Tony G Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Anthony in NZ said: Thanks for that, my approval came through for the British Phantom Aviation Group (BPAG) Facebook group. Looks like a Great place! Thanks for the heads up! Glad it was of use This face book group has some interesting bits https://www.facebook.com/groups/215551215532252/search/?q=phantom And this guy even did a RAT (ram air turbine) https://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Fea1/501-600/Fea541-F-4-Greutert/00.shtm Edited July 2, 2021 by Tony G detail added 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony in NZ Posted July 5, 2021 Author Share Posted July 5, 2021 On 7/2/2021 at 9:34 PM, Tony G said: Glad it was of use This face book group has some interesting bits https://www.facebook.com/groups/215551215532252/search/?q=phantom And this guy even did a RAT (ram air turbine) https://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Fea1/501-600/Fea541-F-4-Greutert/00.shtm You're a great help buddy thank you! Still plugging away on the surface details on the starboard center section when I got a nice surprise in the mail today... These are the clear cast parts to @Ali62 revised canopy set (there is also a bag of internal framework and sills etc)for the Tamiya Phantom. All I can say is WOW! These are beautiful and if you have a Tamiya Phantom in your stash, then you NEED one of these. Especially thanks to Rick Godden for sending me 2 sets. Thank you sir! I hope I only need the one LOL Right-O back to scribing and riveting..... Cheers Anthony 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJP Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 A lot of hard work Anthony but looking superb! CJP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony G Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Love the canopies, the rivet detail and even the lines for the canopy sealant. Looks like fun masking them up. But given your attention to detail I am sure it will look amazing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbadge Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 The canopy sections look lovely Anthony. Will really add to your excellent model. Chris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony in NZ Posted July 5, 2021 Author Share Posted July 5, 2021 10 hours ago, CJP said: A lot of hard work Anthony but looking superb! CJP Thank you sir...I will be back at the Skyhawk hopefully after this... 7 hours ago, Tony G said: Love the canopies, the rivet detail and even the lines for the canopy sealant. Looks like fun masking them up. But given your attention to detail I am sure it will look amazing Yep, they sure are beautiful indeed. better make sure I do a good job of the cockpit..... 1 hour ago, bigbadbadge said: The canopy sections look lovely Anthony. Will really add to your excellent model. Chris Thanks Chris, Ali really did a superb job and is a 'must have' in my opinion All final finishing is done on the reheat cans and I am happy to say they are a close to perfect and accurate as we can get them. Still another 'tweak on the 'ramps' but we're getting close Inside The cans tuck up in the back like this Photo Credit @Julien (Walkaround Coordinator), thanks for your great walkaround here on BM! Here's mine, sitting a touch low still Should be closer to this, but easy to fix, a touch more sanding along the top of the opening should tuck it in closer to this, this is a tiny bit high I think, but just placed in here to illustrate And a slightly different angle. Important to note that there is still a titanium edging to go around the edge of the airframe, slightly overlapping the edge of the can. This will fill the gap between the 2 parts and tidy it all up. This illustrates how I still have to 'tuck' that engine up about another 1mm Oh well, back to surface details, this was a nice diversion Cheers Anthony 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony G Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Thats a good picture of the jetpipe cans you can see the real colouring many models I have seen make them to silver when they really have cadium type colour tinge to them. The shingles in the jetpipe look really authentic. At least you will not get filthy crawling up there 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 Just a point but those cans are on an airframe with no engines in, just the cans so I cant claim the realones looked like that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark.au Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 This level of attention to detail and determination to get it exactly right is inspiring. While I have been known to be fairly obsessive in replicating markings and weathering, it doesn't your approach yours. Having caught up a month's worth of posts I'm slumped back in my chair, a small dribble creeping down from the corner of my slack-jawed open mouth. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony in NZ Posted July 6, 2021 Author Share Posted July 6, 2021 22 hours ago, Tony G said: Thats a good picture of the jetpipe cans you can see the real colouring many models I have seen make them to silver when they really have cadium type colour tinge to them. The shingles in the jetpipe look really authentic. At least you will not get filthy crawling up there LOL, you wouldnt want to crawl up there very often I am sure! 9 hours ago, Julien said: Just a point but those cans are on an airframe with no engines in, just the cans so I cant claim the realones looked like that. Thanks Julien and thanks for such a great walkaround, you have been an enormous help! Derek mentioned the same as you on LSP....I am on it now! 9 hours ago, mark.au said: This level of attention to detail and determination to get it exactly right is inspiring. While I have been known to be fairly obsessive in replicating markings and weathering, it doesn't your approach yours. Having caught up a month's worth of posts I'm slumped back in my chair, a small dribble creeping down from the corner of my slack-jawed open mouth. Mark, your stuff is awesome mate and I really appreciate feedback like that coming from you....there a fair bit to go though Cheers and thanks again for your valuable input, its much appreciated 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbadge Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 I can't get over how intricate those cans are. They look so nice and your efforts to get them to sit exactly right is inspiring fella. Great job Chris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony in NZ Posted July 24, 2021 Author Share Posted July 24, 2021 Thanks as always Chris! Well i have to admit to a bit of burnout here. Correcting and replacing surface details on this right hand side is mind numbing and hard to motivate myself to carry on with all those rivets! Anyhow I have still done a little bit each night and the various builds here have been hugely inspiring, thanks guys. I put my head down today and tidied up some more areas at the back end where the resin and plastic join (from where I earlier cut the conversion fuselage into 3 sections). only a couple of panel lines to do now and continue working on adding the fasteners. Then I can do the rivets. I will leave the best part of this post until the end as it's the main reason to update you all because I dont really have a lot to show from spending hours on the surface detailing. Here are some results of all my fine tuning, see nothing really looks different, but I really hope it pays dividends with the final result Then as a bit of a side track for me was to take a look at the lower nose profile and how I was going to fix it. I added some thick plasti card to the front, more on this later) and removed a couple of antennas that are not present on Brit Tooms. A suitable section of the original Tamiya fuselage section was cut out of the back for the Aux air doors in the back. Still yet to add some surface details before I make them too thin and add a bit of internal structure Anyway the big news and main reason to post is this....... Kerry said, well I made a 'Hot' section, I may as well make a 'cold' section!!! Isnt he awesome! He said to me that the NZ IPMS Nats are coming up on 8-10 Oct in Auckland where he lives, so I am going to see if I can finish this beast up to take up there. I will do my best and it gives me a target! I probably wont enter it as I have let my membership slip for quite a few years and I am not into competitions or placing anymore (I used to judge them as well) but happy to bring it up to display if nothing else Thanks for looking all, and until I have more to show.... Cheers Anthony 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbadge Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 Hope this Target date and those lovely intake fans/blades helps raise the flagging Mojo levels. You may think it may not look much to you, but it is great to see areas such as the intake shoulder and the curve around the can receiving attention and a general step nearer to the ultimate British Phantom fella. Great work. Chris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony G Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 (edited) Is there no end to your talents. The ECU guide vanes and nose cap are just as I remember them, You can almost hear the compressor singing as the blades windmill in the wind. Well done. I was going to join the Phantom group build in August if I can produce half the quality you are achieving I would be made up. Edited July 24, 2021 by Tony G 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan P Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 Wow. The engine faces are stunningly good. Make sure you get plenty of pictures before you imprison them away in the fuselage! Alan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k5054nz Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 I know all about burnout from focusing on a single large-scale project, so I won't try and push you! But the Nats sounds like a great goal and, to my untrained eye, a doable one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony in NZ Posted July 25, 2021 Author Share Posted July 25, 2021 On 7/24/2021 at 8:25 PM, bigbadbadge said: Hope this Target date and those lovely intake fans/blades helps raise the flagging Mojo levels. You may think it may not look much to you, but it is great to see areas such as the intake shoulder and the curve around the can receiving attention and a general step nearer to the ultimate British Phantom fella. Great work. Chris Yes mate, slow but steady, I am getting there. I was talking to Kerry last night and he asked if I had most of the hard work done with the conversion. After seeing his fan section I replied 'Yes!' It is really just a matter of refining the surface details until I am satisfied and then it will be like building any other Phantom kit...right?? On 7/24/2021 at 9:10 PM, Tony G said: Is there no end to your talents. The ECU guide vanes and nose cap are just as I remember them, You can almost hear the compressor singing as the blades windmill in the wind. Well done. I was going to join the Phantom group build in August if I can produce half the quality you are achieving I would be made up. Well I cant take the credit for the front section. But because of your descriptive memory, this pic is for you! First test print 17 hours ago, Alan P said: Wow. The engine faces are stunningly good. Make sure you get plenty of pictures before you imprison them away in the fuselage! Alan Here you Go Alan...goodness knows how I am going to paint them... 5 hours ago, k5054nz said: I know all about burnout from focusing on a single large-scale project, so I won't try and push you! But the Nats sounds like a great goal and, to my untrained eye, a doable one. Thanks mate, I like the idea of having a target date too. Hoping this will motivate me to stay awak until the wee small hours of the morning trying to finish it! And this is just a quick pic to show the blending of the Tamiya Kit section and the WH conversion as well as correcting the panel lines. Once I have stopped being so fussy on this area I can rivet it. Then onto the cockpit...did I mention I hate doing cockpits? Thanks again gents, your likes and comments mean the world to me!!!!! Cheers Anthony 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan P Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 All the hard work has really paid off. Looking forward to the cockpit work - did I mention it's my favourite part of the build 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony in NZ Posted July 25, 2021 Author Share Posted July 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Alan P said: All the hard work has really paid off. Looking forward to the cockpit work - did I mention it's my favourite part of the build Oh funny guy eh? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbadge Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Excellent work and seemless too, just gets better and better Anthony, just got to grit your teeth and get the highly detailed cockpit done now, then you will be over the hump and hopefully on easier ground. Chris 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony G Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 I was looking at my kit before I start and I noticed that the rear ECU tail heat shield is missing the detail for the fire wire by the cans and the radius to upper fuselage heat shield is hard corner. I don’t know if this of interest to you. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antti_K Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 Hello Anthony, you are doing a very nice progress there! Don't worry about the cockpits, as you can create very convincing "offices" out of the kit parts, with some scratch building and with careful painting. The Tamiya parts have some problems with the measurements. For example the pilot's IP is too narrow (I had to use 1/48 scale instrument decals from Airscale to make them fit). Replace the bang seats with resin ones as the kit parts are far too simplified. Here's my cockpit with some scratch building, new instrument decals and resin seats. The seats were modified to navy versions (this is an F-4J); note the bright green lanyards (or pull-rings) for emergency oxygen and the drab coloured PECs just left of the seat pans. The pilot's cockpit looks like this with aftermarket instrument decals and some scratch building (like the landing gear and hook levers). You can also see the ZCY primer on the floor. Yellow is right for the pilot's cockpit but I've seen photos showing dark red primer for the nav's cockpit floor. Hopefully someone can give more information about that. The side panels aren't a good match with any version. They are closest to those of an F-4C. It's great that you got new canopies for your Phantom! They will spare a lot of time for you. Be careful not to "over-tint" the wind shield. They never were "bright green" but colourless. As the wind shield is made of laminated glass (some 50+ millimeters thick) it looks blueish at certain angles. I used a small droplet of Humbrol 15 mixed with a fair amount of clear lacquer. Those compressor blades look fantastic... I think Kerry should receive knighthood for the parts he has created. Keep up the good work! Cheers, Antti 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony G Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Antti_K said: Hello Anthony, you are doing a very nice progress there! Don't worry about the cockpits, as you can create very convincing "offices" out of the kit parts, with some scratch building and with careful painting. The Tamiya parts have some problems with the measurements. For example the pilot's IP is too narrow (I had to use 1/48 scale instrument decals from Airscale to make them fit). Replace the bang seats with resin ones as the kit parts are far too simplified. Here's my cockpit with some scratch building, new instrument decals and resin seats. The seats were modified to navy versions (this is an F-4J); note the bright green lanyards (or pull-rings) for emergency oxygen and the drab coloured PECs just left of the seat pans. The pilot's cockpit looks like this with aftermarket instrument decals and some scratch building (like the landing gear and hook levers). You can also see the ZCY primer on the floor. Yellow is right for the pilot's cockpit but I've seen photos showing dark red primer for the nav's cockpit floor. Hopefully someone can give more information about that. The side panels aren't a good match with any version. They are closest to those of an F-4C. It's great that you got new canopies for your Phantom! They will spare a lot of time for you. Be careful not to "over-tint" the wind shield. They never were "bright green" but colourless. As the wind shield is made of laminated glass (some 50+ millimeters thick) it looks blueish at certain angles. I used a small droplet of Humbrol 15 mixed with a fair amount of clear lacquer. Those compressor blades look fantastic... I think Kerry should receive knighthood for the parts he has created. Keep up the good work! Cheers, Antti To the best of my knowledge the primer that was used in RN phantoms was only yellow chromate primer. And the cockpit floor foot plate area was painted with dark sea grey non-skid paint (which did wear away to expose areas of primer). I don’t if know if it is of interest (excellent cockpit by the way) but the left pilot manual canopy unlock lever is not yellow and black it is grey and black and the underside and lower front edge of the deck hook is clear with white light. This is not meant to criticise the wonderful job you have done, it’s just for info. I just hope I can do half as well Edited August 6, 2021 by Tony G 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antti_K Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 Excellent info Tony G, so thank you for the comments🙂 I haven't noticed that white part on the hook lever. It's now very clear. Something to do on my next (hopefully HK Models' 1/32 scale FG.1) Phantom. I got the colours for the canopy release levers from old USN close-up photos. So another detail to note on my next British Phantom. The dark red primer was visible probably on the FGR.2 at Duxford. It was indeed the floor board, not the cockpit floor. Cheers, Antti 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony in NZ Posted August 7, 2021 Author Share Posted August 7, 2021 On 8/6/2021 at 12:24 AM, Tony G said: I was looking at my kit before I start and I noticed that the rear ECU tail heat shield is missing the detail for the fire wire by the cans and the radius to upper fuselage heat shield is hard corner. I don’t know if this of interest to you. Hi Tony Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us all. Yes I was aware of those details around the cans, one of the many things yet to address. Once I get the lower wing on I can sort those things out as there is a bit of work yet to do in this area. There is a lip that the cans sit slightly behind that I need to make as well. 23 hours ago, Antti_K said: Hello Anthony, you are doing a very nice progress there! Don't worry about the cockpits, as you can create very convincing "offices" out of the kit parts, with some scratch building and with careful painting. The Tamiya parts have some problems with the measurements. For example the pilot's IP is too narrow (I had to use 1/48 scale instrument decals from Airscale to make them fit). Replace the bang seats with resin ones as the kit parts are far too simplified. Here's my cockpit with some scratch building, new instrument decals and resin seats. The seats were modified to navy versions (this is an F-4J); note the bright green lanyards (or pull-rings) for emergency oxygen and the drab coloured PECs just left of the seat pans. The pilot's cockpit looks like this with aftermarket instrument decals and some scratch building (like the landing gear and hook levers). You can also see the ZCY primer on the floor. Yellow is right for the pilot's cockpit but I've seen photos showing dark red primer for the nav's cockpit floor. Hopefully someone can give more information about that. The side panels aren't a good match with any version. They are closest to those of an F-4C. It's great that you got new canopies for your Phantom! They will spare a lot of time for you. Be careful not to "over-tint" the wind shield. They never were "bright green" but colourless. As the wind shield is made of laminated glass (some 50+ millimeters thick) it looks blueish at certain angles. I used a small droplet of Humbrol 15 mixed with a fair amount of clear lacquer. Those compressor blades look fantastic... I think Kerry should receive knighthood for the parts he has created. Keep up the good work! Cheers, Antti Thanks for the inspiration Antti!! LOVE your cockpit and notes! 19 hours ago, Tony G said: To the best of my knowledge the primer that was used in RN phantoms was only yellow chromate primer. And the cockpit floor foot plate area was painted with dark sea grey non-skid paint (which did wear away to expose areas of primer). I don’t if know if it is of interest (excellent cockpit by the way) but the left pilot manual canopy unlock lever is not yellow and black it is grey and black and the underside and lower front edge of the deck hook is clear with white light. This is not meant to criticise the wonderful job you have done, it’s just for info. I just hope I can do half as well Tony, thanks again mate, this is the sort of stuff I need to know! Cheers guys, update on its way soon Anthony 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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