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1 hour ago, Dennis_C said:

On Javelin rumours - I would expect that some weird kitmaker releases it - like ClearProp or maximum MPM/SH (they did Vampire family and Meteor family now). Airfix will not do it. Swift was a one-off deviation from norm. 

 

Sword would be my favourite for any new Javelin kit, given their previous record on the Lightning and Harrier.

I think the most compelling reason for Airfix not doing a new tool 1:72 Javelin is that they already have tooling for a 1:72 Javelin. Which wasn't the case for the Swift.

 

   Jonathan.

 

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Airifx also had a 1/72 Buccaneer and this didn't prevent them from issuing a brand new tool. Actually the previous Buccaneer was one of the first kit reissued under the Hornby management.

And this brings the matter again at the same point I made before: Airfix has had Buccaneers and Javelins and plenty other subjects in their catalogue. They know how well these have sold and from checking the sales history of these and other similar subjects they can get a good understanding of how well or not a new subject is going to sell. With the Buccaneer they likely saw the numbers of the old tool and decided that at that point a new mould would have been profitable. Same for say the Vulcan, that evidently has been a constant seller over the years and will now be replaced. With other subjects they likely decided that it was not worth issuing a new kit or with some existing kits otherwise  they may have decided that the existing kit was still a good enough seller to postpone any replacement.

Companies like Sword in this respect have the advantage that their sale numbers can be much lower, reason why they have offered many aircraft types of the 50s that the "big ones" have not considered. Something like a Javelin would fit perfectly in their business model and to be honest considering the quality they are now achieving I'd be very happy with a Javelin from Sword or Special Hobby.

 

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The Airfix Javelin was a fine kit (and I am old enough to remember getting excited about buying the Frog Javelin {in a horrible blue plastic iirc}).

However I think the mould was converted to the T.3 for the Heller release. As this needed major changes to the nose, for the American radar, it meant that Airfix could never reissue the FAW.9

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55 minutes ago, iainpeden said:

I think the mould was converted to the T.3 for the Heller release.

That tooling was originally produced by Heller as a T.3. Airfix released a T.3 themselves, followed by an FAW.9/9R.

https://www.scalemates.com/kits/heller-346-gloster-javelin-t3--137697

The FAW.9 required changes to the nose and canopy, the addition of underwing pylons, Firestreak missiles and drop tanks and the IFR probe, the addition of a third row of vortex generators on the outer wing upper surface and the replacement of the pen-nib fairing around the engine exhausts with the reheat nozzles.

I'm not sure if those changes were easily reversable, but I suspect not (at least, not all of them). I also don't know if the tooling stayed with Airfix, or went back to Heller. But assuming it still exists, I would assume it is still available to Airfix if they wanted to re-issue it.

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On 11/22/2020 at 3:08 PM, Work In Progress said:

Quite likely someone who is not longer in a position to make such decisions

 

On 11/22/2020 at 5:24 PM, Des said:

 Regarding the Swift I seem to recall talk about there having been some damage caused to the moulds during the production run which limited availability and therefore sales of the kit , as a subject it would seem neither more nor less obscure than some other Airfix postwar British aircraft although if my recollection about the damage is correct maybe not a subject that would merit doubling the costs and creating a new set of moulds for.

"some damage caused to the moulds"

& "someone who is not longer in a position to make such decisions"

🤔

Are these events related to each other?

Could the meeting of very respect shareholders

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, not seeing profit, 😁simply hit "someone who is not longer in a position to make such decisions"

with a moulds

on Swift, as a result of which we have a

"some damage caused to the moulds"

and a broken  

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"someone who is not longer in a position to make such decisions"!

😉😁

 

By the way, for my part, I did everything possible to save Swift - I bought two Swift!

😎

 

On 11/26/2020 at 1:56 PM, Graham Boak said:

However there has long (tediously long) been a campaign by supporters of the American scale for more 1/48 kits in the UK, sometimes using ill-informed insults such as "modellers use 1/48, 1/72 is for children and beginners".  There are more 1/48 kits available than there used to be, and I suspect that in terms of current production choice the two scales are about even.  But 1/72 wins hands down on variety.  

😁

Don't worry comrade, when modelling 72nd scale communism wins all over the planet, we will send all these agents of world 48 scale imperialism to the modelling GULAG, where we will force them to produce highly detailed aftermarket set (cockpit  interiors, wheel bay) for a scale of 1: 144, from Siberian pine😁, with a hand-held chainsaw!

Do You think the rate of production of 50 sets at 1: 144 per day will be enough to re-educate them from 48th to 72nd scale or should we set 100?

Of course, we will send to the modelling GULAG only on the basis of the decision of a special troika of 72nd scale members of Britmodeller, everything must be legal!

😁😁

 

On 11/20/2020 at 9:59 PM, Neil Lambess said:

... but a new Javelin , Venom and Sea Vixen must be on somebody's lists somewhere

If it were not for the pandemic, then one model from this list we could see on sale this month, but due to uncertainty in sales and local lockdowns, its completion dates are constantly being pushed back.

 

B.R.

Serge

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54 minutes ago, Aardvark said:

If it were not for the pandemic, then one model from this list we could see on sale this month, but due to uncertainty in sales and local lockdowns, its completion dates are constantly being pushed back.

Hi Serge,

very intriguing :) is that what voices from Ukrainian kitmakers world tell you? Mikromir? ClearProp? 🤔

Mikromir is releasing AW.52 in plastic! If that pays-off - Javelin or Venom or Sea Vixen can definitely make them rich!

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Hi, Dennis!

45 minutes ago, Dennis_C said:

Mikromir? ClearProp? 🤔

As far as I know - not, but developments tend to migrate and sometimes the model expected from one firm comes out from another.  This is rare, but it happens, so I will not be categorical in my statements.

49 minutes ago, Dennis_C said:

If that pays-off - Javelin or Venom or Sea Vixen

Sorry, without comments.

49 minutes ago, Dennis_C said:

can definitely make them rich!

I tell them the same thing!

😁😎

 

B.R.

Serge

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4 hours ago, Dave Fleming said:

Swift mould damage was early in production (and delayed the main release for some months). It was fixed (and related to the slide (?) mould section for the upper fuselage

Related to the ejection pins, as I recall. Even after the problem was "fixed" there were kits released with scars from the ejection pins on the upper fuselage. My one example has such defects, but in this case they are not so bad that they can't be easily repaired.

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I'd buy a 1/72 Javelin, but I've a fondness for the 1950s aircraft.

 

WRT the discussion over scales, I'm convinced of the validity of what I call the Rule of 250 - that a model must fit onto a rectangle of 250 square inches.  About 16" x 16".  Smaller is a bit better.  This means that 1/48 is good for Second World War single-engine airplanes and twins, and for first and second generation jet fighters.  Once you get to the third generation jets (Phantoms and such), 1/48 is too big.  There's no place to PUT the model.

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