn't seem to be much out there but I'm aware of a couple of decal sheets: There's a MiG-21 on this Begemot sheet and Wolfpak did a MiG-21 and MiG-23 on this sheet. What was the book you read? Sounds interesting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyOD Posted December 17, 2020 Author Share Posted December 17, 2020 (edited) I've changed the name of the GB proposal to In The Wrong Hands. See my (edited) original post for details. I think it captures the spirit of the GB and covers the various circumstances of kit operated by people who shouldn't really have got their hands on it, without being too vague and losing its identity in the GB proposal mix. 😁 Edited December 17, 2020 by TonyOD 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vppelt68 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 This has started to interest me! Very quickly two options come to my mind: The simple one, the sole P-40 captured from the Soviets and used by the Finns The one, an American bomber force landed and interned, but not used by the Swedes or the Swiss. Would that be eligible without flying under a new flag? V-P 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyOD Posted December 17, 2020 Author Share Posted December 17, 2020 28 minutes ago, vppelt68 said: The one, an American bomber force landed and interned, but not used by the Swedes or the Swiss. Would that be eligible without flying under a new flag? Sounds like an interesting story, care to share? 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vppelt68 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 21 minutes ago, TonyOD said: Sounds like an interesting story, care to share? 😁 This is the most interesting one, I believe, but not The B-17 I would build a model of: https://www.historynet.com/baby-comes-back-a-b-17g-lands-in-sweden.htm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyOD Posted December 17, 2020 Author Share Posted December 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, vppelt68 said: This is the most interesting one, I believe, but not The B-17 I would build a model of: https://www.historynet.com/baby-comes-back-a-b-17g-lands-in-sweden.htm Fascinating story, and it would certainly satisfy the "can we have our ball back please" spirit of the build! Big yes! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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