perdu Posted July 23, 2021 Author Share Posted July 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Fritag said: Just found them wheels fully formed in the spares box then Bill? Don’t think so………. (Ditto for other multi-various sub assemblies of choice…) I wish, but... (Have you looked in to the Horse drawn hearse being built nearby to this thread, that is what I ought to be considering. I wonder how.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted July 23, 2021 Author Share Posted July 23, 2021 Toolmaking. Two workshop essentials combine to give me a construction jig for the seat slats. Pencil lines applied with an engineers square give me datum marks when needed, more seating is coming... Pass me that bottle. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted July 23, 2021 Author Share Posted July 23, 2021 Monkey learning to use tool I can use the pencil lines on the veteran (or is it vintage) Bud opener but I do need to find a way to use the tool to lay the slats from the same point. Doh! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted July 26, 2021 Author Share Posted July 26, 2021 Do it by eye, do it early in the day and you get. Three offside seats done, ready to fettle for fit. First of four nearside seats under weigh, done by eye with untired eyes, phew. The unclamped end sits 'floating' below the slat ends on the cunningly designed jig, this seat will be given its pair of back panels before I whip it out of the jig to begin number five of seven. Blimey I wish It was being assimilated/assemblated for me by a borg bird, maybe not. Coming on, at the moment I am trying to calculate how much would really have been Blue and Cream and which bits might have been yellow. Photographs are open to interpretation on the point but differing colours are really obvious on some pictures. OK research continues... 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted July 26, 2021 Author Share Posted July 26, 2021 This is a bus in the livery I am aiming for, the dark colour is probably/possibly the indigo/cobalt dark blue I intend using and I have no doubt the lightest band of colour is an early interpretation of Brum Cream. What is giving me pause is the other light but not as light as cream colour that forms the upper frames and from the look of it, the undercarriage too I cannot see it as beige, back then, beigification of everything doesn't seem to be something a Victorian Council, proud of its fleets would go in for. The London fleets of the time seem to have used yellow on the underframes and I thing this is where I will be going with paint unless you folks can give me a second think at it all This looks like cream with yellow too. Thoughts kind folks please? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendie Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 19 hours ago, perdu said: Brum Cream that sounds suspiciously like a horrible euphemism for something I daren't even think about Meticulous work there as always Bill 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomoshenko Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 Just caught up Bill. Proper bostin' workmanship. Seats look superb, even if they are a tad monotonous to build. I don't think 22nd century cybernetic organisms would be particularly interested in assimilating 19th century Brummie bus seats (19th century Brummies perhaps) - fortunately we never found out. Reference the interior colours, I know the Airfix colour for the B Type omnibus is cream for some of the interior (Humbrol 103) which is circa 1910. Yep I know it is for the London transport livery but I don't think it is too much of a leap of faith to assume that cream colour shades could have been adopted by many transport companies up and down the country for parts of the interior (ceilings) and exteriors? They wouldn't have had the vast range of colours the PTEs had obviously. I think Brum Cream is certainly plausible. Perhaps a call to Farrow & Ball and recommend it as an addition to their heritage range. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted July 29, 2021 Author Share Posted July 29, 2021 A coat of Humbrol BR Cream on the wheels to act as a discloser Ooer missus isnt there a lot to do Oh well it does point me at problem already, one of the twelve spokers does show a gap in the spoke And lots of thinning and trimming needed too, that'll keep me off the streets. The upstairs seating is all but done so there will be paint soon. Chocolate or Brum Blue? 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 58 minutes ago, perdu said: Chocolate or Brum Blue? Of course I know nothing of such things in a factual way, but I imagine the seats might look right painted Chocolate? Terry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted July 29, 2021 Author Share Posted July 29, 2021 I think so too Terry, the downstairs seating is chocolate, can't imagine they would go for a different look upstairs. But I am always open to well reasoned consideration. Cheers mate. I think Brum tram seats were brown too, casting my mind back nearly seventy years... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted July 30, 2021 Author Share Posted July 30, 2021 Tidied up a bit Now to work on all seven, yes all seven seats to make them sit level I may be some time... 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spadgent Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 Loving the wheels Bill but those benches are something else. 🙌🙌🙌 Johnny 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 5 hours ago, The Spadgent said: Loving the wheels Bill but those benches are something else. 🙌🙌🙌 Johnny Agreed 100%! Ciao 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Aris Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 (edited) some stunning work here, i have just ordered a set of 1/20 plans for an omnibus, that i want to take to 1/10, i may just steal your running gear LOL Edited August 2, 2021 by Kevin Aris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted August 2, 2021 Author Share Posted August 2, 2021 Glad you like it, you have just ordered JT's plans I will be following yours too. The whole public transport 'thing' does it for me, expect I'll scratch a horse tram next. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Aris Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 im finding my long term builds, just are that, long term, but the more i try something else, the more i enjoy them and worry i wont go back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Aris Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 1 hour ago, perdu said: Glad you like it, you have just ordered JT's plans I will be following yours too. The whole public transport 'thing' does it for me, expect I'll scratch a horse tram next. where do you get your JT plans from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted August 2, 2021 Author Share Posted August 2, 2021 4 hours ago, Kevin Aris said: where do you get your JT plans from I got the plans I have from The Model Wheelwright, which I had to adapt (as this was entered as a whim) and since the scale I used is 'un-modelwheelwright-ish' I expected difficulty getting the plans but the team sent me them after just an enquiry, brilliant service. I do think I may have to draw my own for the tram though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Aris Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 (edited) i sent of for this, no idea what its going to be like, will let you know, if nothing else it will give me a rough idea of size Shop Horse Bus Plan 1/20th Scale | Hobby.uk.com Hobbys sent of for a few of their plans and handbooks as well Edited August 2, 2021 by Kevin Aris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted August 3, 2021 Author Share Posted August 3, 2021 I finished tidying the wheels and considering this picture I have given the forecarriage (?) bits a gentle coat of BR Cream The darker light colour looks as if it could actually be this shade (or hue?) so I think I will be giving the entire body a coat too and then use the Birmingham livery cream to highlight the bus along the middle body stripe, as above The top rail above the windows looks to be Birmingham Blue like the side and end panels. With the body all pretty in cream I am considering using coloured decal sheets to allow the lighter colour to predominate like on the B&W photo above, I will have to print the name of the owners in the golden hues of impossibleness. I suppose I am going to need the same technique for the adverts that run up the stair panel too. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendie Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 that is looking lovely Bill. I love the cream color, but for me, the undercarriage is the wow factor 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted August 5, 2021 Author Share Posted August 5, 2021 Work on the undercarriage, wheels are tyred at last. I expect Vallejo Steel will stand-in for iron, laters huh? 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandy Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 That last pic really shows off the excellent work on the front chassis. Ian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spadgent Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 On 05/08/2021 at 15:47, perdu said: 😲😲😲😲😲😲😲 🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤 says it all really. 🤩 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 That front chassis looks the biz Bill. Im loving the colour. Terry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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